Mirai Nagasu Cheer thread: Return to Olympus

Mirai has spoken about how much physical energy and mental focus just one triple axel takes, and how much it takes out of her to practice them(and Tom Z has talked about how Mirai thrives on repetition and he's had to practically drag her off the ice so that she does not over-train). I can't imagine how much practicing an 8 triple free skate with a triple axel must take out of you...and it seems like as the games have gone on, Mirai herself and her boots have become more taped up. So Mirai and Tom just need to decide what's best for her and her body. There's still worlds to plan for too. I think people also underestimate what a perfectionist Mirai is, she has talked about how she felt like she disappointed people in 2010 when she didn't medal, even though she came in 4th that year and no one was expecting her to.

I know that a lot of people have mixed feelings on The Skating Lesson, but below is a clip of footage they took the summer of 2015, with Mirai training the triple axel. Tom Z says "You owe the world a clean triple axel". She did it, no matter what happens, she should consider these Olympics a success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDro6HFsbIg
 
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Mirai really should be behind Gabby in PCS. Her choreography and interpretation are not on the same level.

I do not see that in the categories you have highlighted. I recognize Mirai doesn't always pay attention to the expressive details despite having exceptional abilities. Actually, many ladies do not pay attention to expressing the music either through lack of ability or the fact that performing the necessary technical difficulty requires dedicated mental focus which can detract from artistic focus. A tendency toward up-and-down expressive focus happens all the time in singles these days. But I think Mirai has been working on that, and her face is not as emotionless. She's been trying to meld the technical and the artistic more-so. The OTT scrutiny and microscope on Mirai has often been negative and presumptuous.

Gabby has had some problems with her programs all season until she ditched the fp that was simply not her style and not working for her. We spoke about it in Canadian ladies thread early in the season, but it took Gabby until after Skate America to realize she needed to make changes ahead of Cdn Nationals and go back to her last season's fp. It just suits her so much better and she's more confident. The costume and attitude change for her sp also worked. Gabby has good, all-around talent and she's still improving. I do not think she's that far ahead of Mirai on PCS. And she faltered on her money jumping pass that's not as difficult as a 3-axel. So keeping Gabby ahead by virtue of PCS is IMHO rather political (rep/politics-based).
 
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@aftershocks I am writing about the two short programs skated the other night. It makes no difference in the scoring of those two programs that Gabby switched back to a previous long program. It makes no difference that Mirai has been working on her expression and is no longer emotionless. What matter is what they actually did. Mirai went ahead of Gabby in the team event because Mirai skated a better, stronger, more impactful program. In this short, Mirai did not. That is difficult music she has chosen. It requires a level of musical sensitivity that either Mirai has yet to learn, or maybe just has yet to be able to display during competition. Gabby’s program has more transitions, her entry into elements is much more seamless (all that stroking including a couple of big trucker steps Mirai does into that 3A does have an effect on PCS) and Gabby moves her body in a way that indicates a better connection to the music. I also think Gabby demonstrates a better connection to the audience.

Now before I get jumped on, I know the 3A is hard and requires a big set up. I get it. But that is a trade off and clearly Mirai and her team think it is worthwhile. I also mentioned that I think Mirai is undermarked for her Skating skills. Again, given the stroking that goes into the 3A, there will and should be a small hit to the SS Mark, but other than than, 8.04 which is what I think she scored, seems low when compared to the other marks given. She is not at Osmond or Kostner level, but I would put Mirai and Gabby in the same category for SS give or take .2.
 
@aftershocks I am writing about the two short programs skated the other night. It makes no difference in the scoring of those two programs that Gabby switched back to a previous long program. It makes no difference that Mirai has been working on her expression and is no longer emotionless. What matter is what they actually did. Mirai went ahead of Gabby in the team event because Mirai skated a better, stronger, more impactful program. In this short, Mirai did not. That is difficult music she has chosen. It requires a level of musical sensitivity that either Mirai has yet to learn, or maybe just has yet to be able to display during competition. Gabby’s program has more transitions, her entry into elements is much more seamless (all that stroking including a couple of big trucker steps Mirai does into that 3A does have an effect on PCS) and Gabby moves her body in a way that indicates a better connection to the music. I also think Gabby demonstrates a better connection to the audience.

