New Ice Dance training Center in Paris

[kirkbiggestfan]

http://patinage.francais-volants.org/actualites/voir/106/

Fabian Bourzat is now coaching in Paris- Bercy. He left Novi and was seen coaching his Ukrainian ice-dance team in Ukraine. Not sure if they will follow him in Paris.
Nathalie Pechalat is also coaching for the club.
They are creating a high-level training center.

Obviously, Lyon was traditionally the main center in France.

 

[Cherub721]

Awesome!

 

[Debbie S]

Great news for Nathalie and Fabian! Hope their venture is successful.

 

[Areski]

Great news for Nathalie and Fabian! Hope their venture is successful.

Maybe Jean Dujardin will drop by to give some acting tips (duh) Sometimes can be beneficial.

Well he's Nathalie's husband.

 

[Peepsquick]

Great news!
Does anyone know, if Angélique Abachkina will resume training with him?

 

[Moustaffask8r]

Great news!
Does anyone know, if Angélique Abachkina will resume training with him?

I would be really surprise!

 

[Peepsquick]

I would be really surprise!

So, you think she is going to train with Russia?

 

[kirkbiggestfan]

If the try-out with Drozd works out, they will have to move to France. That is if they wanna go to the olympics. Novoselov was hoping to go to the Olympics too but it did not work out for him.

 

[Peepsquick]

If the try-out with Drozd works out, they will have to move to France. That is if they wanna go to the olympics. Novoselov was hoping to go to the Olympics too but it did not work out for him.

So maybe Paris after all ... . Thank you for the explanation!

 

[Moustaffask8r]

So maybe Paris after all ... . Thank you for the explanation!

I would fall off my chair if Russia let Drodz go.... and Angelique with Bourzat... I don't think so!! maybe Lyon or with Papadakis

 

[Tinami Amori]

So, you think she is going to train with Russia?

She is in Moscow now. no comments on plans: https://www.instagram.com/icesmurfette/

 

[starrynight]

Always interesting to see the creation of new ice dance training centres outside of North America. This might be an excellent option for European skaters who can't move to the USA or Canada. I'm always in favour of training options that don't limit elite ice dance training just to those who have the good fortune or means to live in North America (or Russia).

Something to watch over the coming years perhaps.

 

[Bigbird]

It seems to me that greater international exposure would result if she danced for France. Right now the Russian field is stacked with teams the fed has already chosen to invest in. She and Drozd would have to be stellar to even contemplate making the National team for the next quad. I find it odd though that neither of them could find suitable partners in their own country. Do we expect to see their debut at test skates come September?

 

[hanca]

It seems to me that greater international exposure would result if she danced for France. Right now the Russian field is stacked with teams the fed has already chosen to invest in. She and Drozd would have to be stellar to even contemplate making the National team for the next quad. I find it odd though that neither of them could find suitable partners in their own country. Do we expect to see their debut at test skates come September?

I don’t think Russian senior ice dance field is that crowded. Who are those couples the federation decided to invest in? There is Sinitsina/Katsalapov who haven’t been very consistent last season and struggled with injuries the last few years. They are not even in the main team, they are only in reserve. Long term I don’t think they are unbeatable. Stepanova/Bukin have improved in the past few years, but their progress seem to be quite slow. With this ‘fast’ progress they may get to medals when they are around late thirties, but by then they will be retired. Zahorski/Gurreiro have also improved but Again I wouldn’t say they are unbeatable. Popova/Mozgov - the same. Improving but can be overtaken. It’s not as if there are spots that are fully taken.

 

[Bigbird]

I don’t think Russian senior ice dance field is that crowded. Who are those couples the federation decided to invest in? There is Sinitsina/Katsalapov who haven’t been very consistent last season and struggled with injuries the last few years. They are not even in the main team, they are only in reserve. Long term I don’t think they are unbeatable. Stepanova/Bukin have improved in the past few years, but their progress seem to be quite slow. With this ‘fast’ progress they may get to medals when they are around late thirties, but by then they will be retired. Zahorski/Gurreiro have also improved but Again I wouldn’t say they are unbeatable. Popova/Mozgov - the same. Improving but can be overtaken. It’s not as if there are spots that are fully taken.

I must say it was remarkable then what EI was able to accomplish in one season with Ruslan. It appears she pushed herself too hard that first half of the season then had nothing left. Their departure to Igor was a grand mistake.

I hear repeatedly though that dancers in Russia really have to battle for ice time. But Medvedeva complained that it's even harder in Canada. So my question is are the majority of russian ice dancers spoiled rich kids lacking drive and intelligence? I ask this because TAT is thoroughly impressed with the work ethic of S/B while Zhulin needs to comment on the immaturity of Katsalapov publicly?

 

[Moustaffask8r]

It seems to me that greater international exposure would result if she danced for France. Right now the Russian field is stacked with teams the fed has already chosen to invest in. She and Drozd would have to be stellar to even contemplate making the National team for the next quad. I find it odd though that neither of them could find suitable partners in their own country. Do we expect to see their debut at test skates come September?

