Repercussions of Papadakis' book & Cizeron's response


One of the things that has really shocked me is the theme of IAM coaches mocking & trashing other teams and encouraging their skaters to do the same. (Also mentioned in the thread @clairecloutier posted). I thought that when IAM really started getting more successful in 2014/15/16, there was a lot of messaging about the importance of a healthy training environment. Did things change as the centre got bigger, or was it always just a front?

I found it very difficult to enjoy watching Euros this week. So much around this sport is toxic and there is evidently no appetite at all from the governing body to tackle it.


All the other segments shared were fairly horrifying, but this one in particular just made me depressed about the state of the sport.

IAM was advertised as a refuge, and this just comes across just like what it was meant to replace, and at some points worse. Implying that there is no other option is fairly insidious, it comes across like an abuse tactic
 

One of the things that has really shocked me is the theme of IAM coaches mocking & trashing other teams and encouraging their skaters to do the same. (Also mentioned in the thread @clairecloutier posted). I thought that when IAM really started getting more successful in 2014/15/16, there was a lot of messaging about the importance of a healthy training environment. Did things change as the centre got bigger, or was it always just a front?

I found it very difficult to enjoy watching Euros this week. So much around this sport is toxic and there is evidently no appetite at all from the governing body to tackle it.
Quite a few years ago I was told by someone very close to IAM (parent of a skater) that they set a very good standard when it came to standards of behaviour and sportsmanship.

However that was what I was told back then.
 
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Have been reading the comments and was not sure whether to post. Decided to add my two cents. In full disclosure, I have not read the book. I am terribly sad over the entire situation for Gabi and believe her truth reflects what she experienced in her personal life and professional/skating career. There are situations that many of us can probably relate to, whether it be trying to manage a skating career and make the best possible decisions to achieve goals (and we know it takes a village, which is well provided within training centers like IAM) or in our business/professional lives. Who doesn’t feel like they haven’t been heard at one time or another? Who hasn’t had conflict that is really hard to navigate and arrive at a positive outcome? Who hasn’t felt overwhelmed or felt that their options were limited to make things better? And who hasn’t felt that there are others around them that for some reason are able to navigate the challenges better? From the comments, it sounds like she could not find a way to reset the environment, was miserable, felt she was diminished and chose a different path that would be more positive for her. All those are great steps. But I am not going to take sides as there are many stories of success and happiness as there are of Gabi’s negative experience. Teams at IAM do largely support each other and the environment. FB and C seem to genuinely be happy/thrilled skating together and it isn’t because FB defers- on the contrary I see enormous strength in her.

With that, I wish healing and positive energy around Gabi and a wonderful future. She seems to thrive on creative innovation (skating, singing- what a beautiful voice- and writing as examples) and I sincerely hope she continues to pursue the experiences and people who appreciate her and lift her up.
 
One of the things that has really shocked me is the theme of IAM coaches mocking & trashing other teams and encouraging their skaters to do the same.
It is saddening indeed but I don't think that's one bit surprising.

Over the years, I've heard of those "kill the opposition" / cooptation-based aristocratic mentalities in ice dance which comes from the origins of ice dance (russian mentality and european aristocratic mentality), widely spread among coaches and judges. Gabriella talks about it in her book.

For example in France, I listened to interviews of Haguenauer and he has always shown the utmost contempt about all things Arribert (about Zoé and Pierre-Loup occasionally beating Elodie and B E N O I T around 2006 ; on Candeloro's podcast a couple of years ago, about her saying in a minor local journal that she had a little center with little means trying to maintain high level ice dance in France, compared to the expensive and extensive factory that is Montréal; he didn't even name her, he said "on a dit", like in "someone has said" and he was speaking to rectify the "misinformation" that Montréal was expensive). Arribert gave an interview in 2011 where she was fuming against that killer mentality and negativity that Zazoui had about other centers, refusing simple competition to even exist.
Zazoui was pretty much handed a monopoly by Gailhaguet around 1998, probably in exchange for political support. He killed her professionally in 2014 when Haguenauer left for Montréal, followed by Gabriella and Guillaume. She had the same discourse than IAM. She had "the one and only" school.

I may be wrong but I think Zazoui was pretty much standard european ice dance mentality of the 70s-80s and that she doesn't hold a candel to the ferocity of the russians. And I think there are enough european and russian ice-dance coaches who settled in Northern America to have spread that culture.

