LA County Fires / Palisades Fire

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Associated Press article today with photos - Firefighters hope for a break from fierce winds fueling devastating blazes in Los Angeles area:
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The Eaton Fire burning in that area started Tuesday night and has burned more than 5,000 structures, a term that includes homes, apartment buildings, businesses, outbuildings and vehicles.
To the west, the fire in Pacific Palisades, the largest burning in the LA area, has destroyed over 5,300 structures. Firefighters were able to establish the first bit of containment Thursday, but the blaze is already the most destructive in Los Angeles’ history.
Crews also knocked down a blaze in the Hollywood Hills with the help of water drops from aircraft. The fire that sparked late Wednesday near the heart of the entertainment industry came perilously close to igniting the famed Hollywood Bowl outdoor concert venue.
At least five churches, a synagogue, seven schools, two libraries, boutiques, bars, restaurants, banks and grocery stores have been burned. So too were the Will Rogers’ Western Ranch House and Topanga Ranch Motel, local landmarks dating to the 1920s.
Of the 10 deaths so far, Los Angeles Fire Chief Kristin Crowley confirmed two were in the Palisades Fire. County officials said the Eaton Fire had killed five.
Two of the dead were Anthony Mitchell, a 67-year-old amputee, and his son, Justin, who had cerebral palsy. They were waiting for an ambulance to come and did not make it to safety when the flames roared through, Mitchell’s daughter, Hajime White, told The Washington Post.
Shari Shaw told KTLA that she tried to get her 66-year-old brother, Victor Shaw, to evacuate Tuesday night but he wanted to stay and fight the fire. Crews found his body with a garden hose in his hand.
 
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The reports of the empty fire hydrants were coming out within 4-5 hours of the fire's ignition. Exactly how long do you think the water should flow before physics kicks in and makes the hydrants run dry? I understand what the excuse and the physics of the situation is. The point is that the water supply was too low to feed the pipes for even a few hours.
The fire hydrant system is old and was not configured for fighting a major wildfire over thousands of acres. I'd like to know what city has fire hydrants set up for that? None that I know of.

And...re-engineering a major water system costs $$$. That implies major increases in either fees or taxes. My town is working on water infrastructure and has just increased water charges by $40/month. The howls about that have been loud, especially from the senior population.
And, I'm sure next you'll be pointing out how there were homeowners sucking water from the pipes by trying to hose down their own homes - and that's certainly a problem. There are many factors that could have prevented that from happening, but I won't bore you with those except to say that, having lived through more than a few droughts in both California & Oregon, it was pretty common knowledge to not waste water when the weather was dry. If your house wasn't on fire, you didn't have any business hosing it down in the hopes you might prevent it from catching fire.
And yet, that is exactly what folks were doing in the hopes that it would keep their house from catching fire. Kind of the tragedy of the commons, though I can't blame folks for trying to save what is likely their most significant asset.

I lived in San Diego (North County -- where we've had more than a few wind-driven wildfires, one of which burned to within 20' of my brother's house) and in LA, very close to the Palisades evacuation zone. I watched the Mandeville Canyon fire explode back in 1978 (also in high winds) and saw the high winds blow up the Marshall Fire in Colorado from a little wisp of smoke I could see from my PT's office to a raging fire that consumed 1100 homes in 5 hours. Parched land and high winds are pretty much a guaranteed disaster.
 

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Just saw a video of firefighters saving a horse. Amazing that with all they are dealing with they took time to save an innocent animal.

Canada has hundreds of firefighters and other resources ready to deploy to California to help.




Thank you, Canada. ❤️
The help is appreciated, but understand these are reciprocal aid agreements. I saw a tweet yesterday from the President of the Navajo Nation as their 23-member team of Navajo Scouts elite wildland firefighters heading to LA to assist and I know Oregon & Washington have sent firefighting teams & machinery as well.

It wouldn't surprise me if we wind up with firefighters from most of the US and, indeed, across the globe - Mexico & Australia are among the nations who often send mutual aid for these situations - just like LA & California are ready to deploy rapid response teams to assist with natural disasters like hurricanes & earthquakes.

