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Russian Ice Dance champion Zhiganshin retires

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by caseyedwards, May 18, 2017.

  1. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    I'm sad about this, but I heard whisperings of it earlier, so I'm not that shocked. I've had time to get used to the news. I wonder if Elena can find another partner. Would they try to pair her with Guerreiro and break up Z/G? I hope not.
  2. Coquelicot14

    Coquelicot14 Well-Known Member

    Nah, Guerreiro is a perfect match with Tiffany.

    Besides, Elena needs a guy that's a bit more her build. Khaliavin might work, or Mozgov.
  3. Perky Shae Lynn

    Perky Shae Lynn Well-Known Member

    I feel exactly the same way.
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  4. Coco

    Coco Rotating while Russian!

    Elena has gold and bronze Olympic medals. My guess is she will move on to shows.
  5. Areski

    Areski Well-Known Member

    I share your view.
  6. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Our own personal St. Jude!
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  7. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Well-Known Member

    This is very sad news, in particular for Elena. Russian Ice Dance is pretty frustrating. :(
  8. Coco

    Coco Rotating while Russian!

    In a way, I blame WADA's mishandling of the meldonium ban. Didn't that cost Russia a 3ed spot for dance? Once you lose it, it's hard to get back.
  9. Coquelicot14

    Coquelicot14 Well-Known Member

    It absolutely did. I honestly think something should have been done to cover the damages of their incompetence as far as B&S are concerned.
  10. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

    Not sure why people think Russia was going to get their 3rd spot back last year at Worlds if B/S had competed they would have had to been in the top 4 and while doable there was also a good chance they would have finished as low as 6th.
  11. Dobre

    Dobre Well-Known Member

    7th. Hubbell & Donohue were sixth, skating at home, and had split placements with Bobrova & Soloviev twice during the season. There was a very good chance B&S would have finished 7th. Sixth was the most likely. B&S could have been higher (C&L and W&P did open some doors), but it would have meant passing teams that defeated B&S twice each last season. 6th or 7th were the most likely outcomes.

    When all is said and done, though, we should have had the chance to see Bobrova & Soloviev compete at Worlds, and we didn't get it. We were robbed of seeing Anna Karenina, and that stinks.

    But we were not robbed of seeing Bobrova & Soloviev ever compete again. Which seemed very plausible at the time, and would have been much, much worse.
  12. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Russia lost that third spot at 2015 Worlds. Maybe with B/S's help they and S/K could have gained it back with a 3rd place placement from B/S (remember with B/S there and assumingly placing higher than S/K, then S/K's ninth place finish would become a tenth place finish). However, many teams performed extremely well at those Worlds and the caller was a bit more lenient which meant many teams were getting all level 4 calls.
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  13. Areski

    Areski Well-Known Member

    I doubt that Russia would get 3 spots last year even with Bobrova / Solovyev. Sinitsina / Katsalapov were 9th, it equal with B/S Bronze medal being necessary for 3 spots as with S/K being pushed to 10th place.
  14. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    It is a bit hard to say what would happen if... no one exp cyed this worlds to have two canadian ladies on the podium... Bobrova/Soloview had a pretty decent season and the medals were free for grabs. it could have been anybody's, based on the skating on the night. It wasn't like some years, when the medals are nearly taken before the competition starts.
  15. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

    2015 was the Worlds B/S missed because of his injury. In 2015, the medalists were P/C, C/B, and W/P, then C/L less than two points behind, and then the Shibs.

    In 2016, when B/S were out for the (stupid) ban, P/C, and C/B weren't about to concede, the Shibs had a breakout FS that gained momentum, and in a comeback year, B/S were 3rd at Euros (to P/C and C/L) and 5th at GPF (also behind C/B and the Shibs). I think the field was pretty stacked against a bronze for B/S in NA. 5th place W/P scored just over 182 in Boston, and that was even after V/M announced their comeback, relegating W/P to Canada #2, without Canada #1 even having to be there.
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  16. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

