Polina Edmunds has withdrawn from 2016 Worlds, replaced by Mirai Nagasu

Completely agree with Polina on this.
& this is one of the worst aspects of the "new" judging system. The short program just does not matter and is really unnecessary. What is the point of a short program now?
Short program used to be do or die under 6.0.

I completely disagree. One of the things I loathed about the short program under 6.0 was that one mistake in the short program could doom your chances of winning or medaling. I actually love the fact that someone can have a poor short but skate lights out in the long and do well rather than having 2 more mediocre skates take the top prizes (or having a skater given breaks for a bad long because he/she had a great short). It's great to see BOTH phases counted in the final score. And if you want an explanation of why its wonderful not to have one segment of the competition heavily weighted toward the finish, its Trixie Schuba being a World and Olympic champion while Janet Lynn either placed lower down or out of the medals completely.

Polina had a marvelous competition, but Gracie had what was arguably the skate of her life at Nationals, where she was mad, fought for it and showed some genuine emotion. Polina's freeskate was frankly a borefest, and having her dolled up like a young version of Bette Davis in "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" in a misguided attempt to pull off Scarlett O'hara simply didn't help.

And while I agree that canned blather from skaters does get old, Polina is getting in to a habit of continually suggesting that the judges are treating her unfairly, when they aren't at all. She is still maturing as a skater, and her mouth needs to mature with her.
 
Completely agree with Polina on this.
& this is one of the worst aspects of the "new" judging system. The short program just does not matter and is really unnecessary. What is the point of a short program now?
Short program used to be do or die under 6.0.

Gracie was well behind Polina in points after the SP and had to be judged significantly higher in the FS to overtake her. It's only because Gracie was judged (and technical paneled ;)) significantly better than Polina in the FS that she was able to overtake her.

However, Gracie still placed 2nd in the SP. If she had been 2nd (or 3rd) in the SP under 6.0, no matter how big the gap in scores, she would've only needed to be judged the slightest bit higher than Polina in the FS to win overall. (That's assuming Polina would've been 2nd in the FS, which isn't a given. Ashley's score was quite close overall and her PCS were higher, which is the tiebreaking mark under 6.0). So in that type of situation the SP performance matters much less to the overall result under 6.0 than IJS.
 
As much as I hate the overtrained, canned, inoffensive comments that skaters make after going through media training, I think Polina might need a refresher course in what to say to reporters. Or at least in how to express her opinion without sounding poorly-informed as well.

I think a special, intensive training session for Edmunds, Gold, and Wagner would do them a world of good. :)
 
It's too late for Ashley! But yes, Gracie and Polina seem to need some help. Although I am not sure Polina would accept it. She is a stubborn, confident young lady, and I say that with considerable admiration. For the most part it's a huge asset, and if she doesn't mind the fallout when she says dumb or arrogant things, why should I?
 
Completely agree with Polina on this.
& this is one of the worst aspects of the "new" judging system. The short program just does not matter and is really unnecessary. What is the point of a short program now?
Short program used to be do or die under 6.0.

I still prefer the new system in this regard because the gap between the 1st and 2nd place actually matters. Under the 6.0, all a skater had to do was - place in the top 3, and have an equal opportunity to win overall by winning the LP. The SP performance actually matters in the new system.

I agree with you about the do or die nature of SP under the 6.0 system. Penalties for errors were higher and the skaters had to skate really well, so as to not fall below the 3rd place.
 
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It's too late for Ashley! But yes, Gracie and Polina seem to need some help. Although I am not sure Polina would accept it. She is a stubborn, confident young lady, and I say that with considerable admiration. For the most part it's a huge asset, and if she doesn't mind the fallout when she says dumb or arrogant things, why should I?

I think she is just young. She will grow up.
 
It's too late for Ashley! But yes, Gracie and Polina seem to need some help. Although I am not sure Polina would accept it. She is a stubborn, confident young lady, and I say that with considerable admiration. For the most part it's a huge asset, and if she doesn't mind the fallout when she says dumb or arrogant things, why should I?
I see it as denial, not confidence. She denies lipping, URing and keeps complaining of unfair judging. If she and her team truly buy into their own propaganda, they may not be motivated to fix the problems with Polina's skating.
 
I see it as denial, not confidence. She denies lipping, URing and keeps complaining of unfair judging. If she and her team truly buy into their own propaganda, they may not be motivated to fix the problems with Polina's skating.

