Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

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Karen-W said:
The last time I checked, the BRF does not hire photographers for Remembrance Day. There is a huge, national celebration at the Cenotaph in London and it is covered by the general press, with wreaths laid on behalf of the nation and the armed forces. It's similar to Memorial Day in the US where the President and VP lay wreaths at Arlington. And that gets covered by the mainstream press.

Please, at least, if you're going to try and make these leaps of logic know your facts.
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You are correct. The BRF does not hire phorogphers for Remembrance Day.k

I am talking about Harry whose request to return to the UK to lay a wreath was denied
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And here are MH laying a wreath in LA.
Ahhhmaazing those photographers just happened to be there!
 
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canbelto said:
Why can't I bring up her race? Her race is the reaosn why the British tabloids treated her so horribly. The comments about her are classic microaggressions made about black women. The same things were often said about Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris today.
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I don't think anyone here will argue that the British tabloid press, and many others, have targeted Meghan specifically because of her race.

However, here on FSU and in these royal threads, it seems to me that the only person who's making it an issue is you. Everyone else is dissecting their business decisions, approach to PR, what they say their goals are vs what they're actually doing, and how they're moving forward as people. And some nice stuff about their growing family.
 
starrynight said:
It's a discussion though, isn't it? For example, the thread on Donald Trump is one of the biggest on the forum and it isn't exactly a fan fest. But plenty of people who post in that thread, despite not liking him, do it to discuss various issues or at least highlight points of concern.
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Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.
 
Trump tried to get his minions to overthrow the government of the united states not to mention how many deaths from CV he is responsible for (and that’s only the stuff from the last 12 months.)

Not quite the same as Harry and Meghan trying to have a life and do some good in the world.
 
Yeah, the equivalent isn't Trump, it's people expressing their opinions about various skaters - and not one of them is universally beloved.

OTOH, Harry and Meghan would never skate to Titanic with voiceovers, so they have that going for them.
 
marbri said:
Well for some people the BRF is more of a political issue than a fairy tale so it's not really such a bad analogy....
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Yeah it is. But I accept that because people like Harry and Meghan come in such pretty packaging, no one cares to think too much about where all their money and status actually comes from.
 
starrynight said:
Yeah it is. But I accept that because people like Harry and Meghan come in such pretty packaging, no one cares to think too much about where all their money and status actually comes from.
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It is actually possible to not embrace the concept of the monarchy and still wish Meghan and Harry well.

They actually did leave their Royal duties and life and are trying to make money for themselves of their own accord but they are still getting grief.

No win situation for them.
 
Pretending racism against Blacks isn't an issue is one of the many ways non-Black people perpetuate racism. There is intentional racism, that all decent people were brought up to reject. But there is unintentional or unconscious bias which is VERY MUCH ALIVE AND WELL ON FSU. So just because only one person is calling it out doesn't mean it's not real.
 
No one said it doesn't exist on FSU. What I said is that the topic of Harry and Meghan is a wide one, and to persist in saying that every thing that is said, or even thought, is racially motivated is to keep trying to frame the discussion in a way that no one else is.

Here at FSU, everyone is fair game :) and from what I've seen, it's mostly about what people do rather than who they are.
 
skategal said:
No win situation for them.
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Actually it's an always win situation. Harry was born winning and, with the system of money and privilege they are based on, Harry and Meghan are currently winning and will continue to win. It's how that system of privilege works. They started out rich and are just getting richer. And then, within all of that, they are getting people to feel sorry for them. What gives?
 
Coco said:
@Jenny , you said the only person making race an issue in this thread is @canbelto.

This blatantly ignores people who criticize Meghan using variations on racist stereotypes. If people can't see this, then there's no other conclusions except that they are pretending it's not happening.
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Not to mention the rags that are most vitriolic against Meghan are right wing rags like the Daily Mail.

And ... the most vocal "Meghan is an evil witch" posters in this thread are big Trump fans.
 
