Russian figure skating news & updates in 2022

[zebraswan]

Eteri has made it about as clear as she can that she does not support the war. She is also not Russian. There are other things to criticize her for, but there is no reason to assume she is so shallow that she cares more about Chanel than human lives. Yana Rudkovskaya, on the other hand...

 

[Carolla5501]

Eteri has made it about as clear as she can that she does not support the war. She is also not Russian. There are other things to criticize her for, but there is no reason to assume she is so shallow that she cares more about Chanel than human lives. Yana Rudkovskaya, on the other hand...

And in spite of what people want to believe on here I certainly doubt Eteri’s failure to support is related to great morals. We’ve already proven she doesn’t have those. I expect it’s related to her pocketbook, if her skaters are not winning medals and she’s not getting cash things could get difficult for the princess. So yes there’s every reason to think she’s that shallow

 

[Amantide]

I watched the other day a couple of minutes of a show they just had in Moscow. I didn't have time to watch the whole thing but I saw Evgenia conducting it. My god, she has grown into a gorgeous lady. I hadn't seen her like this before.

 

[MsZem]

There ARE options.

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Escaping to Germany might be the easiest thing to do right now if you are Russian (or even Syrian or from Africa) and don't want to endure this Putin shit anymore. If you just claim you have no passport, they are not allowed to send you back.
This might sound evil, but sadly, this is a strategy that has been working for some time.

I don't think it's that easy to leave Russia, and in terms of skaters getting out, we have an instructive example in Kirill Khalyavin. He had two things going for him: his Spanish citizenship, and getting to work on relocating early on. It was still (per Sara Hurtado's comments) a complicated situation, I think because his wife and child are not citizens. They left family behind, and I've no idea if they were able to transfer any money out of Russia. And again, that's a citizen of a European country, and he got out in early March. Are there as many open doors for Russian nationals at the moment? Even if they want to claim asylum, they have to get somewhere where they can do it.

There's a lot of good will and desire to help Ukrainian refugees, as there should be. I don't get the sense that there are many opportunities for Russians trying to get out.

 

[Ananas Astra]

I don't think it's that easy to leave Russia, and in terms of skaters getting out, we have an instructive example in Kirill Khalyavin. He had two things going for him: his Spanish citizenship, and getting to work on relocating early on. It was still (per Sara Hurtado's comments) a complicated situation, I think because his wife and child are not citizens. They left family behind, and I've no idea if they were able to transfer any money out of Russia. And again, that's a citizen of a European country, and he got out in early March. Are there as many open doors for Russian nationals at the moment? Even if they want to claim asylum, they have to get somewhere where they can do it.

There's a lot of good will and desire to help Ukrainian refugees, as there should be. I don't get the sense that there are many opportunities for Russians trying to get out.

A friend of mine escaped from Russia a month ago.
The wife and sons of ice hockey player Alexander Ovechkin were also in Russia when the invasion started while Ovi was playing in Washington. They are reunited now, so they made it out. No idea how they did, but they made it and are back in Washington.
Many Russians are escaping via Turkey, Dubai or even Finland these days. My friend took the route from Russia to Armenia to Georgia to Turkey to Greece to Germany. He also made sure he had booked return flights, so that in case he gets controlled, he can always claim it's a vacation. He cancelled those later when he was safe, though.

 

[irenemulindwairen]

I wish Zhulin would never coach anyone. He is a disgusting piece of....

I fully agree. Shanaeva is too spirited for this lousy piece of site of a coach. I am .

 

[Frau Muller]

And in spite of what people want to believe on here I certainly doubt Eteri’s failure to support is related to great morals. We’ve already proven she doesn’t have those. I expect it’s related to her pocketbook, if her skaters are not winning medals and she’s not getting cash things could get difficult for the princess. So yes there’s every reason to think she’s that shallow

Not to forget Team Gucci! It’s not just about Chanel, dahling.

 

[ostile17]

I wonder if Eteri Tutberidze is slashing her Chanel bags in protest over sanctions, like other well-off Russian women? Oh, boo hoo… … How can a true lady live without her Chanel products???

