Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

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I am not very fond to be lectured on inequity by two priviliged persons though. But maybe they find their audience and sponsors, and maybe they find other topics that are less dubious. Now, the cinema in their new mansion makes more sense. It's probably needed for sponsors, film crew, and and critics.

When non-privileged people speak out their message is often ignored. When people in the spotlight canvass for inequity they can bring the message to more people. And when privileged people do good in the world instead of riding around on their yachts or jetting around the world they have to put up with spite from people trying to drag them down, usually for no reason other than jealousy.

BTW @Vagabond, what iniquity have they committed? Inquiring minds....
 
When non-privileged people speak out their message is often ignored. When people in the spotlight canvass for inequity they can bring the message to more people.


Oh, I support when people in the spotlight speak out for those without a voice, but not people with no credibility in this departement. Then the spotlight will rather have the opposite effect and even people who are not spiteful or jealous might turn away.
 
Strolling through youtube comment sections, I read many comments by black people who say she never embraced her black heritage, never reached out to the black community before the black lives matter movement. Let them decide if she is convincing.
And Harry - the former prince. I won't even start.
 
I personally applaud high profile people who use their exposure and platform to inspire and educate in a positive way. One example to me is Angelina Jolie's willingness to share the very personal experience she had with the BRCA1 gene and her decision to have preventative surgery. The "Angelina Jolie Effect" as they call it led to a huge increase in testing and undoubtedly saved many lives. I recall Princess Diana donning protective gear and walking among land mines as well as her warmth and love shown to those with AIDs, a fairly exceptional gesture at that time in history. I think they run into trouble though when people sense any hypocrisy or "do as I say not as I do" counsel.
 
The youtube comment section is a cesspool. It's not where I go to find out what real people think.

Not only youtube but Amazon review section of Finding Freedom.


 
Not only youtube but Amazon review section of Finding Freedom.


I read the reviews on audible as I considered ordering it. The majority of the criticisms that I read felt the book was poorly written and too sugary. Also, a common criticism seemed to be that too many situations were brought up (eg. they fired the night nurse) but not enough detail given so the reader could really understand what happened. Also, most if not all, of the noteworthy details had already been leaked. I was pleased to see the comments seemed to be on the substance and writing style of the book and not on personal feelings about the couple. That, in my opinion, is what a book review should be.
 
Did she really grow up poor? According to Wikipedia Meghan attended private schools, and while this profile is pretty trashy I don't see any reason for it to misrepresent her father's finances.

I don't recall that either, so just looked it up and it seems that at the time of her parents' divorce her father was working steadily, and her mother is listed as working too. Private schools, and Northwestern University can't have been cheap either. Sounds like she worked while studying, but that's normal, though she apparently had enough time for lots of charity work and sorority involvement too, so doesn't really paint a picture of someone struggling, more like someone who grew up middle class, if anything skewing a bit higher than average.
 
Her personal background is irrelevant. No one tells Gregg Popovich he shouldn't have a voice about BLM even though he's a cranky old white guy. It's what she does with her voice -- if the feedback is positive she'll get more invites to speak about BLM. If she doesn't have meaningful things to say the invites will stop.
 
Did she really grow up poor? According to Wikipedia Meghan attended private schools, and while this profile is pretty trashy I don't see any reason for it to misrepresent her father's finances.
I went to a private HS. My family was living below the poverty line.

I have read that Doris was a single mom who often struggled to make ends meet. What Meghan's dad made is only relevant if he actually paid child support. You'd be surprised how many don't or don't regularly.

And even if they weren't on the verge of poverty (which I don't think they were but I don't think they had it cushy either), they are Black. In the US.

No one tells Gregg Popovich he shouldn't have a voice about BLM even though he's a cranky old white guy.
Well some of us might. :D But, yeah, your point stands.
 
I went to a private HS. My family was living below the poverty line.

I have read that Doris was a single mom who often struggled to make ends meet. What Meghan's dad made is only relevant if he actually paid child support. You'd be surprised how many don't or don't regularly.

And even if they weren't on the verge of poverty (which I don't think they were but I don't think they had it cushy either), they are Black. In the US.
After Doria Ragland and Thomas Markle got divorced, Meghan spent time living with both (according to the Vanity Fair article and this one as well).

I agree that she has plenty to draw upon even if she didn't grow up poor. And regardless, she should speak about things she feels strongly about.
 
This sounds like a good oppurtunity to earn a living. As an actress she knows the film industry from the inside and wasn't she married to a film producer? She probably learnt from looking over his shoulder, maybe she even assisted him. Also Harry can use his network to find sponsors and partners for their projects.

Being married to someone who was a film producer doesn't qualify someone to be a film producer themselves. Especially when the ex-husband is not a well-known film producer. Harry's contacts might work for charitable events like the Invictus Games, but I can't see the same connections working for film projects.
 
I have read that Doris was a single mom who often struggled to make ends meet. What Meghan's dad made is only relevant if he actually paid child support. You'd be surprised how many don't or don't regularly.

Much seems to be made of this narrative, given that she seems to be very close to her mother and what we know of her father now. However, according to the Vanity Fair article @MsZem shared above (which is rather a bizarre read I must say!):

Tom and Doria divorced when Meghan was two.

Now, others sources including Wiki, which I'm assuming has been polished extensively by Meghan's fans, says they divorced when she was six, so maybe the confusion is due to when they separated vs when the signed the paperwork. But no matter, this is the interesting part:

Meghan lived with one parent, then the other, until her adolescence, when she lived with Tom full-time.