    I am not sorry that I/Z split. I did not see much hope for this team to medal. Now, if Elena pulls of magic and finds a new partner and rises to the top, that would be SOMETHING.. she'll be a new Wonder Woman.... :D
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  17. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    But it is not as if there were that many of male partners of her level unattached waiting for her to contact them.
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  18. Spun Silver

    Spun Silver Well-Known Member

    And out of the pool of unattached male partners of her level, how many would have the courage to take her on? She doesn't sound exactly easy to work with.
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  19. legjumper

    legjumper Well-Known Member

    I remember thinking around the time of Euros that it was possible for Russia to get three spots back with, say, Sinitsina/Katsalapov and Bobrova/Soloviev finishing 6th and 7th. At the time, S/K were getting a very large political push from the Russian Fed, and B/S had arguably their best set of programs ever. Unfortunately, B/S got slapped with the meldonium ban, and S/K didn't score nearly as well at Worlds as I thought they might, given the trend in their scoring over the rest of the season.

    As for Ilinykh, if she does indeed want to continue competing, I hope she will be able to find a partner, although I agree that her best chance for a qualified partner is to wait for the usual post-Olympic splits and hope for the best.

    As for Zhiganshin, I am sorry that his career must now be added to the "what might have been" list. Still, he is a national champion, a former Junior World champion, and an Olympian - a very accomplished career, even if cut short.
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  20. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    What pool of unattached male partners do you have in mind? I can't come up with even one candidate. Maybe Mozgov, if he wants to upgrade, otherwise I can't come with anyone else. (And I am not even sure if Mozgov is physically compatible. Is he tall enough?)
  21. taz'smum

    taz'smum Well-Known Member

    Ruslan is 177cm and Mozgov is 188cm, I think he might just be tall enough ;)
  22. Messalina

    Messalina Olympic Torch Song Stylist

    UGH. Ugh ugh ugh. I don't know what else to say. I was the last great I/K holdout uber. ... And then I finally resigned myself to it and pinned my hopes on Ruslena. And now ... :wuzrobbed

    I hope Ruslan goes on to a healthy, happy, rewarding post-competition life. Goes without saying. He seems like a really nice guy, and as pointed out above, he snagged the top of the podium at nationals and junior worlds and will always be an Olympian, all of which is impressive. But I am completely heartbroken about Elena. Who would have thought 3 1/2 years ago, right after that Olympic bronze, that this is where Elena and Nikita would be? What a mess.

    I hope Elena can salvage a career out of this. And I can't say that in a 100% disinterested manner--e.g. even if it means she goes on to a career in shows--because I selfishly want her to stay eligible. I hate shows! I want to see more fiery competitive Elena!

    ETA: OK, I don't "hate" shows and I dearly dearly wish we had Japan-style and Lambiel-style shows here in the U.S. But live competition is what really floats my boat!
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  23. supergirl573

    supergirl573 Well-Known Member

    I thought Mozgov was partnered with Betina?
  24. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    He is, but considering that he is junior world medallist, I don't think his paring can be considered very succesful. After all, they were having very comparable results with Davankova/Shibnev, and it was Davankova's first season in ice dance. That shows how much Mozgov's skating went downhill.
  25. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

    Today the coach of Elena Ilinykh and Ruslan Zhiganshin wrote to me that "Elena and Ruslan are sitting out the Grand Prix because of Ruslan having health issues" and "there is no question about ending the career".
    I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
  26. Marta24

    Marta24 Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the info. So, there seems to still be hope that I`m gonna see my favorite ice dance team back on ice. :)
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  27. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

    Hope always dies last. ;-)
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  28. clairecloutier

    clairecloutier Well-Known Member

  29. becca

    becca Well-Known Member

    Nikita has already made the Olympic podium-twice..

    You cannot force people who don't want to work together to work together. And Elena/Nikita were always on and of themselves as a couple. They never made the improvements they needed to make.

    I felt when it cames to the new partner she made the wrong choice.
  30. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    Ruslan was probably the best she could get at the time (I like him, but yeah, maybe they aren't 100% well-suited). Khaliavin only became available after she and Ruslan had already paired up, and I can't think of anyone else. IIRC, Guerreiro was already skating with Zahorski.
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