Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

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But I'll say this, having been on many antidepressants, I wouldn't want to be on most of them if I were an active athlete.
This jives with my experience being on Wellbutrin. It was fine when I was on hiatus from training but the more I train, the more it makes me feel weird and doesn't work.

On a different point, not all ant-depressants help with anxiety. Some do; some don't. Anxiety is not depression.
 
This jives with my experience being on Wellbutrin. It was fine when I was on hiatus from training but the more I train, the more it makes me feel weird and doesn't work.

On a different point, not all ant-depressants help with anxiety. Some do; some don't. Anxiety is not depression.
Wellbutrin is actually known for making anxiety worse, so that probably wouldn't help performance anxiety. For me it gave me a lot of energy but it also made me jittery and shaky when I was at the highest dose. I went back to ballet class while on it and I couldn't hold a balance to save my life, even on flat, forget about releve. SSRI's, OTOH, supposedly do help with anxiety, but weight gain is a known side effect that I know all too well, and that's why I stopped taking them. In a sport like figure skating where people put so much emphasis on weight, I can't imagine anyone willingly going on those drugs for more than a few months.
 
I can't imagine anyone willingly going on those drugs for more than a few months.
A quick Google search for "sports performance anxiety treatment with antidepressants" returns the names of pills, in case you're curious. There are also stories about how these pills help athletes. I'm talking about anxiety, not depression. There are specific antidepressants for treating anxiety. Anxiety and depression can come together, but not necessarily. As for side effects, ritalin, which Simone Biles was taking for ADHD, also had plenty of them, but the gains were obviously stronger.
 
I remember there being a rumor that Ritalin is not allowed in Japan and even athletes that had a TUE for it we're not allowed to take it during the Tokyo games. I'm going to have to look that up to see if it was true or not, but it struck me as very unusual that a country would ban Ritalin.
 
I remember there being a rumor that Ritalin is not allowed in Japan and even athletes that had a TUE for it we're not allowed to take it during the Tokyo games. I'm going to have to look that up to see if it was true or not, but it struck me as very unusual that a country would ban Ritalin.
When BarbKD was a HS exchange student, AFS was very clear that no ADHD meds were legal in Japan. Apparently, Ritalin was pretty much the equivalent of saying, "I take Meth." That was back in 2007/8, but perhaps it hasn't changed.

I'm remembering that France might also have been on that list, but perhaps not to the same degree as Japan.
 
I remember there being a rumor that Ritalin is not allowed in Japan and even athletes that had a TUE for it we're not allowed to take it during the Tokyo games. I'm going to have to look that up to see if it was true or not, but it struck me as very unusual that a country would ban Ritalin.
Ritalin is banned in some countries, but I don't know about Japan. ADHD is itself a highly controversial diagnosis.
 
Ritalin is banned in some countries, but I don't know about Japan. ADHD is itself a highly controversial diagnosis.
I dont even want to click on your link in order to preserve my blood pressure. As someone who has/had adhd (it often gets better with adulthood) and had to suffer from „oh but it is controversial“ till the point where I was in a clinic for depression because adhd ran amoc with my daily life, I would ask you to be cautious with any claims like that.
Links are easily shared.
Opinions formed without much knowledge.

But it is people like me who have to suffer the consequences.
 
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A quick Google search for "sports performance anxiety treatment with antidepressants" returns the names of pills, in case you're curious. There are also stories about how these pills help athletes. I'm talking about anxiety, not depression. There are specific antidepressants for treating anxiety. Anxiety and depression can come together, but not necessarily. As for side effects, ritalin, which Simone Biles was taking for ADHD, also had plenty of them, but the gains were obviously stronger.
I can see how something like Xanax could help performance in cases of bad performance anxiety. The thing about stuff like Benzos is that once you take them long enough, you develop tolerance and that includes tolerance for the side effects. Now if a normal person* takes a therapeutic dope of Klonopin, I can see them not performing well even in sports. But if someone overwhelmed with anxiety takes the same dose then the anxiety takes away most of the CNS suppressant effects. At least that's what it does for me and most people I know who have GAD or other disorders. It's why some people take a pill and almost immediately fall asleep while for others they are flat out useless as a sleep aid unless we double or triple the dose.
*I don't know how else to describe it. I could've said someone without any anxiety disorders.

Simone Biles and Ritalin. I remember she clarified that she stopped taking it about a year after the Rio games. I'm saying this because when the Valieva scandal broke out, a lot of Russians were saying look at the Americans, their biggest star couldn't perform because she wasn't allowed to take her drugs in Japan. I've never been on Ritalin or Adderall, so I don't know what they do to you or if the benefits really outweigh the side effects in sports.
 