@canbelto says her personal background is irrelevant to what she does now, but I disagree. Yes, one can have strong opinions and do a lot of good for people and causes that they have not lived themselves (sorta like you can be a good coach without ever having been a competitive athlete, no?), but at the same time, who you are and what you've experienced can give you extra credibility.

Plus, you know, truth. Meghan and at least some of her closest friends are very much focused on their image and their brand as a platform for their ambitions, and origin stories are part of that. And even if it's not her putting out these stories, one wonders if her loyal army of friends and fans are doing a little polishing of their own.
 
I forgot to hit "post reply" this morning so this post may not be timely now:

I personally applaud high profile people who use their exposure and platform to inspire and educate in a positive way. One example to me is Angelina Jolie's willingness to share the very personal experience she had with the BRCA1 gene and her decision to have preventative surgery. The "Angelina Jolie Effect" as they call it led to a huge increase in testing and undoubtedly saved many lives. I recall Princess Diana donning protective gear and walking among land mines as well as her warmth and love shown to those with AIDs, a fairly exceptional gesture at that time in history. I think they run into trouble though when people sense any hypocrisy or "do as I say not as I do" counsel.

I agree with the above but the absolute bile some celebrities experience when they are sincere is appalling. Look what crap is being given to Meghan just for trying to get out the vote.
 
I read the reviews on audible as I considered ordering it. The majority of the criticisms that I read felt the book was poorly written and too sugary. Also, a common criticism seemed to be that too many situations were brought up (eg. they fired the night nurse) but not enough detail given so the reader could really understand what happened. Also, most if not all, of the noteworthy details had already been leaked. I was pleased to see the comments seemed to be on the substance and writing style of the book and not on personal feelings about the couple. That, in my opinion, is what a book review should be.
I did not read the reviews. I assumed that the reviewers were personally attacking H&M. Makes me wonder why restrictions were put in place.
 
Being married to someone who was a film producer doesn't qualify someone to be a film producer themselves. Especially when the ex-husband is not a well-known film producer. Harry's contacts might work for charitable events like the Invictus Games, but I can't see the same connections working for film projects.

I do. I worked in this branch. All kinds of contacts to rich or influential people are extremly important when you apply for private or public money. Having a big name is like an asset. And yes, being attached to a person who knows how to produce is very helpful. It's like an internship. It's difficult to start as a newcomer. Anybody can become a producer but not everybody is doing well though.
 
IAnd yes, being attached to a person who knows how to produce is very helpful. It's like an internship. It's difficult to start as a newcomer.

She was married to him. She didn't produce films with him. It would only have been like an internship if they'd done producing projects together.
 
Meghan is a US citizen. And has the right to vote but she should not be using her British title in order to do so. I mean Americans literally fought a war and died because they didn’t want members of the British royal family telling them what to do politically. She should use her something then her title if she is going to.

Its clear she she is picking a side. It’s not just a go out to vote.

The issue here is whole Harry is not likely to be King it is possible he could become regent Charles is not that young and hopefully William and Kate remain okay.
She would put her husband in a bad position if he becomes Head of State and suddenly he has a wife who supports one or the parties of one of Britain’s biggest allies.
The royal family is suppose to be neutral
 
Meghan is a US citizen. And has the right to vote but she should not be using her British title in order to do so. I mean Americans literally fought a war and died because they didn’t want members of the British royal family telling them what to do politically. She should use her something then her title if she is going to.

Its clear she she is picking a side. It’s not just a go out to vote.

The issue here is whole Harry is not likely to be King it is possible he could become regent Charles is not that young and hopefully William and Kate remain okay.
She would put her husband in a bad position if he becomes Head of State and suddenly he has a wife who supports one or the parties of one of Britain’s biggest allies.
The royal family is suppose to be neutral

Are you for real? Encouraging people to vote IOW reminding them of their civic duty is not telling them what to do. And the message is not coming from a member of the British royal family. Have you forgotten that she & Harry aren't considered royal anymore?

As for Harry becoming regent, are you completely deluded?
 
Are you for real? Encouraging people to vote IOW reminding them of their civic duty is not telling them what to do. And the message is not coming from a member of the British royal family. Have you forgotten that she & Harry aren't considered royal anymore?

As for Harry becoming regent, are you completely deluded?

The Queen is in her 90s. Charles is 70 years. old. It’s not Guaranteed either will be around in the next decade. If something where to happen to William and Kate too who do you think would become regent?
I mean of course it would be an absolute tragedy if Harry did.....

Meghan was introduced as Duchess of Suzzex she should not be commenting on our election while using British title.
She should have been introduced as Meghan Markle or Meghan Mountabotten-Windsor.
And her statement wasn’t a neutral everyone regardless of where you stand vote. That would have been politically neutral I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Although still should have not been introduced as a Duchess.
 
The Queen is in her 90s. Charles is 70 years. old. It’s not Guaranteed either will be around in the next decade. If something where to happen to William and Kate too who do you think would become regent?
I mean of course it would be an absolute tragedy if Harry did.....

Meghan was introduced as Duchess of Suzzex she should not be commenting on our election while using British title.
She should have been introduced as Meghan Markle or Meghan Mountabotten-Windsor.
And her statement wasn’t a neutral everyone regardless of where you stand vote. That would have been politically neutral I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Although still should have not been introduced as a Duchess.
I agree with Becca. Meghan can go and vote, but it’s not her place to use her title to speak out. The royal family has to stay neutral politically. It doesn’t matter if they are actively involved in the royal family or not. Harry is and will always be part of the family and Meghan needs to respect that.
 
She just told people to go vote because it's important. It's said that some people see that as political.

She didn’t say who to vote for, but it’s still not right she’s using her Duchess of Sussex title to tell people to go vote. It’s like she’s speaking for the royal family
 
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