They need to be released from one country either way!! France might be happy to get rid of them.... Russia, I will be surprise if they would let go of him!!!

 

[Peepsquick]

They need to be released from one country either way!! France might be happy to get rid of them.... Russia, I will be surprise if they would let go of him!!!

I doubt that France would be happy to release her. She is quite an asset and has finally got her French passport. I see France more in need of additional dance pairs than Russia.

 

[Moustaffask8r]

I doubt that France would be happy to release her. She is quite an asset and has finally got her French passport. I see France more in need of additional dance pairs than Russia.

Go watch Corentin video from junior world ... might be an asset but not so sure about France wanting to keep herFrance is ok for next quad they have P/C L/L and Corentin and the partner are coming up too

 

[Peepsquick]

I am a Lagouge-Rahier fan alright but I also loved Abachkina-Thauron. Do you know what made them split? Clash of personalities?

 

[Moustaffask8r]

I am a Lagouge-Rahier fan alright but I also loved Abachkina-Thauron. Do you know what made them split? Clash of personalities?

Well if you look at that famous video from Junior World 2017 where Corenthin clearly says «you will never get me Abachkina», one can only assume that they (mother or daughter went to ask him during competition)... They were seen last year at Worlds in Milan also partner shopping, not even hiding that they were.... Poor Thauron
So I dont think France would be upset to let her go!

 

[Peepsquick]

I didn't understand what you were referring to. Sorry to hear that the partnership ended on such a sour note. I like them both and hope to see them both competing in the coming season.

 

[cholla]

I really doubt France will let Abachkina go. They don't give a damn about the way and the reason she split with Thauron. They have strictly no interest in helping Russia build another dance team who'll be a direct threat to their owns. Same thing for Russia.

 

[Orm Irian]

I really doubt France will let Abachkina go. They don't give a damn about the way and the reason she split with Thauron. They have strictly no interest in helping Russia build another dance team who'll be a direct threat to their owns. Same thing for Russia.

Didn't Bruno Massot say in that interview he did just after the Olympics that France is very willing to let people in but categorically against letting them go unless forced? And with Massot as an example of what can happen when they do, I bet DG will be even more against it now. Likewise Russia might be less likely to release people than previously after they waved Katia Alexandrovskaya goodbye and she promptly started winning all over the place with Harley (I know those two teams are in pairs rather than dance, but it's still got to make both federations leery of making the same mistake twice).

If Abachkina's proposed new partner is indeed Russian I can foresee an irresistible force/immovable object standoff that could last till the end of time...

 

[taz'smum]

If Abachkina's proposed new partner is indeed Russian I can foresee an irresistible force/immovable object standoff that could last till the end of time...

Sadly you are 100% correct, unless of course there is a exchange of a Russian skater for a French one!
(Novoselev <--> Drozd or Stolbova <--> Angelique ??? though both of these options are better for France than for Russia, so highly unlikely)

 

[cholla]

I didn't understand what you were referring to.

Mustaffaskr8 is referring to THIS. (Forward to 6.28)

 

[insideedgeua]

Likewise Russia might be less likely to release people than previously after they waved Katia Alexandrovskaya goodbye and she promptly started winning all over the place with Harley (I know those two teams are in pairs rather than dance, but it's still got to make both federations leery of making the same mistake twice)

This does seem to be the case. I’ve heard that Russia is not at all keen to let Karina Akopova go.

 

[Bigbird]

Sadly you are 100% correct, unless of course there is a exchange of a Russian skater for a French one!
(Novoselev <--> Drozd or Stolbova <--> Angelique ??? though both of these options are better for France than for Russia, so highly unlikely)

But in the end, what for? With all due respect, Abashkina is not as good as she thinks she is. She and Drozd would just be another pair in the Russian pile of ID which is beginning to pile up. Also, she would appear to have greater prospects just settling down and training in France with Bourzat. I don't see Russia releasing Drozd without getting someone of equal value from France. The situation just screams, IMHO, pointless.

 

[Moustaffask8r]

But in the end, what for? With all due respect, Abashkina is not as good as she thinks she is. She and Drozd would just be another pair in the Russian pile of ID which is beginning to pile up. Also, she would appear to have greater prospects just settling down and training in France with Bourzat. I don't see Russia releasing Drozd without getting someone of equal value from France. The situation just screams, IMHO, pointless.

Agree and don't think going to train with B in Paris is an option either.... It seems only option right now is Russia

 

[taz'smum]

Agree and don't think going to train with B in Paris is an option either.... It seems only option right now is Russia

I'd say that Russia is not an option at the present moment, given DG's track record on skater releases.
I might just have a little more first hand experience than your average poster of DG and his track record of not releasing skaters, especially to Russia!

 

[Bigbird]

Agree and don't think going to train with B in Paris is an option either.... It seems only option right now is Russia

Oh well, could it get more pathetic? Why leave the young guy she was training with in Lyon? I see she may have outgrown Thauron and there may have been some friction there as she appears to have been actively searching for other partners while with him, and not very discretely. Hasn't she learnt anything from all that has happened in ice dance within the last two quads?