(I'm curious about the Brits actually, since they are the inventors of the discipline and that the french ice-dance program was born from Roger Kennerson's teaching)

But by the most interesting return of karma, for the last 12 (when Gailhaguet killed Lyon) to 6 years (when Gailhaguet left the stage), it's the dancers whose schools/teachers (Danièle Marotel, Catherine Glaise, others ...) were evicted from high level by the Zazoui school and Gailhaguet that have been building the golden generation I'm talking about. For nearly 30 years, one could believe that french ice dance was Lyon, Zazoui, Haguenauer. The coming years will show it was always a very partial POV. There is no better karma than the longtime despised ones finally biting the butt of the snobs.
 
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Teams at IAM do largely support each other and the environment. FB and C seem to genuinely be happy/thrilled skating together and it isn’t because FB defers- on the contrary I see enormous strength in her.
Careful. Exactly the same narrative was built around Papadakis/Cizeron. Since the very beginning of his new partnership, all is about him skating with his "best friend". It was never said they were best friends before. That's the first thing I took note of, months before I read Papadakis' book. I remember, at Masters, asked by a journalist "how it felt to skate with one's best friend", they did not provide any meaningful answer, just "well, it's rather nice". That's when I started thinking it was some kind of PR stunt. I can of course be wrong, it's just a feeling. Another one: I'm unsure Fournier-Beaudry is allowed so much spirit independance. When she was skating with Sörensen, she already looked in awe of him and submissive, letting him do the talking to media for instance. She did exactly the same, batting eyelashes and looking at Cizeron adoringly at previous competitions. Until Euros. I noticed she started talking much more at press conferences for instance. I wondered about he reason of that change. Is she now feeling more at ease or was she told to be more assertive after Papadakis' book made headlines? She doesn't look as shy as Papadakis could be, that's for sure. But to me, she never looked as a woman who does not defer to men in the past, and she still doesn't look like this.

Not long ago, I published THIS. (Had no time to publish a translation but Google and Bing translators can make a decent one). I receveid positive feedback from former female skaters and some fans. But the main reactions were from haters who accused me of spoiling "such a beautiful sport". Said beautiful sport is quite ugly seen behind close doors but nobody want to hear of it. The lies have a a bright future. I'm not sure Papadakis' book will change so many things, unfortunately. Abuse and silence are so deeply rooted in FS that it will take decades before it really changes.
 
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Not long ago, I published THIS. (Had no time to publish a translation but Google and Bing translators can make a decent one). I receveid positive feedback from former female skaters and some fans. But the main reactions were from haters who accused me of spoiling "such a beautiful sport". Said beautiful sport is quite ugly seen behind close doors but nobody want to hear of it. The lies have a a bright future. I'm not sure Papadakis' book will change so many things, unfortunately. Abuse and silence are so deeply rooted in FS that it will take decades before it really changes.
Thank you for sharing @cholla! ETA that I've posted your link on my X account.

[On X] "some of us put together a brief primer outlining the sexual assault case that’s been following the TikTok-viral ice dance partnership of Laurence Fournier-Beaudry and Guillaume Cizeron (FB/C) with sources. please feel free to share the website directly" https://x.com/2axelbot/status/2009698616965992685

 
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She notes that her coach, Patrice Lauzon, referred to Cizeron’s behavior as “abusive” but said he didn’t want to get involved (pg. 219).

:duh:

I would love to know Lauzon's response to that. There is nothing other than a public apology and vow to be better (certainty not a denial) that would make him look good.
 
On a happier note, Gabriella is launching a dance performance tour (14 cities in the US, none near me sadly) entitled Seasons. Cast includes The Browns, Rohene Ward, Alissa Czisny and more. Info at www.icedanceinternational.org.
thank you! just purchased my tickets... rohene was always a favorite of mine but i've never had the chance to see him skate in person so that's a nice bonus :respec:
 
Great article @cholla, thanks for sharing.

General comment regarding the toxic culture in figure skating that I can't ignore and I think it's gets ignored by a lot of people around here. People tend to need things black and white. They need a villain to point their finger at to make it all neat and tidy for themselves to judge and condemn from our sides of the keyboard.

There are posters here that have absolutely decided who the villains are here in this particular story while themselves showing some pretty problematic behaviour and posts over time that only embolden the environment they appear shocked and dismayed at.

Might benefit us all to read cholla's article a few times while looking at what we ourselves are doing online that embolden the kind of behaviour her sources share. Because there are absolutely posters here that make some pretty problematic comments about skaters ( or just women in general ) who seem to think the villains here are just the institution, IAM and Guillaume. From the translations I have read it seems the "abuse" and patterns Gabby endured during her career started with her mother.

Just as Giulliano* confesses to his guilt by saying nothing but is now doing his part to change the culture I think a lot of us need to look at what we do to perpetuate the culture. And look deep because some of the biggest finger pointers here need to check themselves as well.
 

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