SAG Awards Broadcast

[Allskate]

On now. TBS and TNT in the U.S.. Kristen Bell is hosting.

 

[manhn]

THIS IS US won!!!!!YASSS!!!

 

[VGThuy]

I think I may skip the Oscars this year. I'm not liking these results at all and it's going to be that way for the rest of the awards season.

 

[HeatherC]

The This Is Us cast had the BEST reaction to winning tonight! I wasn't watching at the time but found a video on You Tube that showed most of it. They're just awesome, LOL

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6tAmSJXlzg

 

[Vash01]

Boring! Why do they even have the awards ceremony? Just follow the Golden Globes.

I don't watch any of the TV shows, so the non-movie part is rather meaningless to me.

 

[VGThuy]

Boring! Why do they even have the awards ceremony? Just follow the Golden Globes.

I don't watch any of the TV shows, so the non-movie part is rather meaningless to me.

I'm right there with you this year. The only thing I think we've disagreed on this season so far is Lady Bird, but other than that I think we're on the same wavelength.

 

[Allskate]

The This Is Us cast had the BEST reaction to winning tonight!

They really did. And the talent on that show runs so deep, so it was nice to see them all rewarded for that.

I was glad to see that the Big Sick at least got nominated. It was one of my favorite movies this year.

I haven't seen Three Billboards. This year didn't have that many movies that I really loved or even was that interested in seeing.

 

[Japanfan]

Boring! Why do they even have the awards ceremony? Just follow the Golden Globes.

I don't watch any of the TV shows, so the non-movie part is rather meaningless to me.

I record Awards shows and then fast forward my way through them. My reason for watching them is that sometimes an actor/film/TV show I like wins (i.e. Robin Wright House of Cards, Game of Thrones, Brie Larson for 'Room, Handmaid's Tale wins). Or, sometimes I enjoy seeing a certain presenter. Once in a while, a presenter or winner says something interesting or moving.

But I do a lot of fast-forwarding. And, very often don't care for the big Oscar winners and fast forward through Best Director/Best Picture, especially feel-good films like "Forrest Gump" and "Slumdog Millionaire' (I KNOW I'M EVIL! ).

I think that the last time I was excited about a best picture win was 'The Return of the King', the final installment in 'The Lord of the Rings' trilogy. And that's a long time ago!

Tonight I enjoyed seeing Frances Mcdormand. She is a very intelligent actor IMO, and never disappoints. She has stated that she absolutely hates award shows, so I'm always curious as to she will handle a win. Tonight, there was a lot of over-the-top hand flapping.

 

[Vash01]

I record Awards shows and then fast forward my may through them. My reason for watching them is that sometimes an actor/film/TV show I like wins (i.e. Robin Wright House of Cards, Game of Thrones, Brie Larson for 'Room, Handmaid's Tale wins). Or, sometimes I enjoy seeing a certain presenter. Once in a while, a presenter or winner says something interesting or moving.

But I do a lot of fast-forwarding. And, very often don't care for the big Oscar winners and fast forward through Best Director/Best Picture, especially feel-good films like "Forrest Gump" and "Slumdog Millionaire' (I KNOW I'M EVIL! ).

I think that the last time I was excited about a best picture win was 'The Return of the King', the final installment in 'The Lord of the Rings' trilogy. And that's a long time ago!

Tonight I enjoyed seeing Frances Mcdormand. She is a very intelligent actor IMO, and never disappoints. She has stated that she absolutely hates award shows, so I'm always curious as to she will handle a win. Tonight, there was a lot of over-the-top hand flapping.

I record the Oscars (sometimes the Golden Globes) but they have become so predictable and disappointing at times that I don't even bother rewatching, unless there is a great speech, like Oprah's at the Golden Globes.

I hated it when Return of the asking won all the awards. It deserved many, but not All.

I like it when an unexpected actor wins, like Adrian Brody for the pianist.

 

[PeterG]

I like it when an unexpected actor wins, like Adrian Brody for the pianist.

Ah, yes. Halle Barry's #metoo moment.

 

[Wyliefan]

I'm surprised Three Billboards is still a big winner and an Oscar favorite after all the backlash.

 

[Jay42]

My problem with awards season is that it's a specific type of movie that usually wins. I still maintain that Christopher Nolan should have won Best Director for Inception and he wasn't even nominated.

But why aren't good movies considered? Where's the awards love for Baby Driver outside of the technical categories? Edgar Wright should definitely be getting more love for Baby Driver. Why isn't Patty Jenkins getting awards attention for Wonder Woman? Why weren't Daisy Ridley or Charlize Theron considered for Best Actress for Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Mad Max: Fury Road respectively?

It's always a certain kind of movie that gets Oscar attention. There's always outliers, sci-fi movies frequently get brought up and will get some degree of attention but it's rarely the major categories. Or if it is it's something like Best Director but even then it's rare that they are likely to win. It's not to say that Oscar bait movies are bad, but why can't it just be movies that are good? Why does it have to be movies designed to attract awards voters?

ETA: I'm not ignoring Jordan Peele for Get Out, I've read a lot of things saying he should be getting more attention for directing as well, but I can't watch horror movies so I haven't seen Get Out.

 

[VGThuy]

I read an article some time ago that in the 1990s, the Oscars became more open to smaller indie films because of the advent of VHS tapes being sent to Academy members and Harvey Weinstein and other studio heads becoming good at gaming the season. Then the Golden Globes started to be taken seriously and a slew of other award shows started coming out because there's a market for award shows now, thus creating an award season where movies just keep on winning and create an unbeatable narrative.

