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Well damn this girl can't get a break when it comes to partners can she?
Well, no one made her or anyone else pay the fine.

I've not read anything yet about this case so currently trying to catch up & waiting on information like others who are holding off on speculating, but I do have an opinion about feeding a sports fed under Lukashenko.

Not that I would blame anyone for taking the opportunity to leave said federation.
 
Elena Dostatni is the main coach; FlorDes' ISU bio lists Leif Gislason as a coach also.
In case you were wondering how tightly linked this training group is to USFS and what the chances are that anyone within USFS knew of these teenage marriages: Leif Gislason is the husband of Lorrie Parker's daughter Kelsey Parker Gislason. Kelsey was hired by USFS as the senior director of high performance management after publicly supporting John Coughlin and disparaging his victims. Although she was removed from that role, she remained as senior manager of marketing projects and recently became senior manager of sport performance logistics.
 
“Citizenship marriage” i dont think thats a thing these days, Govt sopped it. We have married friends and he has his green card and he cant be a citizen through marriage alone.
1922 was the last year that a woman married to a US citizen automatically became a citizen upon marriage. Since then, all married people had to go through whatever residency and visa, currently green card, requirements were in place, plus moral character and, at various times, renouncing allegiance to the country of their actual citizenship, renounce titles, etc. in the interim before becoming citizens. The US also allows fiances to enter on specific visas, marry their US person within 90 days, and then file the paperwork to transfer their visa status to permanent resident/green card.
 
In case you were wondering how tightly linked this training group is to USFS and what the chances are that anyone within USFS knew of these teenage marriages: Leif Gislason is the husband of Lorrie Parker's daughter Kelsey Parker Gislason. Kelsey was hired by USFS as the senior director of high performance management after publicly supporting John Coughlin and disparaging his victims. Although she was removed from that role, she remained as senior manager of marketing projects and recently became senior manager of sport performance logistics.
...oh

this is kind of making me nauseous to be honest
 
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This is going from bad to worse... Look what DL unearthed about the circumstances under which Desyatov left Belarus/Russia. No wonder the Belarusian fed wanted $25k for his release.


ETA - he's busy mining Russian media sources for interviews that Desyatov has given -


Getting married three months after meeting is insane in any circumstance, let alone at 18 and with this whole situation.
 
is anyone else icked out by that story that Artem got "in trouble" for being in the car alone with his partner and then combining that with them somehow magically falling in love at getting married when she's 18???

I want to give everyone a fair shake but also...yeah....
 
“Citizenship marriage” i dont think thats a thing these days, Govt sopped it. We have married friends and he has his green card and he cant be a citizen through marriage alone.
But getting married can make the process faster and easier. You pretty much are guaranteed to get a green card right after the marriage whereas without the marriage, you'd have to wait.

Re Aboian...

I hope Gregory/Pethukov don't endorse this nonsense. This is crazy. Definitely abusive. SafeSport needs to investigate the coaches and the whole training center.
Given their own history, maybe they are looking at it with rose-colored glasses.

1922 was the last year that a woman married to a US citizen automatically became a citizen upon marriage. Since then, all married people had to go through whatever residency and visa, currently green card, requirements were in place, plus moral character and, at various times, renouncing allegiance to the country of their actual citizenship, renounce titles, etc. in the interim before becoming citizens. The US also allows fiances to enter on specific visas, marry their US person within 90 days, and then file the paperwork to transfer their visa status to permanent resident/green card.
There's even a reality show about this! :lol:
 
No more former Soviet men. These talented US women get burned constantly. Avonley and Bella need to team up. If anyone could make non-gendered Ice Dance become popular it would be them.
The situation is horrid, period. These teenage marriages, misconducts and obvious violations. But come on, you cannot blame everything on so called former Soviet men.

These talented US women (and, most importantly, their mothers and fathers) are pretty happy to skate with them or get married to them in case it helps them to fulfill their dreams or hopes to get to the Olympics. I would ask the parents first and foremost, because if you are ready to marry your teenage child off to some random guy she just paired up with, well, that’s quite a choice.

Also, I doubt for someone like Markelov or Kolesnik marriage was the first goal when they came to the US as teenagers.
 
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My god, this whole thing sounds like a setup for an episode of Law & Order: SVU. Horrific. I cannot believe that the coaches thought this would be a feasible way to citizenship, and I'm also shocked that the skaters and parents just seemed to go along with this just for the possibility of an Olympic trip. Shut down the whole center.
 
My god, this whole thing sounds like a setup for an episode of Law & Order: SVU. Horrific. I cannot believe that the coaches thought this would be a feasible way to citizenship, and I'm also shocked that the skaters and parents just seemed to go along with this just for the possibility of an Olympic trip. Shut down the whole center.

More like an episode of World's Dumbest Criminals. I understand that US citizenship is extremely difficult and marriage makes it easier. I can even reluctantly turn a blind eye to one sham marriage of convenience, with informed consent of all involved, for a talented team with a good shot at the Olympics because there (sadly) is no alternative. But doing it so many times with so many young skaters is going to kill the golden goose. And possibly attract the FBI and other law enforcement. On top of everything else, there's an argument that this is human trafficking. What were these people thinking?!?!?