I don't think this can be cast as a left versus right thing.

If it was so simple, everyone with left leaning views would reject Harry and Meghan because they represent the serious inequities of a class system.

But, hey, it's clearly not that simple. But let's face it, Harry and Meghan's inherited wealth and power has far more in common with nepotism from conservative sources than from anything from the ideology of the left.

It's a complex situation. Particularly the issues around being rich off the backs of the common folk in Britain and then being like 'so long and thanks for all the fish'. To say that Harry and Meghan are entitled to do that simply because of birth-right gets into dicey territory from an equality perspective. Would it be a left or right wing thing to have an issue with that? Some say it is right wing, but I'd actually say it is left. Or maybe it is both.
 
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starrynight said:
Actually it's an always win situation. Harry was born winning and, with the system of money and privilege they are based on, Harry and Meghan are currently winning and will continue to win. It's how that system of privilege works. They started out rich and are just getting richer. And then, within all of that, they are getting people to feel sorry for them. What gives?
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I meant winning in the court of public opinion.

Not winning financially.

I like them more because they are breaking away from the BRF and not putting up with having Meghan treated badly.

If you want the monarchy to be reformed or even end, H&M breaking away and refusing to stay silent is a step towards that happening.
 
skategal said:
refusing to stay silent
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How much bigger of a platform do these rich aristocrats need to satisfy themselves?

Meanwhile in the real world, some pretty terrible things are happening to regular folk who don't live in giant mansions and get paid hundreds of millions of dollars for trading off their family name.

Okay I'll peace out now. I think I've said my bit.
 
As I said, being rich isn't this magical silencer. For instance, Charles speaks out regularly about issues he's passionate about like the environment. No one tells him "just be happy you're rich."

The issue is what you use your platform for. I've said this before but we literally have NO IDEA what H&M's platform will be used for because they have not come up with any projects as yet. If they're overpaid thats Netflix's and Spotify's fault for signing on the dotted line without getting a clear idea how which projects H&M might pursue.
 
Certainly time will tell but I was not pleased to hear this interview with Oprah (2 hours?) is a "no topic off limits" expose. Perhaps I reveal my age by feeling this way, but I think all families have their relationship challenges and little is gained by public airings. I think they certainly had a right to defend themselves and explain why they have taken the actions they have, especially because it was already public. Have they not done that? I recall an interview they gave after South Africa while still in England, and then the book that certainly spoke to their challenges and then a court case that Meghan won. They have clearly expressed the tremendous pain they felt. It seems to me the somewhat hapless Thomas Markle has been so criticized and now ostracized for his lack of restraint with the press and then sharing private, personal information in an effort to defend himself. I am not defending him, just think he was totally unprepared for his daughter marrying into the BRF and all that would mean, and then made it all worse by speaking of it publicly. I will change my opinion when Harry and Meghan start clearly directing the narrative forward. This seems like extremely bad timing to me with Prince Philip (99) in the hospital. If this interview focuses on mental health initiatives or something like that - I will eat my words.
 
skategal said:
It is actually possible to not embrace the concept of the monarchy and still wish Meghan and Harry well.

They actually did leave their Royal duties and life and are trying to make money for themselves of their own accord but they are still getting grief.

No win situation for them.
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I wish Harry and Meghan well. I don't wish ill to anyone. I watched their wedding and was fine with the fairy tale being told and even a tad emotional at the impact of the moment for little girls all over the world who saw themselves in Meghan marrying her prince. Not unlike the time Obama bent over in the oval office to let a young boy touch his head because he wanted to see if his hair felt the same as his. His father later describing the moment and how important it was for black children to see a black president. I get it as much as a French/Irish white kid can get it.

