Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

[Wyliefan]

If ever a person needed some self-awareness ...

 

[On My Own]

If ever a person needed some self-awareness ...

I think she's well aware of what she did here Maybe we can claim she's "brainwashed", but I think she's fully aware what this means.

 

[coppertop1]

I'm not really surprised by any of this. I have no doubt that everyone is telling her she hasn't found anything wrong. Russian nationalism is a cult and Russian figure skating is part of the cult, especially Sambo 70. I don't think Kamila will challenge it until she gets older.

 

[Vagabond]

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/07/1155014898/its-been-a-year-since-the-biggest-debacle-at-the-beijing-winter-olympics

DONOHUE: I have to be honest, there were multiple times that I would look at that email and go, oh, my God. I forgot that I'm waiting on a medal. It's been so long that it's not even relevant.

 

[VGThuy]

She can pop her head back inside her hood. I'm with Louis who said it was a clear publicity stunt.

 

[skatfan]

Christine Brennan article:

Olympic team figure skaters are still waiting for medals a year after Beijing Games. Why?

A year since Kamila Valieva's positive drug test forced cancellation of medal ceremony, USA TODAY Sports questioned major players involved in drama.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Karen-W]

Christine Brennan article:

Olympic team figure skaters are still waiting for medals a year after Beijing Games. Why?

A year since Kamila Valieva's positive drug test forced cancellation of medal ceremony, USA TODAY Sports questioned major players involved in drama.

www.usatoday.com

So, a bit more info from WADA and the ISU in this article.

WADA and the ISU received the fully reasoned decision from RUSADA on Jan 26, 2023 and the complete case findings on Feb 2, 2023. It's going to be a LONG time before this gets resolved. Paris 2024 for the medal ceremony might be optimistic.

 

[BittyBug]

It's going to be a LONG time before this gets resolved. Paris 2024 for the medal ceremony might be optimistic.

But, but, but....

"The IOC welcomes the announcement by WADA to conduct a ‘full review of the RUSADA decision’ in order to ‘consider what its next steps will be so that the matter is dealt with as quickly as possible and without further undue delay.’”

Yeah, right. I wonder if these people listen to themselves. It's been a year already, and as you said, it's going to be a LONG time before this is resolved.

 

[Bigbird]

This is just bullying and gaslighting 101.

 

[coppertop1]

So, a bit more info from WADA and the ISU in this article.

WADA and the ISU received the fully reasoned decision from RUSADA on Jan 26, 2023 and the complete case findings on Feb 2, 2023. It's going to be a LONG time before this gets resolved. Paris 2024 for the medal ceremony might be optimistic.

The sad thing is that the skaters from the Team Event have Miss their moment. Nothing came bring it back. The closest is a ceremony in Paris 2024 or Milano 2026.

 

[BittyBug]

This is just bullying and gaslighting 101.

Bullying? Who is bullying whom and how are they doing it?

 

[On My Own]

She can pop her head back inside her hood. I'm with Louis who said it was a clear publicity stunt.

Louis, privately never forgotten because he's a citizen of our brains.

 

[Bigbird]

Bullying? Who is bullying whom and how are they doing it?

That's the easy part.
1. They rationalize the use of performance enhancing drugs by saying it's needed to support the training regimen of their skaters.
2. Second, they declare the rules are outdated and need to be ammended. They create the narrative that these strategies are needed at this level of sport. They are just being penalized for preserving the well being of their athletes.

3. They have created the narrative that the rules don't apply to them and the actual following of due process by penalizing K. Valieva is politically motivated. They keep on repeating it with a view to change perception and bully those who disagree with their methods. They actually see sport as war, IMHO, and are willing to do anything and everything for that goal.

4. What do we normally do with bullies? I tend to agree with Vasiliev (Latvian Skater) on this one. Pandering to a group that is bold facedly unsporstmanlike will ultimately backfire. From now on there will always be questions when Russian athletes do well and they did that to themselves.

 

[BittyBug]

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[coppertop1]

And the fact that this was posted by Valieva (or maybe more accurately, her manager?) Feels calculated. It puts attention on her and not on Russia or the coaches, who are the real problem.

 

[Bigbird]

And the fact that this was posted by Valieva (or maybe more accurately, her manager?) Feels calculated. It puts attention on her and not on Russia or the coaches, who are the real problem.

It's they way they're groomed to believe. They think they're made of teflon that everything just bounces off them. Sad.

 

[MacMadame]

That's the easy part.
1. They rationalize the use of performance enhancing drugs by saying it's needed to support the training regimen of their skaters.
2. Second, they declare the rules are outdated and need to be ammended. They create the narrative that these strategies are needed at this level of sport. They are just being penalized for preserving the well being of their athletes.

3. They have created the narrative that the rules don't apply to them and the actual following of due process by penalizing K. Valieva is politically motivated. They keep on repeating it with a view to change perception and bully those who disagree with their methods. They actually see sport as war, IMHO, and are willing to do anything and everything for that goal.

