Olympic Team Event: Strategies and Subs! (Threads Merged)

[Dobre]

As Debbie says, Chock & Bates defeated Bobrova & Soloviev at Cup of China so it could be done. Scores in the FD were close & base value was the same, with the same caller who will be at the Olympics.

I think Adam could beat Kolyada, unless Kolyada has the skate of his life.

Adam's season's best score--with a great skate--is almost 10 points behind Kolyada's score from Rostelecom. A performance in which Kolyada fell at least three times. He doesn't need the skate of his life to defeat Adam. Kolyada had two falls and a pop outside of Russia at the GPF and still outscored Adam's SB.

 

[caseyedwards]

Russia is acting very panicked believing bobrova will be banned for her doping history. So then it’s obvioisly s/b for both.

 

[Coco]

Sylvia answered my question about tiebreaking in the team event in the team qualifiication thread in GSD. I believe it is the team with the highest placements. So a team with 1 win, and 3 second places will beat a team with with two second places and two third places.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

Russia is acting very panicked believing bobrova will be banned for her doping history. So then it’s obvioisly s/b for both.

Even if IOC says they are going to ban her she can appeal to the CAS. As WADA itself declared she was at no fault, I can't see her getting banned, even more, she has an excellent opportunity to overturn the verdict if she appeals to the CAS.

 

[caseyedwards]

Even if IOC says they are going to ban her she can appeal to the CAS. As WADA itself declared she was at no fault, I can't see her getting banned, even more, she has an excellent opportunity to overturn the verdict if she appeals to the CAS.

The IOC gave the panel no wiggle room here. Was she declared ineligible? Yes.

• Athletes must not have been disqualified or declared ineligible for any Anti-Doping Rule Violation.
  

 

[Braulio]

Sylvia answered my question about tiebreaking in the team event in the team qualifiication thread in GSD. I believe it is the team with the highest placements. So a team with 1 win, and 3 second places will beat a team with with two second places and two third places.

So this could help China with Sui/Han taking the pairs win on both SP/FS as I don't see the USA taking a win, maybe Nathan with the SP but is not a given

I wonder also if Sui/Han will be skating the team competition at all with their competing just two days later, if they only skate the Short it could still qualify them to the Free skates but there if other couple skate I don't see chinese wining the free hence goodbye bronze medal

Japan-USA-China race will be very very close and come to maybe until the final free skates that will be the Free Dance

 

[skatingguy]

* In this case a virtual tie, don't know how they break it, via total points?

Sylvia answered my question about tiebreaking in the team event in the team qualifiication thread in GSD. I believe it is the team with the highest placements. So a team with 1 win, and 3 second places will beat a team with with two second places and two third places.

Tie breakers for the Team Event

When forming the intermediate and final result, in case of a tie between Teams, the tie breaking procedure will be used taking into consideration
 The highest aggregate Team points per Team from the two (2) best places in different disciplines will break the tie;
 If they remain tied, the highest total sum of the segment/total scores of the two (2) skaters/couples, who build the tie, will break the tie;
 If they remain tied, the highest aggregate Team points per Team from the three (3) best places in different disciplines will break the ties;
 If they remain tied, the highest total sum of the segment/total scores of the three (3) skaters/couples, who build the tie, will break the tie;
 If these criteria fail to break the ties, the Teams will be considered tied.

http://www.isu.org/docman-documents...-qualification-system-figure-skating-v11/file

 

[millyskate]

The IOC gave the panel no wiggle room here. Was she declared ineligible? Yes.

• Athletes must not have been disqualified or declared ineligible for any Anti-Doping Rule Violation.

Yes. I’ve been really surprised at everyone assuming Bobrova would be in Pyeongchang. I can’t see a way, considering the rules.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

She wasn't that is the point, wada declared a no fault, so she is not declared ineligible.

 

[Ka3sha]

Even if IOC says they are going to ban her she can appeal to the CAS. As WADA itself declared she was at no fault, I can't see her getting banned, even more, she has an excellent opportunity to overturn the verdict if she appeals to the CAS.

An agreed list of OAR athletes will be published on January, 29, the preliminary list of participants was discussed with IOC on January,9.
On January, 11 Aleksandr Gorshkov, the head of the Russian Figure Skating Federation, said that they hope that Bobrova won’t have any problems with WADA as it was their fault and not hers, and her name was cleared after all.

 

[Braulio]

I would really appreciate (with al respect) if the Bobrova discussion is taken to other thread

Let the Team Competition be the subject here

Thanks

 

[her grace]

I think China will sub in Yu/Zhang for the FS. No need to wear Sui/Han out and if China's getting a team medal, I expect they want their elder statesman to be a part of that.

 

[chapis]

As Debbie says, Chock & Bates defeated Bobrova & Soloviev at Cup of China so it could be done. Scores in the FD were close & base value was the same, with the same caller who will be at the Olympics.
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It is true, I had forgotten that is the same caller who was in Cup of China

 

[butyrskafanatic]

Aliev will most likely do both programs for the Russian men at the Games. Kolyada might get to do 1, but I doubt it.

Russia and Canada are hard to pick as there are a lot of possabilities to what they might do. U.S is the only easy 1 of the big 3.

Ladies- Tennell and Nagasu split.
Dance- Hubbell & Donohue FD, Shibutanis SD
Men- Chen both
Pairs- Kneirims both

 

[butyrskafanatic]

I also notice France hasnt named their ladies rep yet. What are they waiting for exactly.

 

[chapis]

I also notice France hasnt named their ladies rep yet. What are they waiting for exactly.

