Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

[tony]

I am hearing this from reliable sources but take it for what it’s worth at the moment. Miner out. Gonna assume the announcement is Chen, Zhou, and Rippon.

 

[misskarne]

Oh, no. Poor Ross.

I mean, he had no BOW but that's still a bit shitty.

 

[Lanie]

That’s what I’ve heard too.

I’m not happy.

 

[Jarrett]

Not really surprising and he was never in the Olympic team to be out of it or at least worded that way.

 

[Karen-W]

Not one bit surprising, when you have the "body of work" discussion. Miner clearly doesn't have the same level of international results of either Zhou or Rippon.

 

[bardtoob]

I wish Grant was on the Olympic Team.

I would be less upset if Adam did not just leave out elements (single jumps with no apparent effort to do multiple rotations) because he was caught up in his own mind and forgot he was in the middle of a competition program.

 

[Spun Silver]

Let's hope the execution was quick and that he didn't suffer too much.

 

[becca]

I would go with the podium myself but if they are going to argue body of work it is not fair to drop Zhou.

 

[aftershocks]

I am hearing this from reliable sources but take it for what it’s worth at the moment. Miner out. Gonna assume the announcement is Chen, Zhou, and Rippon.

You're trying to break it to us easy, or scoop the announcement?

What's the scoop on 4CCs and Worlds assignments?

 

[Vagabond]

if this is true.

If one wants to use any criteria other than finishing order at Nationals, it should be the ability to withstand pressure, which is best demonstrated by .... finishing order at Nationals.

 

[Lanie]

I didn't hear anything about 4CCs or Worlds but talk is Ross is out but it's just from sources, so I dunno. I wonder if Tony and I heard it from the same person.

 

[caseyedwards]

You can’t say no silver medalist has ever been dropped before because obviously 1994 ladies but that was with 2 spots and now you have three and the silver medalist was dropped and declared a meaningless loser interloper!

 

[aftershocks]

I would be less upset if Adam did not just leave out elements (singles with no apparent effort) because he was caught up in his emotions.

It's a reflex when a skater pops a jump, not that they aren't making any effort. We fans are way to quick to jump on skaters without any actual personal experience or knowledge of what they go through day in and day out for 4 1/2 minutes of competition do or die.

 

[Lanie]

It's a reflex when a skater pops a jump, not that they aren't making any effort. We fans are way to quick to jump on skaters without any actual personal experience or knowledge of what they go through day in and day out for 4 1/2 minutes do or die.

A lot of us here ARE skaters

 

[aftershocks]

^^ Great. Have you ever competed at Sr Nationals in the final group for a spot on an Olympics team?

 

[bardtoob]

It's a reflex when a skater pops a jump, not that they aren't making any effort. We fans are way to quick to jump on skaters without any actual personal experience or knowledge of what they go through day in and day out for 4 1/2 minutes of competition do or die.

That is not an excuse. Even if Adam fell on his a$$ on two jumps in a row, that would have been better.

 

[Lanie]

No, but we know what it's like to skate, to pop jumps, to not live up to expectations or do poorly.

A pop is a pretty damning error. It sucks Adam didn't skate that beautiful program well last night but it is on him.

 

[bardtoob]

^^ Great. Have you ever competed at Sr Nationals in the final group for a spot on an Olympics team?

Have you?

 

[Jarrett]

 

[aftershocks]

That is not an excuse. Even if Adam fell on his a$$ on the second jump in a row that he did that it would have been better.

Ah, I'm making no excuses for anyone. I'm just saying it was a reflex. Whether or not any of us are competitive figure skaters, you can't think of an equivalent in your own life that you wish you had a do-over. It's going to be hard enough for Ross and for Adam without blaming Adam for stumbling over the finish line with those two crucial lapses. What would the committee have done had Adam placed ahead of Vincent. Probably still bumped Ross for the Olympic team.

Whatever happens, we shall see how it all pans out. Figure skating can be a cruel sport.

 

[bardtoob]

^^ Great. Have you ever competed at Sr Nationals in the final group for a spot on an Olympics team?

Ah, I'm making no excuses for anyone.

I am actually more interested in knowing if you competed at Sr Nationals in the final group for a spot on an Olympics team.

If not, then you owe @Lanie an apology for demanding criteria you yourself can not live up to.

 

[aftershocks]

Have you?

No. I'm not setting myself up that I have either. I'm saying that none of us know. I was addressing @Lanie who said many here are skaters. I'm not a skater, so I'm asking what @Lanie's personal competitive experience has been, not trying to start an argument or a pile-on or a knife-fight.