And while she has undoubtedly faced harsh criticism and accept that some of it is connected to racism I think it's a copout to attribute all criticisms to racism. Or that the British media is responsible for them leaving. I think they were very quick to get engaged/married and I don't think she fully understood the workings of the Firm or she thought she could change it and ran up against a brick wall. William and Harry started a Foundation in 2009. William got married in 2011 and Kate joined the foundation. William, Kate and Harry had a foundation. Harry got married in 2018 and Meghan joined the foundation. A year later, in 2019, Harry and Meghan leave foundation to start their own. Six months later Harry and Meghan announce they are stepping back as Senior Royals.

You have to look at that timeline and all the rumours/gossip as well. Not just the vile treatment Meghan and Harry have received from some members of the media (ie... Piers Morgan). Meghan was an independent woman before she met Harry, was building her brand etc.. and closed that all down when she was about to join the family. One of the charities she worked for as a royal she collaborated with some stores to create a capsule wardrobe that helped woman get back to work/interviews. Pre-Harry she did something similar with a clothing line for Reitmans. I have a vague recollection of some skincare(?) line or product Meghan wanted to do once a member of the family and told they can't endorse products or some such.

I could go on but I suspect that this move had much more to do with financial independence and freedom from the restrictions one faces as a member of the royal family. ie..She can't sell skin care products if they are still living in the UK as senior members of the family. I don't know that Harry has any ambitions? Ambitions aren't a bad thing at all and if they want a life in the US then more power to them. They seem like a happy couple.

But Harry, to use a tired cliche, can't have his cake and eat it too. I originally came into this thread because I saw the James Cordon thing and was surprised, once again, to see Harry make the dig that he didn't want to give up his royal patronages, that the other side decided to take it away (paraphrasing here but it's a moment on the double decker). I really think at this point and with his knowledge of growing up as a royal he needs to stop that bullshit. That is the one area I fault him, and her (because she plays into that narrative as well), and from the teaser of the Oprah interview I can already imagine that some here are going to walk away in tears comparing her to Diana ( who used the press as much as they used her...).

Harry did what many people do when they marry a foreigner. One of the couple makes a choice to live in the others homeland creating physical distance from their immediate family and a change of life/career. Sometimes (often) it's a step down for them and they need to start over, rebuild their career. Harry quit his job and by that token Meghan quit her new job.

A few questions to ponder. Has anything they have done relieved any of the negative press they get in Britain? Has it worsened? If it remained the same or worsened how has this move improved your life? <---- Asked on the basis that they want us to believe the media drove them away.
Will invoking memories of your mother in a mangled car with photographers taking pictures, not helping her, create some goodwill with the British public who feel abandoned after their warm welcome and lavish wedding (Meghan got A LOT of love back then, it wasn't all bad by any stretch of the imagination)? Is that a little manipulative and self-serving?

I'm not a hater. At all. But I am very cynical about this PR game being played.
 
It was pretty rare in the VM thread. Never read DW. But nothing so prevalent and tolerated like here...or in the Former US President thread.
 
The Trump thread was maybe the best example. It became a Trump hate thread and it was my daily oxygen for about four years.
 
Criticism does not equal hate. Just as one's comments on a skater's jump technique, coaching changes or choice of music can be critical, can put forward ideas for doing better, without being a hater. Or maybe for some anything that isn't lavish praise is hate?
 
marbri said:
I wish Harry and Meghan well. I don't wish ill to anyone. I watched their wedding and was fine with the fairy tale being told and even a tad emotional at the impact of the moment for little girls all over the world who saw themselves in Meghan marrying her prince. Not unlike the time Obama bent over in the oval office to let a young boy touch his head because he wanted to see if his hair felt the same as his. His father later describing the moment and how important it was for black children to see a black president. I get it as much as a French/Irish white kid can get it.