These folks are the best of the best. Wildland firefighting is arduous, grueling work. One of my brothers spent a summer working for the US Forest Service doing just that 30 years ago. The stories he told us I've never forgotten.
 
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Article: "Why Hydrants Ran Dry As Firefighters Battled California's Deadly Fires"

The main point seems to be that many local water systems aren't designed to battle fires that consume a community over a long period of time. Add to that weather that grounds water dropping aircraft, loss of power, and other logistical issues and it becomes even more complicated. One example in the article is a fire crew that had to be evacuated as they were executing their backup plan for water tankers. While a lot of people think of Los Angeles as a monolith, Pacific Palisades (in the city of LA), Altadena, and Pasadena are all separate cities with separate leadership, utility companies, infrastructure, etc. and each one faced similar issues.

 
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Article: "Why Hydrants Ran Dry As Firefighters Battled California's Deadly Fires"

The main point seems to be that many local water systems aren't designed to battle fires that consume a community over a long period of time. Add to that weather that grounds water dropping aircraft, loss of power, and other logistical issues and it becomes even more complicated. One example in the article is a fire crew that had to be evacuated as they were executing their backup plan for water tankers. While a lot of people think of LA as a monolith, Pacific Palisades, Altadena, and Pasadena are all separate cities with separate leadership, utility companies, infrastructure, etc. and each one faced similar issues.

One minor correction - Pacific Palisades is not a separate city and votes in the LA City Council & Mayoral elections. Altadena & Pasadena are, though, separate cities.

Santa Monica, which is immediately to the south of Palisades & had some evacuations earlier this week is a separate city. ANL mentioned to me in DM that he's in West Hollywood, which isn't part of the City of LA, so he isn't able to vote in the city elections.

The City of Los Angeles is a bit of a patchwork, irregular jigsaw puzzle. Google Maps shows this off, but I didn't realize the extent to which it was a patchwork until ANL's comment, which made me curious, so I looked it up. 😀
 

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Morning update - at least 10 fatalities.

Palisades is up to 20k acres & 8% contained, over 5300 structures destroyed.

Eaton is over 14k acres & only 3% contained with at least 5000 structures destroyed. It does appear the efforts to contain the fire around Mt Wilson Observatory & the communication towers have been successful, thank goodness.

Wind warning remains until 6pm PT tonight. Officials expect another Santa Ana event this coming Monday, though the forecasts I've read seem to think the winds will be about half the speed they were at the height of this one. Hopefully the firefighters will be able to make some good progress in containment over the next 3 days before the winds kick up again.

The concern with next week's predicted Santa Ana wind events appears to be further south - San Diego County may be in the crosshairs for the highest winds. 😞
 

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The City of Los Angeles is a bit of a patchwork, irregular jigsaw puzzle. Google Maps shows this off, but I didn't realize the extent to which it was a patchwork until ANL's comment, which made me curious, so I looked it up. 😀

Yeah, it’s weird, West Hollywood is actually in the city of Los Angeles but it’s its own little division so we can’t vote for mayor of LA, only mayor of West Hollywood, etc. It’s like saying you’re in Manhattan. Manhattan is in New York City, but in our case we’re considered separate with our own governing body even though we’re actually in the middle of Los Angeles. When you mail something to my address, you can put West Hollywood or Los Angeles and it still arrives.

So yeah, total patchwork.
 

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And there's another fire that's just sparked on the northeastern side of the San Fernando Valley - called the Archer Fire, it's located on the west side of I-5 in Granada Hills. It's about 1 mile southeast of the Hurst Fire, which is around 38% contained, so it's very possible that the new fire was sparked by embers from it. From the live TV coverage, it does look like they have this one under good control - can't see any active flames, though there's some white smoke rising still.
 

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Holy crap. So, earlier today, LAFD Chief, Kristin Crowley, threw others in the city (Department of Water & Power - DWP) under the bus and now the Daily Mail is reporting that Karen Bass has fired Crowley.


