Lombardia Trophy 2024 - Men's SP & FS

[umronnie]

I loved Ilia's short but this was really meh. Especially coming after Yuma.
It won't be scored as meh, though.

 

[Holy Headband]

A lot of time spent backing into jumps and not a lot of time spent gliding out of jumps in this program.

 

[PRlady]

That was stunning in a whole different way from Yuma. He clearly loves that rock angst music and he performs it to the cheap seats. And oh yeah, the jumps!

 

[Wyliefan]

Oh yeah, the red was there all along. I see it now in the replays.

So the powerful bombastic part of the music at the end works really well to give him a big finish. But before that, he's putting less emotion and interpretation into it than he did into Succession.

 

[Karen-W]

Did he cut himself, or do a costume change? I'm now seeing red on the shirt where I didn't before. Another dramatik ending.

Yeah, I didn't see the red on the collar at the start of the program - I'm not sure if it was there all along and we just never got a good camera angle of it to start or if there's some sort of lame costume "change" midway through the program that reveals the bloody collar.

 

[Debbie S]

Ilia clearly loves to backflip, but I question including it in his competitive programs. There's not much upside scoring-wise and too much could go wrong.

 

[Frau Muller]

And Ilia wins again by a mile!!! 312+ pts. Over 20 pts above Yuma, overall.

 

[Debbie S]

Scored higher than Yuma in PCS today, too (although lower in skating skills).

 

[PRlady]

And Ilia wins again by a mile!!! 312+ pts. Over 20 pts above Yuma, overall.

Which is too much. Ilia is amazing but so is Yuma. Better jump landings will narrow the gap and Yuma still should be getting bigger PCS.

 

[Lana K]

I love Ilia, but this new FS feels like a step backwards after last year’s? Not sure how the score reflects what he put out on the ice. Winning PCS over Yuma feels a bit silly.

 

[Karen-W]

Oh yeah, the red was there all along. I see it now in the replays.

So the powerful bombastic part of the music at the end works really well to give him a big finish. But before that, he's putting less emotion and interpretation into it than he did into Succession.

He didn't put much emotion & interpretation into Succession early last season either. The bones were there for a good program, and I think the bones are there for a good program with Vampire. We'll have to see how it develops. I need to re-watch to have a better idea of what I think of it overall, but the powerful, bombastic parts of the music in the last minute or so are really good - that raspberry out of nowhere was astounding.

 

[Rukia]

Also I'll say that I thought Succession came across way better in-person (at skam anyway) than it ever did on screen. Ilia has a natural charisma that sometimes doesn't translate as well on camera.

 

[jenny12]

Yuma’s program, especially the second half, was gorgeous. And his movement quality and flow was masterful. Can’t wait for him to skate this program clean.

 

[Karen-W]

FS Results - https://www.fisg.it/upload/result/6511/online/SEG002.htm
Judges Protocols - https://www.fisg.it/upload/result/6...------FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +		PCS +	CO	PR	SK	Ded. -	StN.
1​	Ilia MALININ	USA	205.30​	113.89​		91.41​	9.15​	9.20​	9.10​	0.00​	#22​
2​	Yuma KAGIYAMA	JPN	192.86​	102.12​		90.74​	9.10​	9.00​	9.15​	0.00​	#21​
3​	Shun SATO	JPN	187.49​	100.91​		86.58​	8.70​	8.55​	8.75​	0.00​	#20​
4​	Kao MIURA	JPN	158.33​	71.75​		86.58​	8.65​	8.60​	8.75​	0.00​	#18​
5​	Jimmy MA	USA	156.40​	80.31​		76.09​	7.65​	7.70​	7.50​	0.00​	#16​
6​	Nika EGADZE	GEO	155.56​	82.96​		73.60​	7.20​	7.30​	7.60​	1.00​	#19​
7​	Lev VINOKUR	ISR	152.43​	80.33​		72.10​	7.10​	7.20​	7.35​	0.00​	#17​
8​	Juheon LIM	KOR	149.28​	75.19​		75.09​	7.50​	7.40​	7.65​	1.00​	#13​
9​	Aleksandr SELEVKO	EST	142.97​	67.72​		76.25​	7.70​	7.65​	7.55​	1.00​	#12​
10​	Daniel MARTYNOV	USA	138.00​	64.40​		73.60​	7.45​	7.20​	7.45​	0.00​	#14​
11​	Francois PITOT	FRA	128.40​	64.96​		64.44​	6.50​	6.25​	6.60​	1.00​	#10​
12​	Vladimir LITVINTSEV	AZE	123.77​	65.16​		58.61​	5.55​	5.55​	6.50​	0.00​	#8​
13​	Yong Myong RO	PRK	123.31​	66.21​		59.10​	5.80​	5.65​	6.30​	2.00​	#3​
14​	Ju Won RI	PRK	115.20​	58.09​		58.11​	5.75​	5.75​	5.95​	1.00​	#11​
15​	Alp Eren OZKAN	TUR	114.69​	57.75​		56.94​	5.80​	5.50​	5.80​	0.00​	#5​
16​	Xavier VAUCLIN	FRA	113.70​	41.44​		73.26​	7.25​	7.35​	7.40​	1.00​	#15​
17​	Makar SUNTSEV	FIN	106.38​	41.94​		65.44​	6.70​	6.60​	6.35​	1.00​	#9​
18​	Jonathan EGYPTSON	SWE	106.18​	49.41​		57.77​	5.75​	5.65​	5.95​	1.00​	#6​
19​	Daniels KOCKERS	LTU	97.29​	43.68​		53.61​	5.35​	5.10​	5.65​	0.00​	#4​
20​	Connor BRAY	GBR	96.97​	43.52​		54.45​	5.35​	5.25​	5.75​	1.00​	#7​
21​	Chiu Hei CHEUNG	HKG	95.98​	48.37​		48.61​	4.80​	4.70​	5.10​	1.00​	#1​
22​	Filip KAYMAKCHIEV	BUL	83.03​	39.07​		44.96​	4.50​	4.60​	4.40​	1.00​	#2​

