Moto Guzzi
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I was reacting to DreamSkates's post #937 "Some Russians are good, yes, because of doping. That’s been proven over the years." which I should have quoted, for more clarity.
Aside from that, I agree with the above.
He/She was saying that SOME Russians are good because of doping. Some Russians are good anyway. And you have no idea if any of these stars are doping until someone comes out with truth about it. So it's possible that it's even in the ballet world. Same goes for the U.S. ballet world. Any sport or athletic endeavor that works towards excellence has a possibility of being involved in doping. Whether it is the systemic doping we've seen in the past with the Russians or not, it's still possibly in there.Utterly absurd. So Pavlova, Nijinska, Karsavina and their colleagues in the ballet world in the early 20th C were doping? Diaghilev chose the dopers to populate the Ballet Russe? And today’s ballet stars are dopers too (Zakharova, Vishneva, Osipova, Schklyarov, Kimin Kim)? ROTFL
Every athlete or dancer is taking something. They all deal with injuries, pain, overworking themselves and being under pressure, especially when they know they can be replaced with a younger person at any time. I think there´s even more of all this in the ballet world than in olympic sports. Like, do they test ballet dancers for doping and party drugs?Utterly absurd. So Pavlova, Nijinska, Karsavina and their colleagues in the ballet world in the early 20th C were doping? Diaghilev chose the dopers to populate the Ballet Russe? And today’s ballet stars are dopers too (Zakharova, Vishneva, Osipova, Schklyarov, Kimin Kim)? ROTFL
Read Swan Dive by Georgina Pazcoguin, a former soloist at NYCB; she talks about her drug use and that of others at the company.
Well, she and her partner also weren't raised in the Russian system, so they certainly weren't as naive to the rest of the world as most russian skaters seem to be.My sprog didn’t do doping - maybe that explains her results!
Even without doping doping there's other things the Russian system does for "athletic performance" that are unacceptable to the rest of us: weight/diet control (as shown in both ballet and skating documentaries), working kids extremely hard at their endeavor of choice from a very young age, choosing their endeavor over academics, separating them from their families to train, encouraging enough kids to do this that they have a huge talent pool to choose from, etc.He/She was saying that SOME Russians are good because of doping. Some Russians are good anyway. And you have no idea if any of these stars are doping until someone comes out with truth about it. So it's possible that it's even in the ballet world. Same goes for the U.S. ballet world. Any sport or athletic endeavor that works towards excellence has a possibility of being involved in doping. Whether it is the systemic doping we've seen in the past with the Russians or not, it's still possibly in there.
Figure skating is very popular in Russia and talent is supported that is the reason many kids are doing it. It is a different picture in the USWell, she and her partner also weren't raised in the Russian system, so they certainly weren't as naive to the rest of the world as most russian skaters seem to be.
They're some of the recent Russian skaters I think I could safely assume wouldn't dope. They know the consequences of it on many levels.
Even without doping doping there's other things the Russian system does for "athletic performance" that are unacceptable to the rest of us: weight/diet control (as shown in both ballet and skating documentaries), working kids extremely hard at their endeavor of choice from a very young age, choosing their endeavor over academics, separating them from their families to train, encouraging enough kids to do this that they have a huge talent pool to choose from, etc.
I guess one reason I doubted the doping until there was evidence was because they use all of those methods quite commonly - and while they certainly do work at least short term, there's diminishing returns in the longer term as we've seen with the Russian ladies.
You got all high and mighty about no drugs in ballet; this book makes it clear there are. Sorry, not sorry.She’s not Russian. I mention only Russians in my argument. Title of this subforum: “Russian figure skating news…”
There are drugs everywhere. Recreational and performance enhancing (both legal and illegal). I think the previous poster was saying that no amount of drugs will create an Anna Pavlova or a Maia Plisetskaya. Not that there are no drugs in ballet.You got all high and mighty about no drugs in ballet; this book makes it clear there are. Sorry, not sorry.
Maybe not, but there's Gelsey Kirkland and Rudolf Nureyev...There are drugs everywhere. Recreational and performance enhancing (both legal and illegal). I think the previous poster was saying that no amount of drugs will create an Anna Pavlova or a Maia Plisetskaya. Not that there are no drugs in ballet.
I wonder if one could draw a conclusion that she would have not been able to perform quads w/o the effect of doping.People often do not understand that it is not eigher or. Valieva was incredibly talented and insanely hard working. And she likely would have been a very good skater without doping as well. But we do not know how much of an edge the drugs gave her. But knowing the effects of doping it likely wasn’t minuscule either.
The same thing was said of triples and doubles even. It’s not like anyone’s meant to do triples eitherTwelve years old and doing extreme quad combinations. She won't be eligible for the JGP until 2025, and even if the age limit hadn't changed, she wouldn't be eligible for the senior ranks for a while. It's not exciting or interesting anymore to see these girls do quads. Russia, why don't you produce more athlete like Liza?
At Plushenko's rink with Angelopol around? That will be FUN.Ilia Yablokov switched to ice dance. Rumor says that he is trying out with Arina Ushakova and Linichuk is to coach them
They were charming..all the best to both...Valery is a smart cookie.Yasmina Kadyrova/Valery Kolesov split, he retired dur to back injury and will focus on his studies, she is looking for a new partner
Laughed when I saw the scores of the leaders RD. Looks seem to reign over good technique. Russian coaches and judges have completely failed with the ijs system especially in dance. They still are stuck with the 6.0 style.Should we ever waste time watching a Russian Ice Dance competition? I've never seen a pair with such a visibly poor female lead, Step/Bukin, score so high...is it that no other pair can be ranked higher than a Zhulin pair. I saw Sin/Kats skate recently and I gots to say is Zhulin a one trick pony or is it that that is the limit of their abilities? Speaking of Zhulin pairs, Shanaeva doesn't have an ounce of core strength in her rail thinning body...how do they plan to keep up these ridiculously high scores? On a positive note Narizny and partner are lovely...if only they could skate elsewhere....some really solid skills and artistry.