Skate to Milano OWG Qualifier - Beijing CHN - Ice Dance RD & FD

[Belsornia]

Finland has other team(s?) that can try to make the lower overall minimums to hold the spot.

I don't think so. Finland's only other senior team is Ivanitskiy/Sperry and he's not a citizen either.

Plus Mila Ruud Reitan is still status uncertain, so whoever finishes sixth could still find themselves in Milano even if no-one else has to return a spot through injury etc.

 

[tony]

Same for SWE, right? Or did Reitan get citizenship?

Sweden doesn't have the spot yet, so there would still be 5 spots here up for grabs. I did question earlier what her status is, though, because in the spring it was very "well I don't know, let's see"

 

[Karen-W]

Remember Orihara still has a big question mark to her citizenship as far as I know. Finland has other team(s?) that can try to make the lower overall minimums to hold the spot.

But there may be 5 spots here.

Finland definitely won't use their 2nd spot if Orihara doesn't have a citizenship miracle. Sperry doesn't have citizenship and Ivanitskiy/Sperry train in Michigan so he can't even establish residency.

I'm guessing that Reitan must have some sort of path to getting Swedish citizenship or their fed wouldn't have sent them to this event. After all, they didn't even wind up sending the Crafoords in pairs, who DO have Swedish citizenship already.

 

[tangerine dream]

Not really, because back then hypothetically teams finishing ahead of them that earned multiple entries (ex. say France had one entry but then finished 6th) would automatically get that second spot and a total quota before hitting the max.

Now, as we all know, additional spots being added (such as what Georgia and Spain, for example, are trying to do here) have to actually be confirmed rather than just given.

Ok, yeah I forgot what happened exactly other than that it was a very unlikely scenario. Looking back at the results 3 countries qualified 3 spots each and technically 4 countries qualified 2 spots each but since only 16 spots were up for grabs the US didn't get 2. So you're right, the rules haven't changed.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Isn't that how it used to be? The Knierims were 10th at 2017 worlds and the US only got one spot for the Olympics. I'm not sure when it changed.

No. It used to be that a country got all of its spots based on the top-level skaters in order, even if the lowest-ranked team didn't even make the free skate. The allocation ran out with the team above the Knierims, leaving one spot for the US. Back then, if you earned one or more spots at Worlds, you couldn't compete at the Olympic qualifier to get another, so the US couldn't compete for a second, even though they'd earned it numerically for Worlds.

Now, if the top team(s) earn(s) two or three spots, the country gets all of them outright if all make the free, even if the second (of two) or third (of three) skater placed lower than a team that is cut out of the spots because of the multiples rule.

I believe Tony is suggesting that the spots are allocated one at a time in the order of the actual finish until the Worlds limit is reached. If a country earns two or three spots for Worlds, but only one or two in order, they can attend the OQE for the last spot.

ETA: Example from Boston:

Harris/Chan were 19th. Fabbri/Ayer were 20th. Canada earned three spots outright, because Gilles/Poirier and Lajoie/Lagha totaled 9 (<13), and Fabbri/Ayer made the FD. Australia got bupkis, and that's why Harris/Chan have to try to earn a spot in Beijing.

Under Tony's proposal, Harris/Chan would have gotten the last Worlds allocation spot, and a Canadian team would be in Beijing to earn the third spot.

 

[Dobre]

Harris and Chan have been known to really blow an element in their time. So I wouldn't even say they are a lock yet.

Yes, but I am crossing my fingers for them. They can do it. It is within their power to control their own destiny in this. Hence, the "one dance at a time" comment.

 

[tony]

I believe Tony is suggesting that the spots are allocated one at a time in the order of the actual finish until the Worlds limit is reached. If a country earns two or three spots for Worlds, but only one or two in order, they can attend the OQE for the last spot.

Yes, because I don't like that the strength of one team is now carrying lesser teams in what might be a really crazy set of results at some point. This only applies to pairs and dance because the ISU made it so that singles doesn't have this issue.

But, I used a hypothetical from Worlds that went something like this. Say:

14. Australia
15. United States #3
16. Great Britain #2
17. France #2
18. Finland #2
19. Czech Republic #2
20. Canada #3

The rules as they are currently written would mean the 14th place team loses out to the six teams below them in getting an initial Olympic spot because of what teammates of other skaters did.

I wrote about the USA pairs 2017 issue in like 2010 as it being a very strong possibility, and then it did play out. If the ISU confirmed spots going down the list, then Canada #3 (or whoever one wants to put in 20th place) would have to go to this competition to confirm their spot since only 19 spots were available in Worlds. It just makes the most sense seeing what they did with singles.

