Skaters who were significantly more successful as coaches?

[gkelly]

Mitchell and Johansson

Mitchell was 5th and 4th at Worlds. Have any of his students matched that success yet?

 

[bardtoob]

Jutta Müller

She won a singles bronze at East German Nationals and won the female-female pairs competition once.

She became qualified as a coach by studying at a college of physical culture called Deutsche Hochschule für Körperkultur in Saxony.

 

[pearskater]

Misha Ge? Or is that too soon to tell?
Edit- just thought of C. Maurizi too.

 

[Vash01]

How about Tamara Moskvina? She was a successful pairs skater but obviously her record as a pairs coach is maybe unmatched.

Tamara was very successful as a pairs and a singles skater. She was the Russian singles champion, and the first to perform what is now known as the Biellman spin. She was a pairs world silver medalist, with Alexei Mishin. Just because she coached many top pairs does not mean she was not a successful skater. After all her coaching career is a lot longer than her competitive career.

 

[Vash01]

^^^ couldnt remember what they had won (or done) internationally, thats why I prefaced perhaps

I mean now shes coaching a 2 time world Champion and Oly silver champion in Medev. And a 2 time Oly Champion, multi world champion in Hanyu... so thats why brought her up... whatever she won as a skater id say she doing much better as a coach with Orser.

Medvedeva’s world championships and Olympic silver were earned under the tutelage of Eteri Tuberitze. Why should Tracy Wilson get credit for it? Hanyu’s success was primarily due to Orser. I don’t see Tracy as a great coach, but she had a great ice dance career with Rob McCall. They won bronze medals at the 1988 Olympics and 88 worlds. I think they had also won a world silver prior to that. They had a very successful pro career as well.

 

[bardtoob]

They won bronze medals at the 1988 Olympics and 88 worlds. I think they had also won a world silver prior to that. They had a very successful pro career as well.

Tracy Wilson and Rob McCall won three World Bronze, which was no small feat considering the Soviets could have swept every year.

I think Tracy's greatest achievement was sticking by Rob until he eventually died of Aids.

 

[Vash01]

Tracy Wilson and Rob McCall won three World Bronze, which was no small feat considering the Soviets could have swept every year.

I think Tracy's greatest achievement was sticking by Rob until he eventually died of Aids.

It was so sad! I remember a pro competition after Rob’s death. Tracy was one of the judges and Brian Orser skated to ‘I miss my buddy’. In one shot we could see Tracy wiping a tear.

Sorry I am OT.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Medvedeva’s world championships and Olympic silver were earned under the tutelage of Eteri Tuberitze. Why should Tracy Wilson get credit for it? Hanyu’s success was primarily due to Orser. I don’t see Tracy as a great coach, but she had a great ice dance career with Rob McCall. They won bronze medals at the 1988 Olympics and 88 worlds. I think they had also won a world silver prior to that. They had a very successful pro career as well.

Point taken.

(although I did mention twice that "perhaps" not 100% for certainty.)

In her first year Tracy co-coached Medev into making the Russian team and becoming Worlds bronze medalist in less than a year, so I stick to my position on this.

I still say she will be remembered more for Orser's team as a coach than her 80s moments.

I was watching in the 80s and can't remember much of anything she did. I do though think her moments going to Russia with Medev and being in K&Cs with Yuzuru and coaching current and future TCC students sets her coaching apart from her amateur days.

 

[bardtoob]

I was watching in the 80s and can't remember much of anything she did.

I remember 1 single step sequence at the 4:30 mark of the video of this program because the shape of the empty space between their legs matches so well.

Wilson & McCall (CAN) - 1988 Calgary, Ice Dancing, Free Dance (US ABC)

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ice Dancing, Free Dance - Tracy Wilson and Robert McCall of Canada won the Bronze Medal.

youtu.be

 

[Winnipeg]

What about Tracy Wainman?

 

[screech]

Hanyu’s success was primarily due to Orser. I don’t see Tracy as a great coach, but she had a great ice dance career with Rob McCall.

Tracey is the one responsible for developing strong skating skills in the Cricket Club skaters. She works on the stroking, power, edges, etc with them. Without her, their actual 'skating' wouldn't be where it is.