Now before I get jumped on, I know the 3A is hard and requires a big set up. I get it. But that is a trade off and clearly Mirai and her team think it is worthwhile. I also mentioned that I think Mirai is undermarked for her Skating skills. Again, given the stroking that goes into the 3A, there will and should be a small hit to the SS Mark, but other than than, 8.04 which is what I think she scored, seems low when compared to the other marks given. She is not at Osmond or Kostner level, but I would put Mirai and Gabby in the same category for SS give or take .2.

Thanks for expressing your points of view @mag. You have thought this out and you're backing up how you see it with good examples. I still think that Mirai is one of those skaters caught betwixt and between. What hurt Mirai for most of her career was not being backed by her federation. There were times when international judges were giving Mirai more props than anyone did in her own federation. Mirai has seemed to feel the weight of the world on her shoulders at times with all the scrutiny and lack of political support, so that became reflected in her performances. Granted too that Tom Z has more of a technical focus, which means Mirai's artistic abilities weren't receiving as much nourishment. But that's the way of skating today -- go for the points, and give artistry superficial attention and you can still get PCS points out the wazoo if you have the buzz, consistency and political backing, which then helps build your rep. Mirai actually has exceptional all-around artistic and athletic talents that have not been fully tapped and sadly have been too easily dismissed with a lot of harping on her weaknesses.

The only way for any skater to overcome the challenges and obstacles Mirai has faced, is to keep one's head up, have a good team, believe in oneself, and slay. Mirai deserves all the respect she's been receiving for not only hanging in there, but for thriving and taking no prisoners in what is a cruel sport (all the while maintaining her sweetness). She's grown up in the glare of the spotlight and she's managed to survive and make it back to the Olympics, while developing a fulfilling life off-the-ice. In today's world of teenybopper ice princesses, that's the real victory. :drama: I so heart Mirai Nagasu!

I also admire Gabby Daleman. Her career has had a different trajectory, but she's faced some derogatory references being thrown at her skating. Those ridiculous 'refinement' critiques, I believe is what led Lori to taking Gabby down the wrong road with the Gladiator program. Gabby needed forceful Gladiator music, not soft tinkling. I think Gabby is fortunate to have a good choreographer in Lori Nichol, but their choreographic relationship is still evolving, and Gabby still has room for improvement interpretively. But that's a secondary focus for most skaters, since when you land the jumps consistently your PCS automatically rises. The bottom line fact is that Gabby has more political rep after breaking through to land on the podium last season. You could see that knowledge in Gabby's expression after she realized she had been placed behind Mirai in the team event competition.

I'm not saying Mirai is superior to Gabby artistically, but they are both certainly on a par even in the sps we saw the other day. I understand that you see it differently than I do @mag. IMHO, if Mirai was actually focusing on expressing her full artistic potential (that we see glimpses of in her exhibitions), then she would deserve higher marks than Gabby, who is still maturing artistically. IOW, it's not that Mirai needs to mature artistically, she just hasn't been focused on flexing those muscles because she's had to concentrate on strengthening and sharpening her technical abilities, which are more crucial under the current judging system. (Mirai, who may be retiring after Worlds, is 4 years older than Gabby -- not an indication of artistic superiority by any means, but just an observation that Gabby still has more time and more room for improvement).
 
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^ There was another one about how she makes her own butt pads for 3A training. I didn't bother to link it. Clue: she cuts up yoga mats!
 
Figure skater Mirai Nagasu showed her bravery by doing something no other Olympian does
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...g-something-no-other-olympian-does/357743002/

I know that it doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but I think that Mirai was robbed by about two placements. I think that it was tough for her having such a long time between events, her back was taped too I believe. But in the end, falling on a rotated triple axel is nothing to be ashamed of, even if I wish that the sp had its original choreography. Who would have thought that Bradie would have fallen on her lutz toe? Who would have thought that Nathan would mess up in both his sps? It seems like there's not much incentive for women to go for the triple axel these days honestly.