Final Standings - https://www.fisg.it/upload/result/6511/online/CAT001RS.htm

FPl.	Name	Nation	Points	SP	FS
1	Ilia MALININ	USA	312.55	1	1
2	Yuma KAGIYAMA	JPN	291.54	2	2
3	Shun SATO	JPN	285.88	3	3
4	Kao MIURA	JPN	234.75	5	4
5	Nika EGADZE	GEO	232.01	4	6
6	Jimmy MA	USA	229.41	7	5
7	Lev VINOKUR	ISR	227.79	6	7
8	Juheon LIM	KOR	215.54	10	8
9	Aleksandr SELEVKO	EST	209.05	11	9
10	Daniel MARTYNOV	USA	207.01	9	10
11	Francois PITOT	FRA	191.33	13	11
12	Xavier VAUCLIN	FRA	184.71	8	16
13	Vladimir LITVINTSEV	AZE	183.80	15	12
14	Ju Won RI	PRK	180.34	12	14
15	Yong Myong RO	PRK	174.46	20	13
16	Makar SUNTSEV	FIN	166.50	14	17
17	Alp Eren OZKAN	TUR	166.16	18	15
18	Jonathan EGYPTSON	SWE	161.34	17	18
19	Connor BRAY	GBR	152.29	16	20
20	Daniels KOCKERS	LTU	148.67	19	19
21	Chiu Hei CHEUNG	HKG	138.04	22	21
22	Filip KAYMAKCHIEV	BUL	126.92	21	22
WD	Mark GORODNITSKY	ISR

 

[Wyliefan]

Let me clarify, I wasn't knocking the Succession program. I really liked it. What I meant was, I thought it worked better for him and he did more with it than this one, at least so far.

 

[Debbie S]

Looks like the (eventual) 4A is planned to be the 2nd jump, not the first.

Good for Ilia for landing the 4F in both programs here after not doing it last season.

 

[Karen-W]

Ilia clearly loves to backflip, but I question including it in his competitive programs. There's not much upside scoring-wise and too much could go wrong.

Well, the judges seem to like it just fine, lol. He got a +1.8 GOE on his choreo sequence where the backflip happens. Meanwhile, Yuma got a +1.7 GOE for his choreo sequence. That's something for everyone to chew on.

Mind, Yuma DID get +1.64 GOE on his step sequence while Ilia only got +1.25 GOE, so Yuma comes out on top for GOE on those elements combined.

 

[Karen-W]

Looks like the (eventual) 4A is planned to be the 2nd jump, not the first.

Good for Ilia for landing the 4F in both programs here after not doing it last season.

Yes, I would agree - that does seem to be the eventual planned layout. The 4F is definitely a priority for him this season. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 3F+3A seq upgraded to a 4F+3A seq by the end of the season either. And I expect the 3Lz+1Eu+3S to be upgraded to 4Lz+1Eu+3S by season's end also. I do wonder if he's eventually going to try and play with adding the 4Lo somewhere so that he can get all 6 quads completed in one program.