It took a while for small, indie films to start winning Best Pic (which is why we had films like Forrest Gump, The English Patient, Braveheart, etc.) still winning while the small indies were winning Best Screenplay. Now we have DVD screeners and even streaming making all of those smaller movies more available to the academy members. There was also an opening up of the membership and now changing how Best Picture is voted on that shapes which movies end up winning. Honestly, a movie like Moonlight wasn't done because Barry Jenkins thought he had a shot at an Oscar. It was a seriously low-budget passion project and so many of those end up on Amazon Prime or Netflix and are little seen. It's sort of a crap shoot. The Oscar-bait movies are ones that are like The Imitation Game or The King's Speech or something like with star-studded casts in "serious" roles or songs written just to win an Oscar.

I think in the end, Oscar winning movies tend to be the ones that aren't the most critically-lauded but they aren't the most mainstream, popular choices either but just enough of both and thus not pleasing anybody who is truly passionate about their choices.

Personally speaking, I think the Oscars can go artier, but that will seriously kill the ratings.

 

[Japanfan]

It's always a certain kind of movie that gets Oscar attention. There's always outliers, sci-fi movies frequently get brought up and will get some degree of attention but it's rarely the major categories. Or if it is it's something like Best Director but even then it's rare that they are likely to win. It's not to say that Oscar bait movies are bad, but why can't it just be movies that are good? Why does it have to be movies designed to attract awards voters?

Hollywood also loves moves about slavery and the Holocaust. And likes to congratulate itself on making movies about African Americans, because it thinks this evidence of how progressive it is.

I don't have issues with movies about African Americans or slavery, but wish that Hollywood gave equal attention to other groups such as Native Americans, who are largely under-repesented in films.

And to movies about women, though there certainly have been a few that earned much acclaim and award nominations.

There was a wonderful film made some years ago called 'North County' that was about the first class action suit for sexual discrimination in the US, advanced by women working at the mine. It starred Charlize Theron, Woody Harrelson (sp?) and Francis McDormand, and had all the makings of an Oscar worthy film - little person addresses injustice, fights the system, and triumphs.

It should have been one of the best films of the year, but was largely ignored.

 

[VGThuy]

I think it's happening recently because historically movies about African-Americans (written and/or directed by actual African-Americans) had been ignored and now they're making money in a way that's unprecedented. Before if a movie had a cast of more than like two black people, it'd be dismissed as a black movie. I think there are just more black writer-directors that coming out of film schools and what-not and money is to be made out of them. It's like all the attention on female-led movies that started happened in the past two years or so. People are seeing a real market for it and now there are more women demanding more female directors/writers be given more opportunities and award attention. It's all about what's making money now. Unfortunately, I don't know if the market for films centered around the Native-American perspective is seen as marketable outside of Pocahontas stories. There was Frozen River that had a Native-American second female lead and was set in upstate New York and on a Native-American reservation that received some awards attention but I don't think any of the Native-Americans did. I also don't think movies about the black experience should be the ones sacrificed in favor of other minority-centered films either. I don't think it has to be an either/or situation as in pay less attention to "black" films so that we may pay attention to other races' films.

 

[screech]

There was ONE big surprise at the SAG - Elisabeth Moss did not win for Handmaid's Tale (Claire Foy won instead for The Crown).

Allison Janney has won a lot, and is the frontrunner, but I wouldn't be surprised if Laurie Metcalf snuck in for the win. She's gotten raves for her performance.

I think best director is currently the most uncertain category, and very often, best director wins best picture. Apparently it happens about 80% of the time, though the correlation is dwindling. Since 2000, best picture and best director have NOT matched 7 of 17 times (based on a quick wikipedia search).

 

[Japanfan]

There was Frozen River that had a Native-American second female lead and was set in upstate New York and on a Native-American reservation that received some awards attention but I don't think any of the Native-Americans did.

I did a quick Google search and Misty Upman, the Native American actress, did get nominations for some of the lesser-known awards. And a win for best supporting actress at the American Indian Film Festival.

Loved loved loved Frozen River - it vies for my favorite film of all time.

 

[Vash01]

I did a quick Google search and Misty Upman, the Native American actress, did get nominations for some of the lesser-known awards. And a win for best supporting actress at the American Indian Film Festival.

Loved loved loved Frozen River - it vies for my favorite film of all time.

I remember that movie. Really good. What was the name of the lead actress that was nominated? Melissa something?

 

[Japanfan]

I remember that movie. Really good. What was the name of the lead actress that was nominated? Melissa something?

Melissa Leo.

 

[Vash01]

Melissa Leo.

I think she won an Oscar later fir another movie - something to do with boxing, if I remember correctly.

 

[PeterG]

I think she won an Oscar later fir another movie - something to do with boxing, if I remember correctly.

The Fighter (for which she also won the Golden Globe). Frozen River was the movie for which she was nominated for best actress two years previously. Leo has also been nominated three times for an Emmy, winning in the "Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series" category for the tv show "Louie".

I did a quick Google search and Misty Upman, the Native American actress, did get nominations for some of the lesser-known awards. And a win for best supporting actress at the American Indian Film Festival.

In addition to Frozen River, Upham had roles in August: Osage County, Django Unchained, Cake and Big Love. There is a documentary being made (or maybe it's completed, my brief google search was inconclusive) about the days leading up to her death called, "11 Days - The Search for Misty Upham". Her family had reported Upham's disappearance to the police force, who felt that because of previous disappearance reports that this instance did not warrant opening an investigation.

Another surprise about Upham from Wikipedia:

On October 15, 2017, in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse allegations, Upham's father, Charles Upham, went public with allegations that his daughter was raped by a member of Weinstein's production team at the same Golden Globes ceremony where she was honored, and that other members of Weinstein's team had not only witnessed the rape but had cheered the rapist on.

 

[Japanfan]

I'm deeply saddened to learn that Misty died, and was raped by a colleague of Weinstein. She had such a bright future ahead.