Don't worry he/she is detached.

I'm a she @Jarrett. I said in another thread that I was a detached observer of the ladiezzz discipline, not that I'm detached from figure skating in general, nor from the men's discipline in particular.

 

[aftershocks]

If not, then you owe @Lanie an apology for demanding criteria you yourself can not live up to.

No @bardtoob. I don't have anything I need to apologize for saying. You are the one misconstruing, jumping to conclusions and getting upset for whatever reason.

 

[Jarrett]

No. I'm not setting myself up that I have either. I'm saying that none of us know. I was addressing @Lanie who said many here are skaters. I'm not a skater, so I'm asking what @Lanie's personal competitive experience has been, not trying to start an argument or a pile-on or a knife-fight.



I'm a she @Jarrett. I said in another thread that I was a detached observer of the ladiezzz discipline, not that I'm detached from figure skating in general, nor from the men's discipline in particular.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that you were honestly asking Lanie if they have been in the final group of Nationals? And that you weren't being petty or sarcastic? As if that would be the only person with an idea what pressure as a competitive athlete can feel like? You are a piece of work.

 

[bardtoob]

It's a reflex when a skater pops a jump, not that they aren't making any effort. We fans are way to quick to jump on skaters without any actual personal experience or knowledge of what they go through day in and day out for 4 1/2 minutes of competition do or die.

No. I'm not setting myself up that I have either. I'm saying that none of us know.

No @bardtoob. I don't have anything I need to apologize for saying. You are the one misconstruing, jumping to conclusions and getting upset for whatever reason.

Look. Emotions are high. We all love figure skating. You and I can be laser sharp at picking people apart, but I am not going to do that. However, it did seem like you were saying you did know while @Lanie does not yet you also do not, and that is a very dirty way to hold a conversation.

I think Ross should go because Adam looked so out of it that it was as if Adam was doing intentional singles while Ross completed a clean program with a clean quad.

 

[DBZ]

I guess it turns out Adam's mom was on the selection committee.

Low blow, I know, but someone would've said it eventually. Might as well get it out of the way.

 

[aftershocks]

Look. Emotions are high. We all love figure skating. You I can be laser sharp at picking people apart, but I am not going to do that. However, it did seem like you were saying you did know, and that is a very dirty way to hold a conversation.

I think Ross should go because Adam did not even look he popped jumps while Ross completed a clean program with a clean quad.

Yep indeed, emotions are high, and lot of misconstruing of tone and intent is going on here too. We are not all going to hold the same opinions. I already said in the other thread who I would pick to go to the Olympics: Nathan, Ross, Adam.

Vincent URed most of his quads and he didn't particularly perform well on the GP either. USFS set the criteria to make Olympic team selections based on body of work, so that would tend to go against Ross over the last couple of years, not against Adam. However, I think actual performances should be looked at rather than necessarily placements since the judging is inconsistent and variable from event-to-event.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that you were honestly asking Lanie if they have been in the final group of Nationals? And that you weren't being petty or sarcastic? As if that would be the only person with an idea what pressure as a competitive athlete can feel like? You are a piece of work.

What is this about from you Jarrett? What's your real beef? What are you really upset about? I was not even addressing you. Lots of negative accusations coming from you, which are uncalled for.

 

[bardtoob]

I guess it turns out Adam's mom was on the selection committee.

Gosh, that made me feel better!

 

[jmtfti]

If this proves true, I think it's an absolute shame that it really does turn out to matter less to absolutely deliver on the day than to build up a decent (but not world-beating) resume.

Body of Work makes sense to me when it comes down to a case where leaving a skater off the team could actually alter the outcome of an Olympic or World podium, or if it's Worlds and there's legitimate concern about securing spots for the following year if adhering just to Nats results. Nathan would have a huge case if something insane had happened for him here. But I just don't see that Adam's good Grand Prix series -- which included a couple of events that missed some big name guys, it's probably relevant to recall -- is worth knocking off the silver medalist who substantially outskated him here, today, at the season's highest pressure event. I would feel better skipping over Zhou simply because third/fourth are a little more comfortably interchangeable, but even so, I'd prefer to stick with the podium for this event and tweak things instead for Worlds, where spots are on the line.

 

[bardtoob]

. We are not all going to hold the same opinions. I already said in the other thread who I would pick to go to the Olympics: Nathan, Ross, Adam.

ME TOO!!! . . . What a pair we are