Polina Edmunds has withdrawn from 2016 Worlds, replaced by Mirai Nagasu

If anything, I would say that the growth spurt and boot problems would be reasons to put more emphasis on strong packaging, since that should be unaffected by those things, rather than use those things as an excuse for why we haven't seen her progress artistically.
It doesn't work like that. If you are having problems that impact technique (boots, growing, an injury), then it throws everything off. If you are growing so your center of balance changes constantly, you have to spend a lot of time on your jumps so you don't lose them all. You can't just stop jumping and work on artistic stuff until the growth spurt is over. Same with boot issues.

Agreed. Her Olympic programs were fantastic
They were? :shuffle: (FTR, I thought they were fine. But not fantastic)

I don't find Cohen balletic. Her arms were not expressive at all.
Polina has awesome arms. I wasn't a big fan of the skating when she was little but her arms have won me over now that she's a Senior.
 
After eating my words at 4CC and falling in love with Mirai after her TSL interview, my future wish Worlds team would include both Polina and Mirai.
Yes, Polina and Mirai along with Ashley are my favorites as well. I find Gracie to be highly overrated and find it laughable amidst all the hype that surrounds her, she has never even medaled in a senior level ISU championship. Gold is the most hyped and the least consistent. It's absolutely absurd that someone with her lack of success tried to downplay Michelle Kwan's success by referring to her as "the every other year girl". Meanwhile, Wagner has medaled three times at the Grand Prix Final (1 silver, 2 bronzes) and is a 4CC champion, Edmunds is a 4CC champion, and Nagasu has medaled twice (1 silver, 1 bronze) at 4CC. I am very sad for Polina that injury forced her out of Worlds and I wish her a healthy recovery and look forward to seeing further maturation from her next season. I am excited for Mirai and hope that the positive momentum that she has from Nationals and 4CC will carry her into Boston with a bang! Given the strength and consistency of the Russian and Japanese contingents, it's going to take amazing skating and a miracle for a US medal to occur at Worlds.
 
Poor Gracie. :( Maybe her six Grand Prix medals will cheer her up. And if those don't work, she could take out her Olympic medal. That'd do the trick for me. :)

I would also wear mine everywhere. It's partly in hopes of getting complimentary free things and discounts on merchandise (and products, free ice cream after a meal, etc) everywhere that I go.

I think it would work 1 out of eight times.

I've heard that Alicia Sacramone got upgraded to first class one time because she had her silver medal with her from Beijing. :p
 
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I'm sorry for Polina and I wish for her a full recovery.

I am OVER THE MOON for Mirai - just overjoyed!! Finally back at Worlds where she belongs! A medal, maybe not but I hope she nails both of her programs and places near the top, helping to keep 3 spots for the U.S. women next year!

I'll be cheering for Mirai all the way!! :rockstar::cheer2::respec: :cheer:
 
They were? :shuffle: (FTR, I thought they were fine. But not fantastic)

I might change what I said to "her Olympic programs were fantastic vehicles," because for a skater her age, I think she fit right in with the elite at the Sochi Games. Much of that has to do with her natural ability, but seeing how easily terrible programs can mask that talent, I have to give credit to whoever was responsible for making the decisions that year when it came to packaging, music, choreography, etc.

RE: Gold, regardless of GP medals (though I know using them as the sole evidence to justify her hype wasn't that poster's point necessarily), I agree that she is highly overrated. She is the same age as Sasha Cohen was at 2005 Worlds, and I don't remember the rhetoric surrounding her - by fans, commentators, the media - at that time to be "oh, she's still learning to compete" or "she'll get it together one day." By that time, it was more or less accepted that Cohen was a 'headcase' who was guaranteed at least one mistake in each LP and who, despite two World medals (and two 4th places) and a GPF title (and silver), was largely considered to have failed at realizing her potential. Olympic silver medal and an additional World bronze didn't change that narrative in her final season, either. If a less-than-perfect Gold stumbles onto the podium here in Boston, I have a feeling that the opinion of both skater's careers will be vastly different, even though one has more hardware and was literally one jump away at about 4 major events from being the perfect package of technical, presentation, and competitive skill. One will still be seen as having failed, while the other will be remembered as the savior of U.S. Ladies that ended the drought. Why fans have narrowed their standard of success to a World medal or forgive skaters for having not fully evolved as skaters by age 20 since 2006 when it comes to the opinion of these two skaters is something I'll never understand. Even if Gracie does medal in Boston, I will still be underwhelmed. She will have done so with lower jumps than she showed the potential to have early in her career, and with programs that I think are unmemorable at best and subpar at worst. Her finishing 3rd vs. 4th won't change that. That doesn't mean that she won't change those things - and, thus, my perception of her - between now and the end of her career, though.