Simone Biles and Ritalin. I remember she clarified that she stopped taking it about a year after the Rio games. I'm saying this because when the Valieva scandal broke out, a lot of Russians were saying look at the Americans, their biggest star couldn't perform because she wasn't allowed to take her drugs in Japan. I've never been on Ritalin or Adderall, so I don't know what they do to you or if the benefits really outweigh the side effects in sports.
I guess they forgot the 2018 and 2019 seasons where Simone was the anchor for the American team, who won Worlds both of those years, and she herself won the AA-title at Worlds during those years as well. Not to mention a bunch of other titles and medals she collected during those two seasons.

Sure, she was looking more tired during the 2021 season but she was still medaling and winning things, upping her technical difficulty, and competing at a high level at an amazing consistency. It was just at the 2020/21 Olympics where things came to a head for her. Many former gymnasts, including Soviet ones, publicly supported Simone during that time and shared their own moments of suffering from similar issues she had. Not to mention that there was COVID and other issues at play, like her dealing with the emotional fallout of the Nassar scandal and being a spokesperson as one of the victims, and we know what that can do to a person.
 
I dont even want to click on your link in order to preserve my blood pressure. As someone who has/had adhd (it often gets better with adulthood) and had to suffer from „oh but it is controversial“ till the point where I was in a clinic for depression because adhd ran amoc with my daily life, I would ask you to be cautious with any claims like that.
Links are easily shared.
Opinions formed without much knowledge.

But it is people like me who have to suffer the consequences.
I know firsthand [edited out], and my partner has ADHD. That's the reason I've been reading a lot about these conditions. These are not my personal claims.

As for Russians and retalin, it is banned in Russia. I dislike Rodnina, but I agree with her claim. Russians should surely learn the system better if they want to participate in it and get more TEs. But it wouldn't hurt anyone to understand that the Anglo-Saxon system is not universal. Retalin is just a convenient example to illustrate it. It is banned in some countries, while in others it's commonly used. In the same way, meldonium is common in some countries while it's not known in others.
 
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I know firsthand what generalized anxiety disorder is, and my partner has ADHD. That's the reason I've been reading a lot about these conditions. These are not my personal claims.

But then you can perhaps be more careful sharing claims that aren't yours, and that perpetuate certain stigma whether you mean it to or not. :)

Some ADHD medication can feel life-changing initially when you struggle with brain fog/executive function. I can't imagine not having something so vital as an athlete if they need it.
 
As somebody who has greatly benefitted from an ADHD diagnosis and from the treatment thereof, I didn't initially read @_Lola_ 's post as stating it was her opinion, nor did I think it was necessarily false to state that the ADHD diagnoses is "highly controversial" because it kind of is as many countries (and people in Western countries) still debate about whether it exists and their policies reflect that attitude. Unless I'm missing context, and if I am, then I apologize.
 
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But then you can perhaps be more careful sharing claims that aren't yours, and that perpetuate certain stigma whether you mean it to or not. :)

Some ADHD medication can feel life-changing initially when you struggle with brain fog/executive function. I can't imagine not having something so vital as an athlete if they need it.

I gave a link to a website on mental health help led by American MDs. One of the controversies around ADHD is that there is an opinion that it's overdiagnosed among kids. There was also a spike in diagnosing it in the UK and the US. There are plenty of counterarguments—for instance, that it's underdiagnosed among adults. I don't try to convince anyone anyway, as it's not the right place to do it. I understand that I'm not in a position to be heard here. I joined the conversation because of Karen-W's statement that it's suspicious that so many Russian figure skaters are caught doing doping. I think Rodnina's argumnet partially explains this.
 
I dont even want to click on your link in order to preserve my blood pressure. As someone who has/had adhd (it often gets better with adulthood) and had to suffer from „oh but it is controversial“ till the point where I was in a clinic for depression because adhd ran amoc with my daily life, I would ask you to be cautious with any claims like that.
Links are easily shared.
Opinions formed without much knowledge.

But it is people like me who have to suffer the consequences.
ADHD is not something that one size fits all. Sometimes a person with ADHD could have other corresponding problems as well. I had heard of Ridlan and side effects. My niece has it along with other things she was born with. She is a bit slow, but also excellent in computers, internet etc. She was put on Ridlan but at the request of her parents dosage was never increased after 8 as they would rather have the real her....not the robot she became on reg. dosage of Ridlan. She is in her twenties now, holds a job and participates in special Olympics and has loads of friends.
 
That must be a unique experience. Personally, I find my ADHD to seriously interfere with my life and medications do not in any way make me into a robot. I teach special education students and haven’t found that any of my students are made into “robots” by their medication. I think it’s a pretty harmful idea to perpetuate that medication makes you not your real self.
 