Here's another post-SP interview with Mirai, she's really upset. This past week has probably just been a roller coaster of emotions for her, and I think she put a lot of pressure on herself after how she performed in the team event.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/emotional-mirai-nagasu-disappointed-after-axel-fall

I agree, and OT but I think the distance between Kaetlyn and the Russian ladies is bogus. Her jumps are HUGE and she was only a few points (less than a tenth??) on some of them even with Yevgenia's smallish axel 10 percent bonus or no.

That being said - it's almost time! I hope Mirai has a beautiful Final skate on Olympic Ice!
 
I hope she sticks around for a couple more years to fully realize her potential.

In any case she will always have the glorious moment in the Team competition for the rest of her life.

I was thinking the same thing! Mirai may be like a Carolina - only just now reaching the peak of her powers! But Mirai's FS in the Team event, as well as Adam's skates and Nathan's FS will hold me forever! :encore:
 
Mirai left her best FS in the Team event. It was her best chance for a medal so I'm glad she did it there. Not the FS she hoped for in the Finals but I'm so proud of her! Her dream came true, making another Olympics, she made history, won a medal, is the first woman to hit 8 clean jumps in a FS (in the Team event) and that in itself must be gratifying for Mirai! I'm just so proud of our girl!

So proud of you Mirai! Love you to bits! :respec::rockstar::cheer2::cheer:
 
I am so disappointed that she didn't fight for that skate harder, but if she was having boot problems then I'm fine with it. I agree with the posters above. She achieved her goals here and then some. She can come home proud. And let's see what she does at Worlds. I sure hope she doesn't let post Olympic media pressure keep her from training for Worlds. It is always a tough situation for skaters with Olympic medals.

Anyway, congrats on your historic Olympics, Mirai!!!!!
 
She smiled through that performance, didn’t underrotate and fought through that program. And that smile is like a 100 Walt bulb! Last year she melted down twice after making a major mistake. This time, she held together. She’s grown so much as competitor this season.
 
What an emotional ride it has been for Mirai at these games (and for me as a fan too!)
I am not going to drag on what "if" she had not popped those jumps in her FP and I think after all, what I will remember in the years to come is THAT clean 8 triples Team skate.
I also hope she will be able mentally to regroup for Worlds and finish this rollercoster season on a high note (I think she will)
One part of me would completely understand if she decided to retire after this season and another part of me would love to see her continue skate forever...For sure, she is no Carolina Kostner when it comes to riding on your artistry skills but I admire what Mirai technically has brought on the table at this point in her career :saint:
 
:) Olympic Bronze medal, 1st American Lady to land a 3A at the Olympics, 1st Lady to land an 8 triple LP at the Olympics.

Basically, I give the same consideration to Mirai as I do to Lipnitskaya. The Singles Event is very anti-climatic after performing well in the Team Event.

. . . I liked seeing Mirai smile during the Olympic Singles LP, that she really hit some accents in the music, that she did a 3Lp-2T at the end, and that she was fast.
 
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The time between the team event and the individual event was too long for Mirai. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, as the Olympic games have gone on, both Mirai's body and Mirai's boots acquired more and more tape, and she seemed more anxious to compete and ready to get the individual event over with in each interview.

Anyone who follows skating could have seen the individual results coming for the US ladies, it was extremely unlikely that any US ladies were getting into the top 6 (no matter who they sent...imo...:gallopin1Does the public really see much of a difference between 7th-11th place?). Hopefully we can at least do a little bit better at worlds though....And the media can eff off, Mirai is still my history making bad ass :p She did her job in the team event. Mirai has an instagram story with her grandmother wearing her bronze medal. And I appreciated her comforting Gabby Daleman backstage (another person who I'm guessing probably suffered from peaking at the team event).
 