 

[skatingguy]

Harris and Chan have been known to really blow an element in their time. So I wouldn't even say they are a lock yet.

Five points seems like it should be enough of a margin, but I guess anything can happen.

 

[skateblessing]

Finland definitely won't use their 2nd spot if Orihara doesn't have a citizenship miracle. Sperry doesn't have citizenship and Ivanitskiy/Sperry train in Michigan so he can't even establish residency.

I'm guessing that Reitan must have some sort of path to getting Swedish citizenship or their fed wouldn't have sent them to this event. After all, they didn't even wind up sending the Crafoords in pairs, who DO have Swedish citizenship already.

They are a couple in real life and seems to be very in love and a great match in life. They could possible go down the married road, but I hope they don’t for that sake. All though I can see them ending up as married at one point if they continue this path, I would not find it as bad as other teams getting married. I’m hoping possible getting a spot can get things going faster with the citizenship process, if the Swedish Fed can do something. Milla offically lives and pay taxes in Sweden since January 2024-ish, and as Norwegian the language should not be a barrier.

Majorov has Russian relatives righ? so marrying young wouldn’t be so weird in that culture - but again I hope they don’t.

 

[kwanfan1818]

They are wrong about Nebelhorn being the Olympic qualifier for the last five Olympics (2022, 2018, 2014, 2010, 2006). Will no one think of the late Karl Schaeffer, the Olympic qualifier for 2006 (and 1998 before that)

 

[Aussie Willy]

Really pleased for Holly and Jason. That was probably the best I have seen them skate an RD. Fingers crossed for the FD as it is a really beautiful program.

As for dress - the green and gold are Australian sporting colours. I suppose being the same colour as JLo's dress also works for it. Interesting that they can incorporate the team colours into a skating outfit.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Wrong thread

 

[Hedwig]

I am so mad at the Italian fed for not sending Tali/Lafornara.

 

[Marta24]

I am so mad at the Italian fed for not sending Tali/Lafornara.

They have withdrawn from 3 competitions, so there might be health issues with Tali/Lafornara.

 

[victorskid]

Playlist of individual RDs: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuiPiC1Hk8eJceBuConENxNEUohPtC0FD

 

[skatingguy]

Play-by-play posts have been updated to reflect the protocols, and the skaters names link to the performance video on YouTube.

 

[Firedancer]

@Firedancer OUR DUTCH BESTIES ARE COMPETING HERE I DIDN'T KNOW (at Worlds Chelsea and Sherim sat with us and were so, so nice and friendly and he carried Firedancer over to her seat )

I saw that on X lol. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like it went very well.

 

[PRlady]

Thanks for the PBP from those who can’t stay up that late. Happy for the Swedes!

 

[Carina]

They are a couple in real life and seems to be very in love and a great match in life. They could possible go down the married road, but I hope they don’t for that sake. All though I can see them ending up as married at one point if they continue this path, I would not find it as bad as other teams getting married. I’m hoping possible getting a spot can get things going faster with the citizenship process, if the Swedish Fed can do something. Milla offically lives and pay taxes in Sweden since January 2024-ish, and as Norwegian the language should not be a barrier.

Majorov has Russian relatives righ? so marrying young wouldn’t be so weird in that culture - but again I hope they don’t.

They are a couple in real life and seems to be very in love and a great match in life. They could possible go down the married road, but I hope they don’t for that sake. All though I can see them ending up as married at one point if they continue this path, I would not find it as bad as other teams getting married. I’m hoping possible getting a spot can get things going faster with the citizenship process, if the Swedish Fed can do something. Milla offically lives and pay taxes in Sweden since January 2024-ish, and as Norwegian the language should not be a barrier.

Majorov has Russian relatives righ? so marrying young wouldn’t be so weird in that culture - but again I hope they don’t.

It won’t help, no such a thing as automatic getting/speeding up citizenship with marriage in Sweden.
Just popped a question about how far she’s on the trail on FB or Insta when Skate Sweden announced the skaters for the qualification. No answer so far, so I think it’s still very much up in the air. Don’t if they think getting a place might speed it up or at least hope it will.

 

[skateycat]

I mostly slept after all. I’ll have to watch again some other time.

 

[Hedwig]

They have withdrawn from 3 competitions, so there might be health issues with Tali/Lafornara.

Ah I did not know that. that makes more sense then, it was a bit of a head scratcher for me.

 

[Spikefan]

Got home from work and trying to get through everything. FF through most of pairs and women but not dance. Even bad dance is good. I’m actually excited to see everyone’s FD as it’s likely the first and last watch for some.

 

[Tinycities]

I’m usually solidly neutral on Harris/Chan but wow I loved their RD. They look like they’ve improved a ton.