It's also the reason I hate the narrative re: Wagner's career. It's likely that at the very least, Gold will surpass her results at Nationals and Worlds by 2018 (4x National Champion, and sneaking onto at least 1 World podium), but even if she does, I may well still consider Wagner to have had a greater career or at least one worth a hell of a lot more than it has been, and will be, given credit for. That new, narrow vision of success defined by winning a World medal has overwhelmed the awesome things Ashley has accomplished. This season, she's proven that she is the total package, attempting the hardest technical content possible (not base mark since that would mean two 3F and 3Z; but a 7-triple, 3-3, 3-1-3 program is the most a lady can do without a 3A) while receiving the 2nd-highest PCS in the ladies field, outnumbered only by the skater who is a clear favorite for the World title and has amassed a huge amount of momentum with her series of wins over the last two years. If you had told me that would happen in 2008 when she debuted as a senior, or in 2011 when it looked like she was about to fade into obscurity, I'd have called you crazy. That alone is worthy of so much respect after years of criticizing U.S. Ladies for stagnating and lacking the difficulty or style to be leading contenders. But, add in her GP and GPF successes, 3 National titles, and consistent placements at Worlds (4th, 5th, 7th, 5th), and you have one awesome career IMO.

FYI, I feel Gold has been subjected to the same unfair criticism, though it usually comes as a more blanketed attack (as in "U.S. Ladies are embarrassing"). My own preferences aside, she and Wagner deserve much more positive commentary than they get for their finishes at Worlds. Having a 1-2 punch capable of winning Worlds (or at least silver) at their best (and 4th-5th last year at their worst) and expected to be well within 13 total points year after year in a tougher international field than there has ever been (skaters like Kwan would have won regardless, but most of the successful U.S. ladies really only ever had 1 or 2 competitive rivals) should be praised more often than it is after years of seeing skaters like Meissner, Czisny, and Flatt crash and burn. Disappointment and frustration over their inability to put it together enough for a World medal is totally justified... its domination of any discussion of the two is unwarranted, though, but of course this is JMO.
 
My curiosity was peaked during TSL's interview with Mirai where she complained a bit about still training and having to be fit
'just in case', but not knowing whether or not she would compete. I get the impression that she had been informed of Edmund's difficulties and as such was probably training harder than the typical alternate might. At the time I thought it might be related to Wagner's issues from a few weeks back. Suffice to say I'm not totally surprised by the recent turn of events and have actually been heading to GSD and checking out the leading threads looking for something along these lines since I saw the interview. Of course, I'm happy for Mirai, but I hate that it has to come at the expense of another skater.

I think it is an alternate's duty to train as hard as ever they do because an injury to a teammate could happen without warning, and with little notice.

What is this source or rumour about a minor injury to Ashley? I hope not!!

USFSA does test skates before Worlds?

Ah so they're trying to take a page from Marta Karolyi and her Kamps? :D
 
That's too bad for Polina. I'm happy that Mirai will get to go - she deserves some good luck.
Yes. Mirai has had the worst luck when it comes to Worlds. In 2008, she was National champion but too young. In 2011, she was 1st alternate (bronze at Nationals, but only two spots), but Rachael Flatt decided not to withdraw despite being injured. In 2014, she qualified under the usual system but was not chosen. Finally, this year, she caught a break. I hope she skates both of her programs clean and lands wherever that places her. She said in her TSL interview that she made a mistake in 2010 by trying to skate for the result in her long program. I hope she follows through on what she learned from that experience.
 
Yes. Mirai has had the worst luck when it comes to Worlds. In 2008, she was National champion but too young. In 2011, she was 1st alternate (bronze at Nationals, but only two spots), but Rachael Flatt decided not to withdraw despite being injured. In 2014, she qualified under the usual system but was not chosen. Finally, this year, she caught a break.

And of course, that break came at someone else's expense (Edmunds), so there's "no free lunch"...there never is. Just the way things go...
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I feel like I've just about given up on Gold (in terms of wanting her to put 2 clean skates together)...yet, I still haven't yet quite 100% done so. Probably will after these Worlds should she slip up again. But - I still think she has a better shot at medaling than Wagner does, considering all things (but to be honest, it's not looking great or likely for either of them).

Wagner has had a respectable career, but it's been clear (to me) for a while now that the world podium is beyond her reach.
 
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Finally Mirai !

Such a bummer that it had to be on the expense of Polina and it must have been such a hard decision to withdraw. Polina showed great promise at Nationals but I hope this setback only drives her even more to get better heading into next season.