Mae has been very happy lately, I hope we won´t get any surprise. She clearly won her spot. Same with L/L.

 

[Anyasnake]

L/L are going they confirmed that in their facebook page. And for Mae that is a no brainer she won everytime against Laurine this season.

 

[butyrskafanatic]

L/L are going they confirmed that in their facebook page. And for Mae that is a no brainer she won everytime against Laurine this season.

I know, which is why I am surprised to have not heard an official announcement and I notice the wikipedia page is still missing hardly anything but the French ladies singles entry.

 

[chapis]

L/L are going they confirmed that in their facebook page. And for Mae that is a no brainer she won everytime against Laurine this season.

so It seems that France does not like to do many fanfares for the selection of their team . Didier has twitter, it is free to write the names in there or on the official page if they have it.

 

[Vash01]

May be this was mentioned somewhere in this thread, but what is the deadline for submitting names for the Team competition?

 

[butyrskafanatic]

Anyway I see it going something like this at this point.

France

Ladies- Meite both programs
Men- Bessegheir both programs
Dance- Papadakis & Cizeron short, Lauriault & Le Gac free
Pairs- Cipres & James both

Canada

Pairs- Duhamel & Radford short, Sequin & Bilodeau long. I dont see D&R wanting to do both programs so close to the individual.
Men- Chan both
Dance- Virtue & Moir both
Ladies- Osmond short, Daleman long

United States

Pairs- Knierims both
Men- Chen both
Dance- Shibutanis short, Hubbell & Donohue free
Ladies- Tennell short, Nagasu long

Russia

Pairs- Tarasova & Morozov short, Zabiiako & Enbert long (if Stolbova & Klimov are out of Games)
Men- Aliev both
Dance- Bobrova & Soloviev both
Ladies- Medvedeva short, Zagitova long

China

Pairs- Sui & Han short, Yu & Zhang long
Men- Boyang both programs or maybe Han does one of the short or long
Dance- Wang & Liu both
Ladies- Li both

Japan

Pairs- Suzaki & Kihari both
Men- Uno short, Hanyu long
Dance- Muramoto & Reed both
Ladies- Miyahara short, Sakamoto long

Italy

Pairs- Marchei & Hotarek short, Della Monica & Guarise long
Men- Rizzo both
Ladies- Kostner both
Dance- Cappelini & Lanotte short, Guignard & Fabri long

I think the 4th and 5th places in Team finals will probably come out of Japan, Italy, and China, with Japan and Italy maybe more likely.

 

[Anyasnake]

James/Cipres are the only Pair team going to the Games for France, they gave up the 2nd spot, so if France qualify, they will have to do both.

 

[chapis]

Yuzuru the LP? Japan probably won´t qualify for the LP. Do you think Yuzu don´t want to participate in the team event?

 

[butyrskafanatic]

Yuzuru the LP? Japan probably won´t qualify for the LP. Do you think Yuzu don´t want to participate in the team event?

I dont think he cares that much either way, and you could say the same for Uno. Japan is extremely unlikely to medal in the Team Event as you acknowledge saying they arent even likely to make finals, and obviously if they dont qualify for the LP they didnt medal ayway, so I dont think it is a huge deal. The individual is the bigger focus for both guys, I dont think either would want to do 2 programs even if they make the 2nd.

I picked Uno for the short since that has been his better program this year and there isnt much to go by on Hanyu, but I dont know. It could be the other way around, but I am sure they wont plan on either doing both even if they make finals.

 

[chapis]

I dont think he cares that much either way, and you could say the same for Uno. Japan is extremely unlikely to medal in the Team Event as you acknowledge saying they arent even likely to make finals, and obviously if they dont qualify for the LP they didnt medal ayway, so I dont think it is a huge deal. The individual is the bigger focus for both guys, I dont think either would want to do 2 programs even if they make the 2nd.

I picked Uno for the short since that has been his better program this year and there isnt much to go by on Hanyu, but I dont know. It could be the other way around, but I am sure they wont plan on either doing both even if they make finals.

Yes, probably depends on Yuzuru, I guess the federation, sponsors etc, will prefer to have to Yuzu at the event just for the rating.

 

[butyrskafanatic]

Yes, probably depends on Yuzuru, I guess the federation, sponsors etc, will prefer to have to Yuzu at the event just for the rating.

Maybe it is better to have Yuzura do the short anyway since he is coming back an injury, and Uno the long if they make it.

 

[Jarrett]

Yuzuru the LP? Japan probably won´t qualify for the LP. Do you think Yuzu don´t want to participate in the team event?

Why wouldn't Japan qualify for the long? France is very inconsistent in ladies (could end up 8/9th) and weak in mens. Japan could get 2nd in Ladies this time and mirror all their results from last time. That should hold off France's ice dance and pairs.

 

[Vash01]

Maybe it is better to have Yuzura do the short anyway since he is coming back an injury, and Uno the long if they make it.

Japan is not in medal contention in the team event. IMO they should save Yuzuru's energy, unless the plan is to use this as a warm up for him. He has not competed in a. Sry long time so it may not be a bad idea for him to do the SP. I am so worried about him that I may not even watch his skate.

 

[wickedwitch]

Why wouldn't Japan qualify for the long? France is very inconsistent in ladies (could end up 8/9th) and weak in mens. Japan could get 2nd in Ladies this time and mirror all their results from last time. That should hold off France's ice dance and pairs.

Italy should have a strong team that could place ahead of them.

 

[Jarrett]

Italy should have a strong team that could place ahead of them.

But Italy made the long programs last time so how it that different?