Russian influencers are cutting up their Chanel bags in protest after the luxury house barred them from buying its goods

"If Chanel House does not respect its clients, why do we have to respect Chanel?" the Russian model Victoria Bonya said before snipping a bag in two.

www.insider.com

I mean, there is just so much that a woman can take!

 

[Spun Silver]

@Barbara Manatee You asked if I think it's moral to imagine a scenario where T/M signed the CAS appeal under duress, and suggested there's no moral difference between assuming T/M's guilt or innocence in the two actions that have led people to put them on a hit list of non-humans per Finnice's post.

One of the tragic things about war is that it inflames the lust for quick condemnation and punishment. People think they are defending the innocent by rushing to punish other innocents, or if not innocents, then accused but without a trial. I don't think that's virtuous, although it may masquerade as virtue, and is sadly understandable when voiced by Ukrainians right now. The presumption of innocence is the foundation of the legal system in many countries and is an international human right. Russian figure skaters and musicians are not the ones responsible for this war.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The presumption of innocence is specific to charges brought by a government or international tribunes. It need not apply under any circumstances where it isn't specified, and especially in the court of public opinion. I haven't seen where moral, public support for the Russian government is a war crime, nor being named in filing a complaint in which you feel a governing body has overstepped their authority.

 

[Spun Silver]

The presumption of innocence is specific to charges brought by a government or international tribunes. It need not apply under any circumstances where it isn't specified, and especially in the court of public opinion. I haven't seen where moral, public support for the Russian government is a war crime, nor being named in filing a complaint in which you feel a governing body has overstepped their authority.

No, it hasn't been called a war crime, yet. The support for the Russian government has just been presumed, when there are other possible explanations, as my previous post suggested, and it's merely caused people to be placed on a list of non-humans. So far. The destruction of people's reputations is not an inconsequential thing.

 

[Lara111]

Did anyone see this? I would say our prayers have been answered but I know nothing about this guy. Is he better than Bazin?

Annabelle Morozov teamed up with David Narizhny

New ice dance team appeared in Russian ice dance. Annabelle Morozov and David Narizhny. Nikilai Morozov told about this

fs-gossips.com

Wow. I really like him

 

[Lara111]

David Narizhny was born in Ukraine (though currently represents Russia). It'd certainly help Annabelle if she wants to represent USA to partner with a Ukrainian born skater.

Same for Diana Davis - if she wants to partner with Ukrainian born Vadym Kolesnik (if she chooses to represent USA).

David Narizhny was 2020 world junior bronze medalist, and Vadym Kolesnik was 2020 world junior gold medalist. Both would be excellent partners for Annabelle and Diana (if they choose to go that route).

And they probably would have to subsidize their partners... which is expensive

 

[AxelAnnie]

Eteri has made it about as clear as she can that she does not support the war. She is also not Russian. There are other things to criticize her for, but there is no reason to assume she is so shallow that she cares more about Chanel than human lives. Yana Rudkovskaya, on the other hand...

She was born in Russia. How is she not Rissian.

 

[ChelleC]

She was born in Russia. How is she not Rissian.

Eteri is ethnically Georgian.

 

[Frau Muller]

Eteri is ethnically Georgian.

So she’s a Russian equivalent of the American mania for hyphenated designations, i.e., a Georgian-Russian…similar to African-American, Italian-American, Mexican-American…which wouldn’t be too far off the mark, since Slavic traditional Russians consider a person from the Caucasus area (Georgia, Azerbaijan, the Ossetias within Russia, etc) a “Black” Чёрный. So…Eteri can proclaim #ЧёрныйLivesMatter! She could claim discrimination, in a way.

 

[alj5]

According to Wikipedia, she is 50% Georgian, 25% Russian, and 25% Armenian.

 

[Frau Muller]

According to Wikipedia, she is 50% Georgian, 25% Russian, and 25% Armenian.

There you go. #ЧёрныйLivesMatter!

 

[mackiecat]

There you go. #ЧёрныйLivesMatter!

But what citizenships does she hold?

 

[AxelAnnie]

Eteri is ethnically Georgian.

I think this goes into the category called: "A distinction without a difference". EX: I am a Californian, but my nationality is American.

 

[euterpe]

Eteri was born in Russia---doesn't that make her a Russian citizen?