 

[Vash01]

Point taken.

(although I did mention twice that "perhaps" not 100% for certainty.)

In her first year Tracy co-coached Medev into making the Russian team and becoming Worlds bronze medalist in less than a year, so I stick to my position on this.

I still say she will be remembered more for Orser's team as a coach than her 80s moments.

I was watching in the 80s and can't remember much of anything she did. I do though think her moments going to Russia with Medev and being in K&Cs with Yuzuru and coaching current and future TCC students sets her coaching apart from her amateur days.

You should watch their performances instead of focusing on only the past one year of her coaching. She got a student who was already very accomplished. I don’t give her credit for Zhenya’s success.

Of course if you are just 15-20 years old, you may not appreciate skaters from the 80s.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

You should watch their performances instead of focusing on only the past one year of her coaching. She got a student who was already very accomplished. I don’t give her credit for Zhenya’s success.

Of course if you are just 15-20 years old, you may not appreciate skaters from the 80s.

I appreciate Kat. I appreciate Liz. I appreciate Roz. I appreciate Denise. I appreciate Kristi. I appreciate Karyn. I appreciate Jill.

Anywhoooo DM me if you still want to go back and forth, but wait til after Housewives.

I stand by my point, Tracy will (is) better known for her coaching at TCC than the bronze in the 80s which is what I believe is the purpose of the thread.

 

[VGThuy]

I hardly register Tracy Wilson as a coach. I know her much more for her ice dance commentary and her success as an ice dancer. That doesn't mean she isn't a great coach, but I think she needs way more accomplishments as a coach to overshadow her skating record.

 

[Japanfan]

Misha Ge? Or is that too soon to tell?
Edit- just thought of C. Maurizi too.

No, I don't think it is soon. Misha has already distguished himself as a choreographer. As a skater he was never among the best technically, but it was always clearly evident that he was/is an artiste.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I hardly register Tracy Wilson as a coach.

Damnnnn! I wonder what her response to you would be for that.

I think Tracy working as a coach at TCC flourishes her resume. She's coaching a whole arsenal of the worlds most elite. So strange thoughts out there in the skating universe.

 

[Miki89]

Tatiana Tarasova (She had a moderately successful career as a pairs skater. She later coached several Olympic and
World champion skaters.)

Yao Bin (I think he was the ultimate not so good skater who became a great coach. In fact, his failures as an amateur
skater motivated him to become a good coach.)

Nobuo Sato (Another moderately successful skater, placing 8th at Olympics and 4th at Worlds. Later became the coach
to several World Champion and medalist skaters in Japan.)

 

[Winnipeg]

I meant Tracey Wainman not Wilson.

 

[VGThuy]

Damnnnn! I wonder what her response to you would be for that.

I think Tracy working as a coach at TCC flourishes her resume. She's coaching a whole arsenal of the worlds most elite. So strange thoughts out there in the skating universe.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact she's part of the TCC team and it seems Orser always takes the attention front-and-center. I didn't say she was a bad coach or that she wasn't instrumental to TCC. I was just comparing how I know her and which roles she has played that mostly register to me. She as an ice dancer put her face front-and-center with McCall, so it's easier to attribute her success there to her. She medaled at a time where ice dance was seriously a European game dominated by Soviets having at least two teams on Olympic and World podiums. Same thing with her commentary where we actually got to hear her voice and thoughts. She was a commentator for a long time on American television and was the commentator for the Olympics in 2002 which is a huge gig. I mean it's not strange at all. I find it strange that you're really undervaluing her achievements in ice dance.

 

[nuge]

What happened to Ingo Steur never hear of him now?

 

[twinklestar]

Huh? He’s a part of their coaching team, but he’s not wholly responsible for their success. Considering their teams do well on PCS which link to choreography which Marie France does a lot of, in collaboration with others, and their teams also do well technically which I believe Patrice is the main technical coach.

I’m not saying Romain isn’t a part of it but he’s not a puppet master and they are not merely his puppets.

Well, you are biased because you are Canadian but are you saying that Dubreuil/Lauzon school was successful before Haguenauer went there? Not really. You should just admit the truth.