4. What do we normally do with bullies? I tend to agree with Vasiliev (Latvian Skater) on this one. Pandering to a group that is bold facedly unsporstmanlike will ultimately backfire. From now on there will always be questions when Russian athletes do well and they did that to themselves.

Gaslighting, yes. Bullying, no.

 

[Vagabond]

U.S. Olympic figure skating team waits for silver medal that could turn to gold

If it's determined that Russia, the Beijing 2022 gold medalists, violated anti-doping rules, Team USA, the silver medalists, could be bumped up a notch.

www.nbcnews.com

Quotes from Vincent Zhou.

 

[Bigbird]

U.S. Olympic figure skating team waits for silver medal that could turn to gold

If it's determined that Russia, the Beijing 2022 gold medalists, violated anti-doping rules, Team USA, the silver medalists, could be bumped up a notch.

www.nbcnews.com

Quotes from Vincent Zhou.

This must be what Trusova was ranting about. Eteri knew that Valieva was positive but had chosen still for whatever reason to let Valieva compete. It is incredulous to this day that her positive test result was not known. For this very reason alone, Russia should be stripped of the gold medal. The medal would have been theirs if they simply substituted a clean skater but they chose not to and we have what we now have.

 

[her grace]

This must be what Trusova was ranting about. Eteri knew that Valieva was positive but had chosen still for whatever reason to let Valieva compete. It is incredulous to this day that her positive test result was not known. For this very reason alone, Russia should be stripped of the gold medal. The medal would have been theirs if they simply substituted a clean skater but they chose not to and we have what we now have.

How are you so sure Trusova was clean?

 

[On My Own]

How are you so sure Trusova was clean?

Why would Valieva's sample be bungled up and not Trusova's? Even though Trusova was injured that season? You'd think she'd also need it.

Why would RUSADA get their OGM hopeful into this mess and not the other two, who had no prayer of winning until all that happened?

Innocent until charged and proven guilty.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

The idea that Valieva skated when they knew she had a positive test is wild to me. Why would russia care about Valieva specifically so much that they would throw away gold medals. They didn't need her to win gold in the team (obviously) or in the individual (since Anna did). If they knew she had a positive test, they'd just have put in Liza.

Most likely they knew doping was going on and they expected to continue to not get caught and continue to get a pass from the IOC as they have so far.

 

[antmanb]

I know, i know, its FSU but really haven't we discussed every possible eventuality about who knew/didn't know Valieva's test was positive and what could/should have happened in the Team Event to avoid what did happen? We have literal pages of these things do we really need to get on that merry-go-round again?

 

[Rukia]

It doesn't make any sense to me that any one in power in Russia knew they would get a positive test and still let her skate. She would have either 1) received some type of minimal sentence (if they found out after Euros or Russian nats) so they could say they took care of it or 2) mysteriously gotten an injury so they could quietly take her out and not lose out on their team gold. They don't care about Valieva individually and would still have gotten gold with either of their other women skating. So I do believe that the timeline they have given about when they knew about the positive is most likely the only real thing about any of their story.

 

[Coco]

Unless they thought that 'for sure' the test results wouldn't come back until after the ladies event? And just wanted her to have her moment knowing they'd thumb their nose at WADA and IOC and forever cast aspersions on everyone who moved up a place?

None of this really makes sense.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

Unless they thought that 'for sure' the test results wouldn't come back until after the ladies event? And just wanted her to have her moment knowing they'd thumb their nose at WADA and IOC and forever cast aspersions on everyone who moved up a place?

None of this really makes sense.

Maybe it was one of those “the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing” situations?

 

[Firedancer]

I think they knew she and likely others were doping and they thought she would get a negative test, as she has in the past. But something went wrong this time and she still had some of the drug left in her system at nationals. Maybe they gave her too much or it took longer than expected to get out of her system. But I don’t think they expected the positive test.

 

[Lilia A]

I don't think they knew she was positive or that her test would come back positive. If they had, they would've quietly sent her home claiming an unfortunate injury and put one of the other two in the TE. Meanwhile, Rusada would've applied the same penalty they want to apply now and Wada maybe would've been satisfied with it since no one would've known about it. And about what Trusova meant by you knew all along, I don't think we'll ever know, unless she defects one day and takes her family with her. Speaking out against an "honoured coach" in Russia can be dangerous. I know she was in the middle of a mental breakdown and when that happens you're not aware of things such as having cameras on you, but also when that happens you tend to spit out the truth and your true feelings, I should know, I've been there, so I think she knows something we don't.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

My guesses are that she either meant that Eteri knew that she wasn't going to win over Anna and Kamila even if she threw a bunch more quads than them or she meant that Eteri knew others were doping.

 

[On My Own]

I know, i know, its FSU but really haven't we discussed every possible eventuality about who knew/didn't know Valieva's test was positive and what could/should have happened in the Team Event to avoid what did happen? We have literal pages of these things do we really need to get on that merry-go-round again?

Maybe if you'd written "carousel" people would have got your point