 

[aka_gerbil]

Eteri was born in Russia---doesn't that make her a Russian citizen?

She was born in Moscow when it was the USSR. One of her parents is (was?) Georgian. I’m guessing citizenship depends on where they were living when the Soviet Union collapsed?

 

[airgelaal]

Nationality does not matter if a person does not feel it. There are many facts when soldiers from Ukraine now have Russian citizenship and bomb the cities where their parents and relatives live.

 

[Trillian]

Eteri was born in Russia---doesn't that make her a Russian citizen?

The practice of conferring citizenship based on birth within a country (jus soli) is relatively uncommon, and most countries actually confer citizenship at birth based on the legal nationality of the parents (jus sanguinis). So it probably matters more what official nationality her parents had when she was born. I think she’s most likely a Russian citizen and could easily have gotten Georgian citizenship if she wanted it. But being born in Russia technically doesn’t mean automatic citizenship. (ETA: although maybe it did in the Soviet era; I haven’t read anything about the history of the laws there.)

 

[aka_gerbil]

My question is how was citizenship decided when the USSR dissolved? I feel that’s different than birthright or not citizenship when you’re born in a city in a country but then that country ceases to exist later.

Eteri was born in Moscow, so was born a Soviet citizen. But, where was the family living when the USSR dissolved because that may have dictated having or not having citizenship in Georgia.

 

[airgelaal]

My question is how was citizenship decided when the USSR dissolved? I feel that’s different than birthright or not citizenship when you’re born in a city in a country but then that country ceases to exist later.

Eteri was born in Moscow, so was born a Soviet citizen. But, where was the family living when the USSR dissolved because that may have dictated having or not having citizenship in Georgia.

If she was born in Moscow, so she was born in Russian SFSR.

 

[Trillian]

My question is how was citizenship decided when the USSR dissolved? I feel that’s different than birthright or not citizenship when you’re born in a city in a country but then that country ceases to exist later.

Eteri was born in Moscow, so was born a Soviet citizen. But, where was the family living when the USSR dissolved because that may have dictated having or not having citizenship in Georgia.

Depends on what each individual country decided to do, which could be a fun Wikipedia rabbit hole. I did read up on Georgia at one point, and from what I recall, they’ve generally been very quick to grant citizenship to people with Georgian heritage, which is why I’m assuming Eteri could have a Georgian passport if she wanted one. For people born in the former Soviet Union, it could be a pretty complex combination of cultural heritage, birthplace, and where they’ve lived over the last couple of decades. But I’d be surprised if Eteri is not a Russian citizen.

 

[aka_gerbil]

Depends on what each individual country decided to do, which could be a fun Wikipedia rabbit hole. I did read up on Georgia at one point, and from what I recall, they’ve generally been very quick to grant citizenship to people with Georgian heritage, which is why I’m assuming Eteri could have a Georgian passport if she wanted one. For people born in the former Soviet Union, it could be a pretty complex combination of cultural heritage, birthplace, and where they’ve lived over the last couple of decades. But I’d be surprised if Eteri is not a Russian citizen.

I would be surprised too if she didn’t have Russian citizenship for as long she’s lived there. I think the question is does she also have citizenship in Georgia.

If she was born in Moscow, so she was born in Russian SFSR.

Right, but she was 17 when the USSR dissolved, so she could have been living elsewhere at the time and not in what is now Russia.

I think the question is did her family move between her being born and when the USSR fell. If they were living in Georgia at the time, would she have automatically had Georgian citizenship?

 

[DreamSkates]

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Eteri is ethnically Georgian.

This is good to know, although it doesn't excuse what many have discussed as included in her coaching.

 

[airgelaal]

I would be surprised too if she didn’t have Russian citizenship for as long she’s lived there. I think the question is does she also have citizenship in Georgia.


Right, but she was 17 when the USSR dissolved, so she could have been living elsewhere at the time and not in what is now Russia.

I think the question is did her family move between her being born and when the USSR fell. If they were living in Georgia at the time, would she have automatically had Georgian citizenship?

No.
Everyone had Soviet documents that had to be exchanged for documents of a new country. This will confirm your citizenship.
Each country after the USSR dissolved had its own rules regarding old documents, as well as how to get new ones.