To be fair to her, I remember reading her addressing her UR issues this season (I could be misremembering that). As to her lipping, she may have denied it last season when she was getting those calls but she hasn't had one edge call all season since the GP series.
 
We love the "let it all hang out" realness of Russian figure skating interviews; I'm not going to jump on Polina for her failure to follow the media-trained nice-nice. Losing undoubtedly stung, and if this had been at Worlds Gracie would have been buried after that short.

When has Gracie ever been buried in the SP?!?! International judges love Gracie more than national ones!
 
When has Gracie ever been buried in the SP?!?! International judges love Gracie more than national ones!

IKR? Last year Worlds, anyone? Polina skated clean, Gracie bombed, and they still ended up in the 2nd group for the free. :saint:
 
To be fair to her, I remember reading her addressing her UR issues this season (I could be misremembering that). As to her lipping, she may have denied it last season when she was getting those calls but she hasn't had one edge call all season since the GP series.
If anything, she got lucky at Nationals with the edge call or lack thereof. I don't recall her admitting to UR but it's good if she did.
 
I completely disagree. One of the things I loathed about the short program under 6.0 was that one mistake in the short program could doom your chances of winning or medaling. I actually love the fact that someone can have a poor short but skate lights out in the long and do well rather than having 2 more mediocre skates take the top prizes (or having a skater given breaks for a bad long because he/she had a great short). It's great to see BOTH phases counted in the final score. And if you want an explanation of why its wonderful not to have one segment of the competition heavily weighted toward the finish, its Trixie Schuba being a World and Olympic champion while Janet Lynn either placed lower down or out of the medals completely.

Polina had a marvelous competition, but Gracie had what was arguably the skate of her life at Nationals, where she was mad, fought for it and showed some genuine emotion. Polina's freeskate was frankly a borefest, and having her dolled up like a young version of Bette Davis in "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" in a misguided attempt to pull off Scarlett O'hara simply didn't help.

And while I agree that canned blather from skaters does get old, Polina is getting in to a habit of continually suggesting that the judges are treating her unfairly, when they aren't at all. She is still maturing as a skater, and her mouth needs to mature with her.

Your first sentence is essentially why I prefer IJS to 6.0. I'll take points over placements any day.
 
She sounds so whiny. Gracie crushed her in the long program...which was what needed to happen for her to win. A person can win a competition and not win the long program but when there is a 10 point difference... Well... She is in serious denial.
 
I agree with those who want Polina to keep her SP for next year. For LP I think Prokofiev's Cinderella waltz would be nice for her. Not twee, modern, requiring mature presence which I hope to see one day. http://youtu.be/YOV7yWEv54o

I have a bad feeling we will get another precious, princessy program though that "emphasize her balletic sass, or sassy balleticism" or whatever her team deludes itself into yet again.
 
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Edmunds has a lot of problems and possibly thinks too highly of herself. She is about at the same level of Maria Sotskova, and Sotskova is extremely consistent. Both have borderline UR problem and lacks speed, power, character, transition...the list can go on. I liked Polina's programs Olympic season. Her skating was raw but perky and interesting. In my opinion she has not improved much since. Her programs these past two seasons put me to sleep.
 
To be fair to her, I remember reading her addressing her UR issues this season (I could be misremembering that). As to her lipping, she may have denied it last season when she was getting those calls but she hasn't had one edge call all season since the GP series.

If anything, she got lucky at Nationals with the edge call or lack thereof. I don't recall her admitting to UR but it's good if she did.

IIRC, she got some generous rotation calls at Nationals. I suppose everyone did, but no one can expect that at Worlds.
 
I think people confuse honesty with whining. "I think in an ideal world, my SP lead and clean performance in the LP should carry more weight in the final placements. Now that I have consistency down, I'll be able to get my GOE and PCS in a place that prevent something like that happening again." <- Honest, not totally canned or PC, yet in spite of a preference for a certain way of scoring, takes personal ownership over her wins/losses and shows awareness of what can be done to take her skating to the next level. The problem with Polina's quote is that it's one in what seems to be a seasonal tradition of complaining about a result/call and totally shifting blame to everyone and anyone but her or the people directly responsible for her skating's development. As has been pointed out, the biggest issue with this is that is that it calls to question the ability of her and her team to see the areas of improvement that are needed to be put her on par with a Gracie that skates lights-out. One slip in a quote when disappointed is forgivable, but you can't deny the pattern that has developed here between the edge calls, URs, and now -- important of the SP in proportion to the LP or something.