And while she has undoubtedly faced harsh criticism and accept that some of it is connected to racism I think it's a copout to attribute all criticisms to racism. Or that the British media is responsible for them leaving. I think they were very quick to get engaged/married and I don't think she fully understood the workings of the Firm or she thought she could change it and ran up against a brick wall. William and Harry started a Foundation in 2009. William got married in 2011 and Kate joined the foundation. William, Kate and Harry had a foundation. Harry got married in 2018 and Meghan joined the foundation. A year later, in 2019, Harry and Meghan leave foundation to start their own. Six months later Harry and Meghan announce they are stepping back as Senior Royals.

You have to look at that timeline and all the rumours/gossip as well. Not just the vile treatment Meghan and Harry have received from some members of the media (ie... Piers Morgan). Meghan was an independent woman before she met Harry, was building her brand etc.. and closed that all down when she was about to join the family. One of the charities she worked for as a royal she collaborated with some stores to create a capsule wardrobe that helped woman get back to work/interviews. Pre-Harry she did something similar with a clothing line for Reitmans. I have a vague recollection of some skincare(?) line or product Meghan wanted to do once a member of the family and told they can't endorse products or some such.

I could go on but I suspect that this move had much more to do with financial independence and freedom from the restrictions one faces as a member of the royal family. ie..She can't sell skin care products if they are still living in the UK as senior members of the family. I don't know that Harry has any ambitions? Ambitions aren't a bad thing at all and if they want a life in the US then more power to them. They seem like a happy couple.

But Harry, to use a tired cliche, can't have his cake and eat it too. I originally came into this thread because I saw the James Cordon thing and was surprised, once again, to see Harry make the dig that he didn't want to give up his royal patronages, that the other side decided to take it away (paraphrasing here but it's a moment on the double decker). I really think at this point and with his knowledge of growing up as a royal he needs to stop that bullshit. That is the one area I fault him, and her (because she plays into that narrative as well), and from the teaser of the Oprah interview I can already imagine that some here are going to walk away in tears comparing her to Diana ( who used the press as much as they used her...).

Harry did what many people do when they marry a foreigner. One of the couple makes a choice to live in the others homeland creating physical distance from their immediate family and a change of life/career. Sometimes (often) it's a step down for them and they need to start over, rebuild their career. Harry quit his job and by that token Meghan quit her new job.

A few questions to ponder. Has anything they have done relieved any of the negative press they get in Britain? Has it worsened? If it remained the same or worsened how has this move improved your life? <---- Asked on the basis that they want us to believe the media drove them away.
Will invoking memories of your mother in a mangled car with photographers taking pictures, not helping her, create some goodwill with the British public who feel abandoned after their warm welcome and lavish wedding (Meghan got A LOT of love back then, it wasn't all bad by any stretch of the imagination)? Is that a little manipulative and self-serving?

I'm not a hater. At all. But I am very cynical about this PR game being played.
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There has been a huge PR game here since they started dating. Quite a bit of the PR has come from the Hollywood PR agency that Meghan has used since she was on Suits and I'm not sure they know very much about how the BRF works.
 
Jenny said:
Criticism does not equal hate. Just as one's comments on a skater's jump technique, coaching changes or choice of music can be critical, can put forward ideas for doing better, without being a hater. Or maybe for some anything that isn't lavish praise is hate?
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There is a difference between criticism and hate.

Criticism is legit.

Meghan Markle can’t fart without :argue: from some posters to the point that they are actively contradicting themselves to say negative things about the woman.

That is what I classify as hateful.
 
Jenny said:
Criticism does not equal hate. Just as one's comments on a skater's jump technique, coaching changes or choice of music can be critical, can put forward ideas for doing better, without being a hater. Or maybe for some anything that isn't lavish praise is hate?
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Criticism is constructive. "Meghan is pushy and Harry is p__sywhipped" which a poster said in this thread is not constructive. Neither is "Kate is my White Queen" (which Kensington Palace handlers has to frantically delete from the IG comments for two years now). And neither is "Archie is a chimp" (BBC radio host). ANd neither is "Meghan rubs her belly!"
 
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