Safesport needs to suspend everyone involved, especially the coaches. Anyone with knowledge at the USFS needs to be fired and banned from any future involvement with the sport. The FBI needs to raid the rink. The parents of these skaters also need to be investigated for possible criminal charges. If they have any minor children, send in Child Protective Services. This is sick.
 
The situation is horrid, period. These teenage marriages, misconducts and obvious violations. But come on, you cannot blame everything on so called former Soviet men.

These talented US women (and, most importantly, their mothers and fathers) are pretty happy to skate with them or get married to them in case it helps them to fulfill their dreams or hopes to get to the Olympics. I would ask the parents first and foremost, because if you are ready to marry your teenage child off to some random guy she just paired up with, well, that’s quite a choice.

Also, I doubt for someone like Markelov or Kolesnik marriage was the first goal when they came to the US as teenagers.
I can understand this, these young men are here without supports and it’s a different culture when it comes to morality, what’s acceptable in Europe, especially Russia is frowned upon in America. They are also being financed by the girls parents. The coaches and parents have set this situation up.
 
No more former Soviet men. These talented US women get burned constantly. Avonley and Bella need to team up. If anyone could make non-gendered Ice Dance become popular it would be them.
How exactly is Desyatov a "former Soviet man"?
Wasn't he born quite a while after the Soviet Union was dissolved?

And if all "former Soviet men" are the worst and basically worse than Hitler, what would you say about skaters like Malinin, Torgashev etc.?
 
How exactly is Desyatov a "former Soviet man"?
Wasn't he born quite a while after the Soviet Union was dissolved?

And if all "former Soviet men" are the worst and basically worse than Hitler, what would you say about skaters like Malinin, Torgashev etc.?
Oh, we should just lump all European men into the same bucket... Soerensen, Cipres... And then there are the basic white guys like Kerry, Coughlin... and their enablers Zimmerman, Fontana, Sappenfield, etc.

This isn't a "Soviet" or "Russian" problem. This is a SKATING problem.
 
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When Flores/Tsarevski split, everyone came down so hard on him. I am wondering now if the “marry your partner” idea was presented to him and he wanted no part of it so he took off. There is no way that someone just picks up and leaves, with so much at stake after years of training and sacrifice, unless something serious is going on…it didn’t make sense at the time, but it makes perfect sense now.

This whole situation is sick…
 
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This. So much this. No matter what we think of the guys, they are pretty much enslaved as soon as they hit US soil as they have no support outside their enablers.
Yes, and it adds an entirely new psychological layer to the allegations of misconduct that have gotten Desyatov suspended at this moment. Not that it absolves him of any wrongdoing, but it certainly cannot have given him a healthy mindset or sense of control regarding his life.
 
Oh, we should just lump all European men into the same bucket... Soerensen, Cipres... And then there are the basic white guys like Kerry, Coughlin... and their enablers Zimmerman, Fontana, Sappenfield, etc.

This isn't a "Soviet" or "Russian" problem. This is a SKATING problem.
Absolutely. I’m dumbfounded by this. And I think I speak for many that even before the SafeSport case, if I had known the circumstances of Flor/Des I would not have been a fan no matter how good they are. The situation reeks and the parents appall me.

I don’t know if I’m the only one here married to a citizen naturalized by marriage. Believe me ICS is suspicious even of old people like us. I was :lol: that my husband had to remember the dates of my birthday and anniversary and the year we met and the names of family members etc because he has a terrible memory for dates in general. It’s not easy to get past the requirements.
 
It seems everyone involved is culpable to some degree. With more and more information coming to light, it seems this partnership started with questionable behaviour and just got worse and worse.

Ivan left his partner his previous partner to go with Bella pretty much in the same fashion that Dimitry did, with no notice to the partner or coaches. But apparently that was acceptable to Bella and her family when it benefited them. Talk about being hypocrites...

And from there the story just seems to get worse. While Bella may be the least culpable, I'm sure she was fully aware of the situation and was extremely disingenuous and played it out like he was held hostage by his previous federation. If the real story was released at the time, I doubt they would have been able to raise the funds for his release. USFSA would also have been fully aware of the real situation since they would have needed to directly communicate with the Belarusian federation for his release.

But regardless of all the drama regarding their partnership, skating school and USFSA, the biggest issue is still Ivan's suspension from Safesport. All this other stuff is of little consequence or concern as the sexual misconduct is a much bigger crime than anything else and the victim should not be lost in the circus this whole situation had become.
 
This whole situation is sick…
Tsarevski is a native-born US citizen, so that wouldn’t apply, but I also have been thinking about his split from Flores since this news broke. I recalled that we only ever heard about the circumstances of the split from Flores’ perspective, and now it occurs to me that there may have been pressures on him that we were unaware of at the time.
 

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