I honestly didn't understand the gushing over Polina's SP this season; I think it was the first program since 13-14 that had a clear purpose behind it, however, and I think it succeeded in the sense that it did have people talking about her presentation in a more positive light (despite the best attempts at ruining that via GWTW). What more obvious vehicle is there to show off your musicality, clean basics and SS, and mature presentation than 'Moonlight Sonata' is there? I may be giving too much credit in assuming that after being scrutinized for the immature impact of her LP last season and brouhaha over her edges and what not, that this was a calculated move; while that may be true and may also seem to prove the thinking explained in the last paragraph false (i.e., her team does see her problems and addresses them), for me -- it only reinforces my belief that she needs a new choreographer at the very least. This wasn't the year for choosing the most obvious choice; it didn't push her in a way that is needed at this stage of the cycle. It merely showed that she has followed the expected trajectory one would have assumed she was on after seeing her 13-14 LP. It was obvious then and is obvious now that she has a lot of special qualities but unless you are going to reinvent the wheel (see: V/M's 'Carmen,' which had it not been done already, would be fantastic for an Edmunds' LP), warhorses are not the way to climb when you're stuck in the bottom half of the top 10 with clean skates.

I loved her 13-14 programs. They showed versatility and an above-average relationship to different musical rhythms for someone her age. The fast-paced SP felt more like a SD and its speed and energy did well to minimize the appearance of any URs or slight awkwardness that may have otherwise been more obvious at that point, while the LP showed that her feeling for the music was natural and the rather unfamiliar backdrop enhanced that since it was clear it wasn't a case of emulation/imitation. It really shouldn't have been that difficult to get her PCS into the top tier by now after that debut, but instead of building momentum, a deafness to the chatter about her LP packaging last year sent them into 'safe mode' for this season and it's all just very underwhelming. I want to see a high-energy SP next year, whether something fast again like the Cha-Cha or something more understated like a 'Hip Hip, Chin Chin,' with a modern LP complete with unitard. 'Rite of Spring,' maybe? Again, I'm thinking of something along the lines of Carolina's Mozart or V/M's 'Carmen.' I think she was capable of pulling these kinds of programs off as early as last year, and will be disappointed if the safe route is chosen once more.
 
I don't mind "I wuz robbed" whining in interviews, freedom of speech and all that, but I do agree that it's a shoot-myself-in-the-foot practice especially when it's off base. I also think it's easier to get away with if you retire. If you're still in the game, better to zip it.

I also miss the technical vs free of 6.0 but c'est la vie. That was then and this is now, and now we have a short and a long. Get over it. It's a bit odd to hear this complaint from someone so young. She's not Janet Lynn.
 
I hope Polina capitalizes on her unique qualities - her height, her ballet training, her steely confidence - and gets unique and daring music and choreography next year.

She has the the potential to stand out from the pack - not just her look on the ice, but her ability to handle pressure.
 
I loved her 13-14 programs. They showed versatility and an above-average relationship to different musical rhythms for someone her age. The fast-paced SP felt more like a SD and its speed and energy did well to minimize the appearance of any URs or slight awkwardness that may have otherwise been more obvious at that point, while the LP showed that her feeling for the music was natural and the rather unfamiliar backdrop enhanced that since it was clear it wasn't a case of emulation/imitation. It really shouldn't have been that difficult to get her PCS into the top tier by now after that debut, but instead of building momentum, a deafness to the chatter about her LP packaging last year sent them into 'safe mode' for this season and it's all just very underwhelming. I want to see a high-energy SP next year, whether something fast again like the Cha-Cha or something more understated like a 'Hip Hip, Chin Chin,' with a modern LP complete with unitard. 'Rite of Spring,' maybe? Again, I'm thinking of something along the lines of Carolina's Mozart or V/M's 'Carmen.' I think she was capable of pulling these kinds of programs off as early as last year, and will be disappointed if the safe route is chosen once more.
I cannot agree more with this. She really needs a choreography overhaul. Still don't understand why she can't just keep working with Klimova.
 
I didn't just think Polina's Olympic programs were good; I thought they were extraordinary for her age.

Skaters just don't lose their innate musicality or performance ability. They just need the right vehicle.

"Moonlight Sonata" was a step in the right direction for Polina. I think "The Lark Ascending" or "Prelude to An Afternoon" would actually make great FS programs for her.

Some skaters have smashing senior starts but take awhile to develop. Take a look at Mirai.

Hopefully Polina will use this time to heal but also really think about what it takes to get to the next level.
 

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