 

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Heard through friends that some of my longtime friends ended up evacuating for the Eaton fire on Wednesday, but are now back in their homes to another family member's home. The adult son, 21, wept when they returned their home. LA schools closed yesterday and today, and my friend who works in one said that less than 20% of the students showed up on Wednesday even though there weren't fires nearby and they closed early.

Tara Lipinski left her home with Georgie, her one-year-old, to go to a friends house outside the fire areas because their home smelled like smoke inside. From my cousin's experience being near a fire in Sonoma County, she will need to get it professionally cleaned to make it healthy to live there.

What a toll this is taking on everyone.
 

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Holy crap. So, earlier today, LAFD Chief, Kristin Crowley, threw others in the city (Department of Water & Power - DWP) under the bus and now the Daily Mail is reporting that Karen Bass has fired Crowley.



Holy crap I saw the start of this earlier today, but did not get to this point

Saw a video of Justine Bateman that someone sent me where she’s so spot on. She says incompetents don’t realize their incompetence.

The videos of reporters and citizens trying to speak to Bass and Newsom and they can’t answer basic questions
 

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Holy crap. So, earlier today, LAFD Chief, Kristin Crowley, threw others in the city (Department of Water & Power - DWP) under the bus and now the Daily Mail is reporting that Karen Bass has fired Crowley.



Oh wait I had seen the end of this video earlier today when she says she does not know how the water gets to the fire hydrant, I thought that was a bad thing .. that the chief of the fire department doesn’t know that.
 

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Oh wait I had seen the end of this video earlier today when she says she does not know how the water gets to the fire hydrant, I thought that was a bad thing .. that the chief of the fire department doesn’t know that.
I don't think she doesn't really know how the water gets to the fire hydrant. She was making sure it was clear that HER responsibility is not to get the water to the fire hydrants and that she had NOT been informed of the reservoir cover repairs, etc. On a general or abstract level she, like all of us, probably knows how the water gets to the hydrants - the water pipes are filled by the water tanks which are filled by the reservoir. Beyond that, it's outside her scope of responsibility to know how the water gets where it needs to be. Furthermore, she had an expectation, not unreasonable IMO, that if the reservoir, tanks, pipes or hydrants were under repair that she would be included in that information loop - which she was not.
 

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Inside the dash to save the Getty Villa from the Palisades fire: a timeline - LA Times article by Jessica Gelt (Jan. 9): https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...-save-the-getty-villa-from-the-palisades-fire
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CNN's Erin Burnett flew over the Palisades Fire disaster area with a helicopter pilot (at 2:35 they talk about/show the Getty Villa museum & grounds and you can see the devastation around it) - 8-minute video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSsglnZAUoE
(Visiting the Getty Villa was one of my LA trip highlights many years ago, which is why I've been posting about it.)
 

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Rain in LA usually happens just a few times between January and March and that’s it.
I lived in the San Diego area for a couple of years in the mid-80s when I was in the Navy. My weather memory is morning fog/smog burn off by noonish, sun, 70s. With a couple Santa Ana winds from Hell. I seriously do not remember a whole lot of rain.
 

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https://manager.everbridge.net/pub/1891642647025454

Jan 11, 2025 03:07:16 UTC
LA City Public Alerts
Wildfire Evacuation Order-Palisades Fire
This is a message from NotifyLA, issued by the Los Angeles City Fire Department: Evacuation order for the Palisades Fire. People in the area of Sunset to Mandeville to Encino Reservoir to the 405 freeway need to evacuate now due to a rapidly moving wildfire. Pack all people and pets into your vehicle and leave the area immediately. If you are not in the mandatory evacuation zone, stay off the roads to allow first responders and evacuees to move quickly. More information, including a map [link: https://lafd.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Media/index.html?appid=ba8cfed4b4a04d49b7489eb8300727a8], can be found at www.lafd.org/alerts

Notify LA
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I lived in the San Diego area for a couple of years in the mid-80s when I was in the Navy. My weather memory is morning fog/smog burn off by noonish, sun, 70s. With a couple Santa Ana winds from Hell. I seriously do not remember a whole lot of rain.

Yes, in San Diego you got the marine layer until around 11/12 pm

We get it in LA in May and June and we call it May gray and June gloom
 

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