That must be a unique experience. Personally, I find my ADHD to seriously interfere with my life and medications do not in any way make me into a robot. I teach special education students and haven’t found that any of my students are made into “robots” by their medication. I think it’s a pretty harmful idea to perpetuate that medication makes you not your real self.
Word. And funnily sth that is only ever said while talking about mental illnesses and medication and not, say, the flu.
There is still a stigma there that is not there with non mental illnesses.
 
My stepson has severe ADHD and with medication is doing well in college. But often during school vacations he stops taking it because he doesn’t like what he describes as a blanket on his personality. We can always tell when he’s not taken his pills that day.

I think there as many views and reactions on these medications as there are people who take or took them.
 
that is different from saying Robot. Ritalin makes you able to concentrate and stay calmer if you have adhd (and makes you be hyped up if you do NOT have adhd just like coffee often has this reversed effect on people with adhd)
So of course it changes your day in several regards and under Ritalin you might not be as everywhere-at-once-and-with1000-ideas-per-minute
Which is good in university settings but might not be necessary during vacation
Furthermore the need varies with age so to try out days without meds is always good.

But the illness itself and medication are so closely scrutinized that many many children dont get the treatment they deserve or need in the fear of „oh they are just wild children and the parents cannot cope with them and then just dope them“ (which is as ridiculous as doping children with coffee but well…)
And knowing myself how dire a life can be if you dont get treatment as a child, I wish people who only read a couple of ill researched newspaper articles of adhd would shut up about it and other people would take care in exactly what they say because it can be so very harmful to affected children who are then not treated rightly

But I shut up about this now since it is harmful for me to keep discussing it since it brings up so many bad memories for me
 
Back when I skated it was all athletes who made it to Nationals. If you were in the funding envelopes or on the National team you were subject to USADA testing year round. For the skaters who made it to Junior Nationals, non-international levels, and made it without being a National team member you were only tested once: at Nationals itself. This meant even adult and collegiate synchro skaters were tested. I don't think they actively tested Juv/Int skaters in synchro, but they did for singles at Junior Nationals.

I'm not as in the loop about how it goes these days, but they no longer test everyone who makes it to Nationals. It seems they now keep the testing solely to those on the National team, those who receive funding, and those who are close to making the National team.
USADA publishes the list of athletes they test during the year.
The numbers of samples collected by USADA per skater in 2023 so far is:


Brandon Frazier
4​
Isabeau Levito
4​
Ilia Malinin
4​
Gage Brown
3​
Oona Brown
3​
Nathan Chen
3​
Vincent Zhou
3​
Evan Bates
2​
Jason L Brown
2​
Madison Chock
2​
Caroline Green
2​
Alexa Knierim
2​
Michael Parsons
2​
Bradie Tennell
2​
Starr Andrews
1​
Jean-Luc Baker
1​
Nathan Bartholomay
1​
Emily Bratti
1​
Christina Carreira
1​
Emily Chan
1​
Jeffrey Chen
1​
Karen Chen
1​
Maximiliano Fernandez
1​
Amber Glenn
1​
Kaitlin Hawayek
1​
Tomoki Hiwatashi
1​
Spencer Howe
1​
Gabriella Izzo
1​
Jimmy Ma
1​
Katie McBeath
1​
Valentina Plazas
1​
Anthony Ponomarenko
1​
Camden Pulkinen
1​
Ian Somerville
1​
Lindsay Thorngren
1​
Katarina Wolfkostin
1​

 
Lying liars and the lies they tell:


:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Philipp Shvetsky: No one knows the exact cause of what happened with Kamila Valieva at the Olympics; we are still trying to figure it out. Despite a powerful five-level defense before the Olympics, this happened. The question is – how? After all, Kamila was surrounded by professionals who knew how to work, what to do.

As for my guilt in this matter, I am indeed guilty. And I am not sure if I will ever forgive myself for it. We did not protect Kamila, and it is a fact of guilt for all of us. Again – I feel guilt for her. But I must exclude myself from the list of suspects in this story.

Vaitsekhovskaya's response:

In my understanding, if a person responsible for medical support considers themselves guilty and voices it, then perhaps they should have acknowledged their guilt a bit earlier, not one and a half years after the incident occurred.
 
Wow. That's astounding. And hilarious. Just what I needed to read during my lunch hour today (really, I needed that laughter).
the really funny thing is he skirts the truth so closely like yeah, you are responsible and yeah, you probably were astounded because you had a team of people around her to make sure this didn't happen. It's just the part where he pretends she never took anything that's a lie.
 
the really funny thing is he skirts the truth so closely like yeah, you are responsible and yeah, you probably were astounded because you had a team of people around her to make sure this didn't happen. It's just the part where he pretends she never took anything that's a lie.
Oh, the best part was him being called into RUSADA after the Olympics and being asked what he'd learned from the Beijing 2008 rowers incident - in my head I'm all "I learned how to hide the doping better, until now..."
 
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