Skating men in tights....

[SmallFairy]

After posting in the M/D thread I started to wonder when the "no tights on male figure skaters"-rule was instated? Artur Dmitriev wore tights both for Don Quixote and for Rach at Lillehammer 1994, and I had no objections Do the ISU wants to stop male skaters from looking to much like ballet dancers, as it's a sport? I feel the rule is kind of crap now that woman are allowed to wear pants, and so also tights, but men aren't? Sexist, much? I can't really see it becoming a big problem either, as I can't imagine a collected bunch of the skating men running out buying tights for their new programs. Some will, but the majority won't. So, what's the deal? We are being robbed!

 

[briancoogaert]

I don't know about this rule (I'm not that much into rules and reglements).
What's the problem with men in tights ?
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001064/f1/1012britten4-v6.jpg

 

[Bellanca]

The small print at the bottom says, exclusion: Javier Fernandez.

 

[chapis]

I have no problem with tights. Yuzuru's pants were practically tights http://imgur.com/a/2exvG

 

[antmanb]

Surely this thread deserves a link to the infamous Vanessa Riley comments? Strictly speaking not about tights, though fadeev's costume was tight

https://youtu.be/D8ECupWBess?t=213

 

[SmallFairy]

I don't know about this rule (I'm not that much into rules and reglements).
What's the problem with men in tights ?
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001064/f1/1012britten4-v6.jpg

Oh, I see no problem with that what so ever
Maybe there isn't a specific thighs rule, just "inappropriate comstumes" like Fadeev? But our commentators have several times spoken about the fact that men aren't allowed to wear tights. @Sylvia ? You're our guru.

Surely this thread deserves a link to the infamous Vanessa Riley comments? Strictly speaking not about tights, though fadeev's costume was tight

https://youtu.be/D8ECupWBess?t=213

Tight and light! That was hilarious, haven't seen it before! Was Mira Leung deducted when her undies were showing. Fadeev was just in those pant

 

[SmallFairy]

Of course this thread needs more Dmitriev in thights, as he didn't only wear them in '94:

Purple tights
Shiny tights
Turquise tights

And of course
Black tights (gosh, I love the leggings too)
White tights

Sasha Zhulin rocked them too!

 

[gkelly]

From the ISU Special Regulations & Technical Rules for Singles & Pair Skating and Ice Dancing:

Rule 501


Clothing

1. At ISU Championships, the Olympic Winter Games and International Competitions, the clothing of the Competitors must be modest, dignified and appropriate for athletic competition – not garish or theatrical in design. Clothing may, however, reflect the character of the music chosen. The clothing must not give the effect of excessive nudity inappropriate for the discipline. Men must wear full length trousers and must not wear tights. In addition, in Ice Dance, Ladies must wear a skirt. Accessories and props are not permitted.

Clothing that does not adhere to these guidelines will be penalized by a deduction (see Rule 353, paragraph 1.n).

For Ice Dance, exceptions to the restrictions may be announced by the IDTC if appropriate to the Rhythms selected for the Short Dance.

2. The decorations on costumes must be non-detachable. Part of the costume or decoration falling on the ice will be penalized by a deduction (see Rule 353, paragraph 1.n).

Hey, I don't make the rules -- I just know where to find them.

 

[chapis]

Of course this thread needs more Dmitriev in thights, as he didn't only wear them in '94:

Purple tights

OMG!! gorgeous picture!!

 

[lala]

Tight and light! That was hilarious, haven't seen it before! Was Mira Leung deducted when her undies were showing. Fadeev was just in those pant

I like it, too!

 

[SmallFairy]

OMG!! gorgeous picture!!

I know! And as much as I'm gushing over Artur, I don't want to take anything away from Natailia, as she was just as good looking - fit, light, powerful, lovely, all at once. And she wore those shiny thighs too, with a skirt added...

 

[SmallFairy]

From the ISU Special Regulations & Technical Rules for Singles & Pair Skating and Ice Dancing:



Hey, I don't make the rules -- I just know where to find them.

Thanks @gkelly But are these the latest set of rules? They say: Men must wear full length trousers and must not wear tights. In addition, in Ice Dance, Ladies must wear a skirt No, not anymore. (but of course, no change for the men....)

Brian Boitano of course looking smashing
Max Aaron pushing dull rules, to our delight

 

[briancoogaert]

Surely this thread deserves a link to the infamous Vanessa Riley comments? Strictly speaking not about tights, though fadeev's costume was tight

https://youtu.be/D8ECupWBess?t=213

OMG ! Very revealing ! And very special ! Impossible for me to wear something like that ! Hahahaaaa

 

[gkelly]

Thanks @gkelly But are these the latest set of rules? They say: Men must wear full length trousers and must not wear tights. In addition, in Ice Dance, Ladies must wear a skirt No, not anymore. (but of course, no change for the men....)

These are the 2016 rules. They do state that there may be exceptions to the restrictions in the short dance depending on each year's rhythms.

I wonder what kind of SD rhythm would prompt them to allow tights for men that year.

 

[briancoogaert]

http://www.gettyimages.fr/detail/ph...games-russian-ice-dancers-picture-id522492456

 

[VGThuy]

Thanks @gkelly But are these the latest set of rules? They say: Men must wear full length trousers and must not wear tights. In addition, in Ice Dance, Ladies must wear a skirt No, not anymore. (but of course, no change for the men....)

Brian Boitano of course looking smashing
Max Aaron pushing dull rules, to our delight

Pairs and singles allow women to wear trousers and tights, but ice dance women still have to wear skirts. I don't get it either.