Mirai on NBCSN right now. Says she hit a rut going into the axel tonight. She came with her bronze medal in her pocket. She loves going through security with it.

She says she wants to show the medal to kids and say that if she can do it at 24 after an eight-year drought, they can do it, too.

She says tonight was about fighting the mental exhaustion. She feels like she's been there a long time. Coming here after the four year wait also was exhausting.

She didn't know her grandmother was there until after she skated. She started crying when she saw her mother.

She says she feels like she's come full circle and is full of pride in herself. She really does seem happy. Yay!
 
The WaShington Post is savaging Mirai for not taking the individual event seriously. :(

When Nagasu earned a bronze medal in the team event, she decided that was enough. She brought that medal with her to the rink for her free skate Friday. She pulled it out for reporters after her skate, a strange twist in an interview most in attendance expected to be more somber.

“It’s been a long three weeks, and we got here, got to walk in the Opening Ceremonies, and then I saved the team event with Adam [Rippon] and the Shibutanis. We were about to lose our medal,” Nagasu said, holding up her medal. “So today, I put my medal in my pocket — here she is — and I said, ‘Mirai, you’ve done your job already. This is all just icing.’ ”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...27a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.8c75442d14dc

It sounds like the long Olympic experience, or the Nats-Olympic experience, just wore her out. Maybe that could have been avoided somehow, but we'll never know. I really hope the media will focus on the amazing things she did accomplish and not beat up on her for what she didnt. And I hope Mirai will start speaking about the individual event in a way that shows she realizes she represented the USA there too, not just herself. Maybe she did (remember her crying and crying after the SP because she let the country down?) and they angled the story unfairly (they certainly had some weird descriptions of her free skate -- see below). The skating journalists are not happy about the performance of the US ladies and Mirai is getting more blame than the others because she's the one who had the highest scoring potential and got the most media attention.

And after Nagasu whiffed on her opening triple axel, she did not actually attempt anything that resembled a jump....[???]

She’d planned a program with nine triple jumps — two more than either of the favored Russians.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...27a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.1f060ca4e8b6

Time Magazine also had that thing about 9 planned triples. Where does that come from??

Another slightly different report on the same Mirai interview:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/wi...h-in-last-olympic-event/ar-BBJtNHD?li=BBnb4R7

And another one. That interview is not going over well and they are making her desire to be on DWTS look ridiculous. Oh dear. They also don't understand how the team event played out and how critical her role in it was.
http://ux.azcentral.com/story/sport...-free-skate-audition-dancing-stars/366029002/

And an even worse one in Sports Illustrated. :(
https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/02...m&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si

And another doozy from the San Diego Tribune:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/la-sp-olympics-figure-skating-hernandez-20180222-story.html
 
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Ummmm, why am I waking up to the media savaging Mirai (I mean, I get for the placements of the US ladies in general, but for her post-skate interviews??). I just read an LA Times article saying that she could earn a gold medal for excuses and blamed not seeing her mother, lack of hot water, skating in the team event (*because doncha know says the writer, all of the top three who won the individual event also skated in the team event), and says that "if the next generation of American skaters fails to develop more resilience, they won't be winning any medals either".
*edit: I re-read the article and it was actually Karen who talked about not seeing her mother (which makes sense given her age), sorry.

EFFFFFF THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! The concept of Mirai not being resilient is frankly hilarious, and just shows how clueless someone who writes this article could be. Mirai was literally crying a few days ago because she thought that she had disappointed her country.

Edit: Annnnd I just read the Sports Illustrated article. Were these people even there for the press interviews, or were they just reading the quotes afterwards? The Sports Illustrated article says she ("blamed her US teammates") by pointing out that the people who skated on the last night of the team event "saved" the team event medal. And Mirai made a reference to Gabby also not having the best night and the writer takes big offense to that and says that Gabby will enjoy reading that, when in actuality Mirai was comforting Gabby backstage, telling her not to cry, and reminding her that she earned a gold medal in the team event?
 
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