Then this is hypocrisy. In private you can support anyone, but publicly only the “victim”.
Nowhere in my post did I say they needed to make a statement to support the victim. What they should do is stay out of it publicly and wait for the investigation to be completed (and cooperate, if needed, with said investigation).
But why? I know a lot of celebrities who maintain an excellent image in this way. Although in reality they are disgusting people who completely disrespect women. Wouldn't it be better to let them like such posts?
But aren’t you calling for people to censor themselves when they want to react to another person’s public display of support?
You cannot use it to say with certainty that someone is guilty, that I agree with. You can't use a statistic to throw someone into jail with no trial. But you can use it to infer that there is a high chance that the accusation is true. No one is saying we know what happened with a hundred percent surety. What we are saying is given the information that exists, and the very low incidence of false reports, we are choosing to believe the accuser at this stage.
Why is the concept of free speech does not equal free from consequences so hard to understand? Of course, you can publicly support anyone you want. No one here is saying different. But just like everyone is free to support anyone they want, everyone is free to criticize anyone they want for said support and that is what is happening here.
If you follow Marie France and Nik on Instagram, you can search for who liked Nik’s post and her like shows there.
We don't know that. Maybe they thought it over and changed their minds. Maybe they talked with friends or fellow skaters who said, "Hey, I've been in a similar situation to the victim, and it bothers me that you expressed support for the accused." Maybe it was something else. We can't know their reasons without their giving them.
Sorry, I am not understanding this point. Are you saying that there are people who read the victim's very graphic account and didn't consider it to be sexual assault? To me her description is definitive of sexual assault.
You know people or of people who don't think that the actions so graphically described in the complaint don't constitute sexual assault? Wow.
where did I write that it was about this specific case?
I don't think that the silence of skaters indicates hypocrisy. To argue this is to assume skaters who have been silent believe the accused, and know for a fact that he is innocent, but aren't sharing their knowledge. There are many other possible reasons for their silence. Skaters may not know what to think, they may support the accuser, but want to wait for the results of the investigation before commenting, they may support the accused but be waiting for the results of the investigation. There are many possible reasons for their silence that do not reflect hypocrisy.
I am not sure why you are raising this point in relation to this discussion if you don't think it is relevant? Perhaps you were responding to a different point in the discussion, a more general one, but without that context, it reads as a comment on this case.
Did you read the account? Nothing ambiguous about it. It was straight PIV rape.
Actually, yes. I know a "victim" who happily told her friend that she slept with the guy of her dreams, and the friend wanted to go to the police with her because she considered what she was saying to be rape. I know everyone involved in the story and in fact I always thought that man was a scumbag, but even 20 years later I don’t know what to think. And at the time, this story became a revelation in my small inner circle. we started talking about what is ok and what is not ok. Many of the answers surprised me. But this story helped me build my personal boundaries differently and immediately speak up if something is not okay with me. Things that were obvious to me were not so obvious to others.