I hope Mirai is as well trained as she was at 4CC and I guess it all comes down to the landing of those jumps and the technical panel..I am so happy about the latest jump layout that really play to her strenghts and she should have a great momentum coming in to this competition. I would say that a podium is not realistic (at this point and with her current programs) however, if she does another 4CC and with a better Loop landig in her short, she should be close to a top 6-8 finish which is REALLY an accomplishment when you consider these past few seasons! I do not know how who said it but I really thinks it comes down to the SP and to get that 3F/3T ratified to be in second to last group heading into the free.

How exciting !!
 
The Gold/Cohen comparison seemed a bit out of left field at first but perhaps there's some interesting thoughts there. Both came in 4th at their first Olys and both seemed to crumble under the expectations of hype the following season. At this point in the comparison, Sasha would be heading into 04 worlds still with no world medals, so we'll see how things go for Gracie in Boston. But at this point in their careers, I'd say they were both considered "headcases" who still stood a chance of getting it together and redeeming themselves.
 
Wagner (unlike Gold) won GPF medals as late as last season and almost did again this season. Why is a Worlds medal beyond her reach :confused:

Because the GP Final gives medals to half the participants. Even there, Ashley has normally been middle of the pack -- 3rd or 4th. Weaknesses that push you in the penultimate group or even earlier at Worlds don't have the same impact when everyone skates in the same warmup at GPF.
 
Because the GP Final gives medals to half the participants. Even there, Ashley has normally been middle of the pack -- 3rd or 4th. Weaknesses that push you in the penultimate group or even earlier at Worlds don't have the same impact when everyone skates in the same warmup at GPF.

:huh:

The GPF only has so few participants because there's a qualification process and only the best skaters in the world are invited.
 
Yes. Mirai has had the worst luck when it comes to Worlds. In 2008, she was National champion but too young. In 2011, she was 1st alternate (bronze at Nationals, but only two spots), but Rachael Flatt decided not to withdraw despite being injured. In 2014, she qualified under the usual system but was not chosen. Finally, this year, she caught a break. I hope she skates both of her programs clean and lands wherever that places her. She said in her TSL interview that she made a mistake in 2010 by trying to skate for the result in her long program. I hope she follows through on what she learned from that experience.

Wow, I had forgotten about that! Mirai was indeed too young to compete at Worlds in 2008! And I hope that now Mirai's luck is changing when it comes to Worlds.

And of course, that break came at someone else's expense (Edmunds), so there's "no free lunch"...there never is. Just the way things go...
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I feel like I've just about given up on Gold (in terms of wanting her to put 2 clean skates together)...yet, I still haven't yet quite 100% done so. Probably will after these Worlds should she slip up again. But - I still think she has a better shot at medaling than Wagner does, considering all things (but to be honest, it's not looking great or likely for either of them).

Wagner has had a respectable career, but it's been clear (to me) for a while now that the world podium is beyond her reach.

Yes, everyone here who has kept up with FS news is aware about Polina's injury and of course it is unfortunate. But the hard fact is that this IS a HUGE break for Mirai. It's just too bad it came due to injury of a teammate but that isn't Nagasu's fault.

Fate just worked against Edmunds this time.
 
Wow, I had forgotten about that! Mirai was indeed too young to compete at Worlds in 2008! And I hope that now Mirai's luck is changing when it comes to Worlds.



Yes, everyone here who has kept up with FS news is aware about Polina's injury and of course it is unfortunate. But the hard fact is that this IS a HUGE break for Mirai. It's just too bad it came due to injury of a teammate but that isn't Nagasu's fault.

Fate just worked against Edmunds this time.

Fate had worked against Mirai in 2014. It's good that her turn has come.
 
Thrilled for Mirai. I don't care if she medals. I just hope she places above either Ashley or Gracie. That would be huge for her going into the pre-Olympic year.

She actually had it out? :shuffle: If I were her I would've thrown that shit out after bombing my way out of a gold medal. :scream: :saint:

That's actually a misconception. The USA was so far behind, they would have got silver even if Alicia had stayed on the beam. But yeah Alicia was known for carrying around her medal to nightclubs and stuff. I think they even showed her on TMZ or something pulling it out of her purse.

Wagner (unlike Gold) won GPF medals as late as last season and almost did again this season. Why is a Worlds medal beyond her reach :confused:

Because both of them are headcases when it really matters :)
 
That's actually a misconception. The USA was so far behind, they would have got silver even if Alicia had stayed on the beam. But yeah Alicia was known for carrying around her medal to nightclubs and stuff. I think they even showed her on TMZ or something pulling it out of her purse.

That's like the opposite of cool
 

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