 

[PRlady]

Yuma’s program, especially the second half, was gorgeous. And his movement quality and flow was masterful. Can’t wait for him to skate this program clean.

I just hunted down the Romanza on ITunes. Such a strange collection of music I own from skating.

 

[Karen-W]

LOL - I wanna know what Judge 4 was thinking in only giving a -3 GOE instead of a -5 GOE for his choreo sequence - that's where the tech panel counted the death drop fall, rather than on his spin - generous tech panel there, lol. But, still, Judge 4 was also generous there because the rest of the panel correctly gave it the -5 GOE it deserved, lol.

 

[Frau Muller]

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[Private Citizen]

Haven't watched, but was initially surprised that Malinin was 12-1/2 points ahead despite Kagiyama matching his four quads (with each having an error on one).

Malinin's base value on quad passes was 47.27, compared to Kagiyama's 45.45. Just a 1.82 difference. Factoring in GOE, 51.87 v. 50.47, an even smaller difference of 1.4. So it wasn't the quads.

So where did Malinin rack up points? Primarily on triple jump combos. Malinin had 26.4 base value / 29.61 with GOE on his two triple combo passes v. Kagiyama's 18.56 base value / 20.9 with GOE. Kagiyama probably intended to do 3F+3T, so he left 3+ points on the table. He could also put the 2A after the second 3A to get a bonus on it, but he's still going to come up short.

Of course, Malinin presumably intends that 3Lz to be a 4Lz later in the season.

I wonder if the ISU will relax the "only one quad can be repeated" rule. It was initially intended to stop the likes of Nathan Chen or Ilia Malinin from running away with things. Now that Malinin is filling damn near every box with a quad, the rule may help him. Kagiyama could probably closer if he were able to repeat both 4S and 4T.

 

[Rukia]

ok I finally saw Yuma and literally i cannot love the end of that program more the things he does with his blades are just magical

 

[ChelleC]

I need to watch Ilia on something other than my phone to decide what I think of his free.

Yuma though, that was gorgeous..

 

[sk9tingfan]

I just hunted down the Romanza on ITunes. Such a strange collection of music I own from skating.

Thought of Michelle's SP, then found out that Lori Nichol was his choreographer and smiled.

 

[cailuj365]

Personally, I thought Yuma's program was a bit boring until the last minute, and not even his step sequence was enough to truly save it for me by the end. Loved Ilia's theatricality, and I think it's a great program for him. A backflip that actually works well with the music. He's bringing a different style to figure skating, which this sport absolutely needs. Shun had the best programs of the whole competition, and I would have ranked him ahead of Yuma both segments.

 

[Spikefan]

I’ve only watched Ilia so far and I love the dramatic death on ice ending. Excited to see this live at Nationals and Worlds.

 

[cailuj365]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 3F+3A seq upgraded to a 4F+3A seq by the end of the season either. And I expect the 3Lz+1Eu+3S to be upgraded to 4Lz+1Eu+3S by season's end also. I do wonder if he's eventually going to try and play with adding the 4Lo somewhere so that he can get all 6 quads completed in one program.

The 3Lz sequence could definitely be upgraded to 4Lz, and if he wants to show off all his quads, he could replace the solo 4Lz with 4Lo. But to end the program on a 4F+3A?? I might actually fall to my knees if I see that in real life.

 

[Debbie S]

The 3Lz sequence could definitely be upgraded to 4Lz, and if he wants to show off all his quads, he could replace the solo 4Lz with 4Lo. But to end the program on a 4F+3A?? I might actually fall to my knees if I see that in real life.

I doubt he would replace the 4Lz with a 4Lo since he would be giving up points. The only benefit he would get by adding 4Lo is if he substituted it for the 4S or 4T.

Since he can only repeat 1 quad, I assume he'll repeat the 4Lz to maximize the points.

 

[Karen-W]

I doubt he would replace the 4Lz with a 4Lo since he would be giving up points. The only benefit he would get by adding 4Lo is if he substituted it for the 4S or 4T.

Since he can only repeat 1 quad, I assume he'll repeat the 4Lz to maximize the points.

It's absolutely nuts that we're talking about sacrificing maybe 1 or 2 points when he'd be, theoretically, going for 7 quads, plus another 2 triples in the FS if he was intent on landing all 6 different quads in one program.