 

[Spikefan]

Carolane is giving '90s children's TV presenter like nothing I've ever seen. Say what you like, this is pure commitment to the theme. Everyone else here in generic ice-dance dresses needs to take notes.

It’s giving me, “How do you do, fellow kids?” meme. I love it.

Love Yoshida/Morita, what a great concept. This years Rasputin.

 

[clairecloutier]

Watched the last 2 groups and my faves were Val/Kazimov, Yoshida/Morita, and Harris/Chan.

Val/Kazimov stood out with their unison in the footwork sequence, which I thought was excellent. In general, they seem to skate close together and were really in sync. It's sort of a typical program, but I find Sofia to be really invested and selling it really well. (Also I enjoy seeing Hurtado/Khaliavin in the kiss-n-cry. )

Loved the orginality and speedy footwork and edges from Yoshida/Morita. A really fun and distinctive package. And the music is not too annoying, LOL.

When Harris/Chan took the ice, it was a really clear step up in the level of polish and finish to all the movements, compared to previous teams. Holly is really coming into her own as an ice dancer, which is great to see. The costume is the perfect finishing touch IMO. (Her costumes are always great.)

Soucisse/Firus's FD was different and fun. I didn't realize this is their final season. It's a good RD to end with.

I like the middle section of Allison/Saul's RD, because I feel like that kind of relaxed, funky, low-key style really works well for them. They have always had soft knees and such a cool vibe as a couple. "Too Sexy for My Shirt" doesn't work as well, because IMO it requires a more show-offy, campy, tongue-in-cheek style. I'm happy to see them in good position to qualify, though.

 

[skatingguy]

Wedgie Data
4 Available Entries

 

[skatingguy]

Click the skaters names to open the individual YouTube videos with their performances.

10:00:00 - 10:06:15 Warm-Up Group 1
10:06:45 - 10:14:25 1 Samantha RITTER / Daniel BRYKALOV 19 45.78
10:14:25 - 10:22:05 2 Chelsea VERHAEGH / Sherim van GEFFEN 18 48.15
10:22:05 - 10:29:45 3 Harlow Lynella STANLEY / Seiji URANO 17 49.82
10:29:45 - 10:37:25 4 Gaukhar NAURYZOVA / Boyisangur DATIEV 16 50.64
10:37:25 - 10:43:40 Warm-Up Group 2
10:44:10 - 10:51:50 5 Kristina DOBROSERDOVA / Alessandro PELLEGRINI 15 52.27
10:51:50 - 10:59:30 6 Sofiia DOVHAL / Wiktor KULESZA 14 56.43
10:59:30 - 11:07:10 7 Maria KAZAKOVA / Vladislav KASINSKIJ 13 59.53
11:07:10 - 11:14:50 8 Giulia Isabella PAOLINO / Andrea TUBA 12 60.04
11:14:50 - 11:22:30 9 Angelina KUDRYAVTSEVA / Ilia KARANKEVICH 11 60.87
11:22:30 - 11:37:30 Ice Resurfacing
11:37:30 - 11:43:45 Warm-Up Group 3
11:44:15 - 11:51:55 10 Mariia PINCHUK / Mykyta POGORIELOV 10 62.11
11:51:55 - 11:59:35 11 Shira ICHILOV / Mikhail NOSOVITSKIY 9 62.55
11:59:35 - 12:07:15 12 Carolane SOUCISSE / Shane FIRUS 8 64.53
12:07:15 - 12:14:55 13 Mariia IGNATEVA / Danijil Leonyidovics SZEMKO 7 64.58
12:14:55 - 12:22:35 14 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU 6 67.59
12:22:35 - 12:28:50 Warm-Up Group 4
12:29:20 - 12:37:00 15 Sofia VAL / Asaf KAZIMOV 5 68.35
12:37:00 - 12:44:40 16 Utana YOSHIDA / Masaya MORITA 4 69.14
12:44:40 - 12:52:20 17 Milla Ruud REITAN / Nikolaj MAJOROV 3 69.30
12:52:20 - 13:00:00 18 Holly HARRIS / Jason CHAN 2 73.35
13:00:00 - 13:07:40 19 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS 1 80.95

 

[victorskid]

Oh how I wish I didn't have early morning duties at my church tomorrow - the results of Dance and Men will have to be known "after the fact", I'm afraid as this old lady feels the need for sleep

A reminder that the Playlist of individual skates should appear on this page part way through the event(s): https://www.youtube.com/@SkatingISU/playlists

 

[Karen-W]

Whelp, the stream is live already and the arena looks pretty empty again to start the morning off. Maybe more people will show up in time for the last 2 groups.

 

[Amy L]

FD is going live!

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