 

[skateboy]

The rule is silly, tights are not nudity. Nudity is nudity.

Besides, us FS fans got to have us SOME fun...

 

[aftershocks]

The rules, and when the tights restrictions for men were instituted, and how they appear to be enforced or relaxed is all very confusing. At the same time, I thought that last season the rules regarding men not being able to wear sleeveless tops was relaxed. AdaRipp told me at Skate America, that he was in compliance with a rule regarding sleeveless tops for men (despite one of the judges having taken a deduction for his sp costume).

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/gr...-during-the-mens-short-on-picture-id617282530
LOL, the juxtaposition of these pics makes it look like Mariah is aghast at or in awe of AdaRipp

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B42ptsCq...KURwCLcB/s1600/Adam_Rippon3_Fotor_Collage.jpg
A judge seen in the background in this pic is definitely smiling at AdaRipp!

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Team+USA+PyeongChang+2018+Winter+Olympics+_hkopQDUWSFl.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-oE8ZXU0AA2_-d.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-oE8ZUVwAAoKd4.jpg Those look like some pretty tight leggings too

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/ISU+World+Figure+Skating+Championships+2016+KegEx9mVTkox.jpg
AdaRipp in fairly tight trousers and gorgeous see-through top; this costume won awards and dropped jaws
http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/skate+gal012516+06.JPG

Why don't TPTB concentrate more on eliminating antiquated competitive structure rules that are preventing the sport from growing? And just allow the skaters to use their own best judgement. FGS, too many contrary costume rules!

 

[SmallFairy]

These are the 2016 rules. They do state that there may be exceptions to the restrictions in the short dance depending on each year's rhythms.

I wonder what kind of SD rhythm would prompt them to allow tights for men that year.

That rule allowed woman to wear pants for the "hip hop"

Pairs and singles allow women to wear trousers and tights, but ice dance women still have to wear skirts. I don't get it either.

It makes no sense!

 

[SmallFairy]

The rules and when the tights restrictions for men were instituted, and how they appear to be enforced or relaxed is all very confusing. At the same time, I thought that last season the rules regarding men not being able to wear sleeveless tops was relaxed. AdaRipp told me at Skate America, that he was in compliance with the new rule regarding sleeveless tops for men (despite one of the judges having taken a deduction for his sp costume).

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/gr...-during-the-mens-short-on-picture-id617282530
LOL, the juxtaposition of these pics makes it look like Mariah is aghast at or in awe of AdaRipp

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B42ptsCq...KURwCLcB/s1600/Adam_Rippon3_Fotor_Collage.jpg

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Team+USA+PyeongChang+2018+Winter+Olympics+_hkopQDUWSFl.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-oE8ZXU0AA2_-d.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-oE8ZUVwAAoKd4.jpg Those look like some pretty tight leggings too

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/ISU+World+Figure+Skating+Championships+2016+KegEx9mVTkox.jpg
AdaRipp in fairly tight trousers and gorgeous see-through top; this costume won awards and dropped jaws
http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/skate+gal012516+06.JPG

Why don't TPTB concentrate more on eliminating antiquated competitive structure rules that are preventing the sport from growing? And just allow the skaters to use their own best judgement. FGS, too many contrary costume rules!

Adam is golden! Those photos and outfits are

I agree, it's just silly. Especially if no one can come up with a good explanation why those tights aren't allowed. Back to the dark ages.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

And who an forget Michael Brezina's red tights a few seasons back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUh-vlTyLts

 

[aftershocks]

Even Nathan Chen, in this recent SOI performance is wearing what looks like tight leggings/trousers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl0mekE057Q

 

[Bellanca]

You would think they would want to ban sequins, ruffles, feathers, baubles, and beads.

I remember the semi-serious fan push for everyone to wear an all black unitard, just to keep it fair.

 

[screech]

It's amazing what is/isn't banned, no matter the rules. Isn't there also supposed to be a deduction for jewellery? Almost every skater wears bulky pendants around their necks, but never receive deductions.

 

[aftershocks]

... I remember the semi-serious fan push for everyone to wear an all black unitard, just to keep it fair.

But would that even be fair though? Wouldn't some look more fab than others in such attire? Hmmm

 

[UMBS Go Blue]

Not really tights, but there was a lot to see of Andrew Speroff in white pants

http://www.ocregister.com/wp-conten...7291z.120140111225623000g6r1hvecd.1.jpg?w=620

 

[Limonite]

Lol... from the moment I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought of Artur Dmitriev. God, the guy looked GREAT in tights. Mishkutenok & Dmitriev had great programs but watching those where he is in tights? BIG plus for me. Brian Boitano also looked great in tights.

 

[misskarne]

Max Aaron pushing dull rules, to our delight

It was quite fun to see the "Costume Violation: (2 of 10)" keep popping up on his protocols this season and trying to figure out which judges were pressing the button. I bet they're just jealous.

 

[Bellanca]

But would that even be fair though? Wouldn't some look more fab than others in such attire? Hmmm

Exactly! Unitards can be very unforgiving!

It started w/ the suggestion that costumes distract too much and hide or mask inferior, flawed skating. So, the recommendation was, if everyone were to be dressed in the same attire, the emphasis would be back on the skating itself and not be disguised by the window dressing.

It was quite a lively, but not necessarily enlightened discussion. And, of course, there was plenty of and to go around.

Good times!

 

[whiteskates]

IMO skaters should be allowed to wear whatever goes with the music. If they skate to for example ballet music, tights as worn by male ballet dancers should be allowed. I can understand if the ISU objects to too much nudity though and visible underwear is not OK.