Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

[floskate]

Bigotry alive and well on FSU I see! In other news William just claimed his family aren't racist while apparently erasing any memory of either his grandfather, his father, his uncle and princess pushy who had two black sheep called Venus & Serena. Feeling the need to speak to the press while acknowledging he hasn't even spoken to Harry really wasn't very smart was it? Kinda proves H&M's point.

 

[kittyjake5]

William was asked about Harry and Racism by a reporter and he answered the reporter's questions.

Here is a video clip

https://twitter.com/RE_DailyMail/status/1369972876464566272?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

 

[skategal]

It amazes me why they can’t just say something like “Our intent is never to be a racist family. Of course, like every white person, it’s a constant process of examining our behaviours, attitudes,
and systems to ensure we aren’t perpetuating unconscious bias. This is something we will look at and discuss with Harry & Meghan to resolve within the family.”

But instead, they have to dig in.

 

[Tesla]

It amazes me why they can’t just say something like “Our intent is never to be a racist family. Of course, like every white person, it’s a constant process of examining our behaviours, attitudes,
and systems to ensure we aren’t perpetuating unconscious bias. This is something we will look at and discuss with Harry & Meghan to resolve within the family.”

But instead, they have to dig in.

Many many people can't admit they are wrong and refuse to look beyond they're own lens.

So anyone who has ever suffered any kind of abuse whoever they are should just grin and bear it?

Of course! They have to keep that stiff upper lip. And do not try to shine a light on the dark.

I commend Harry and Meghan for going public. I think they hope to shine on light on the dark parts of the BRF and hope to make things better for the future and for future members. I support them.

 

[clairecloutier]

So I agree with Harry that the Crown should be paying at least some of his and Meghan's security costs. My reasoning for this is as follows: 1. Harry did not ask to be born as Charles and Diana's son--it's not his fault that he was; 2. Just the very fact that he's Charles and Diana's son means that he will always be the object of public scrutiny (now increased by his marriage to Meghan); but again, the fact of his being C/D's son is not his fault; 3. He should not, IMO, be required to work as a royal just to get security; because, again, this is a situation that is mostly not of his making, and that was created by Charles and Diana's worldwide notoriety.

If Harry were just a British noble who had married a Hollywood actress, no one would care. People would not really care that much even if he were Andrew's or Edward's son. (Does anyone really care very much what Beatrice or Eugenie do?) It is explicitly because of his heritage as Charles and Diana's son, and a direct heir (albeit further down) of the future king, that people care about Harry. It's a situation that he didn't ask for and can't get out of, no matter what he does or where he moves. Therefore IMO it is only right that Charles or the Crown bear some of the costs for this situation, which, again, Harry did not create himself.

 

[kittyjake5]

^^^ It is not as if the RF personally can’t afford security.

 

[millyskate]

I think it's ok to have different feelings about going public with everything. Harry and Meghan are "of their time" in the way they choose to communicate, and the subjects they choose to communicate on.

I personally dislike the trend, and do prefer more restraint ("pudeur" in French - there's no real English equivalent). I remember when I did my MA in documentary photography, my tutor put a tremendous amount of pressure on me to document the community I grew up in. I had an incredibly strong sense this would be a deeply wrong thing to do towards my family and the friends I still had there, and I'm so glad I didn't cave in. I still really struggle with the photography world's tendency to do "my mental health problems" projects, or "my mother dying from dementia" projects). I find the capacity of art to transcend problems by capturing universal dilemas more elevating.
So between the Queen's communication style and Meghan and Harry's, I'm naturally drawn to the Queen's - not that I could ever achieve that level of self-control.

I think that people who like me, are allergic to this general positioning of self at the center of everything really deeply struggle with the communication style.
I do find there's a big danger in declaring that people are only allowed to feel one way about this - or else they deserve to be accused of being right-wing or torn apart for lack of compassion.
Problems can be nuanced, and I have no doubt that racism is a problem both in the British press and most likely with some members of the British Royal Family. I think that truth can coexist with a concerns about Meghan and Harry's motivations or behaviour in other aspects.

One problem, when you're concerned about people being deeply manipulative, is that aside from removing yourself from their sphere of influence as best you can, you feel quite powerless against them. Some topics - including, sadly, mental health these days - are particularly exploited by deeply manipulative people because they provide such a shield against acceptable criticism.
Nothing can be done to prove a hunch, in this regards. I do believe that some people who are expressing strong feelings about this interview are not racist, sexist, or right-wing - they just have very strong alarm bells ringing and can't overcome them.

I think sadly, the best course of action when you feel those alarm bells it to shut up and hope time will do its work in bringing the truth to light. There are serious topics at stake here - racism, and mental health. It's probably worth "being wrong" to let the right causes behind the possibly wrong voices be heard.

 

[manhn]

Not sure how your MA project is equivalent to Harry and Meghan’s interview. It is their story they are telling. If those villagers did their own photo project on themselves, you’d have a problem with it?

Also unsure how of the time this is. They spoke to a journalist for a lengthy interview. This is what Diana did ages ago. Oprah’s left the air a long time ago. They didn’t go on Twitter or Instagram. Racism and mental health should be called out, especially if it involves them.

By telling posters that they should not be categorizing other posters, you are then categorizing those posters. As if they can’t understand the nuance.

 

[becca]

So I agree with Harry that the Crown should be paying at least some of his and Meghan's security costs. My reasoning for this is as follows: 1. Harry did not ask to be born as Charles and Diana's son--it's not his fault that he was; 2. Just the very fact that he's Charles and Diana's son means that he will always be the object of public scrutiny (now increased by his marriage to Meghan); but again, the fact of his being C/D's son is not his fault; 3. He should not, IMO, be required to work as a royal just to get security; because, again, this is a situation that is mostly not of his making, and that was created by Charles and Diana's worldwide notoriety.

If Harry were just a British noble who had married a Hollywood actress, no one would care. People would not really care that much even if he were Andrew's or Edward's son. (Does anyone really care very much what Beatrice or Eugenie do?) It is explicitly because of his heritage as Charles and Diana's son, and a direct heir (albeit further down) of the future king, that people care about Harry. It's a situation that he didn't ask for and can't get out of, no matter what he does or where he moves. Therefore IMO it is only right that Charles or the Crown bear some of the costs for this situation, which, again, Harry did not create himself.

Except for the fact that Harry and Meghan are cultivating press. And cultivating their status as a member of the royal family to make money.

They were the ones who invited cameras in their home. If they are going to use Harry’s royal status to Make millions and be global celebrities they should bare the security costs.

People who want privacy don’t give global interviews displaying their family issues.

It they went completely private and still needed security it would be one thing but that is not the case here they want to be global celebrities they want all of the benefits that come with Harry’s titles and status but none of the responsibilities

All of the Queens children got a ton of attention at one time in their lives. Eventually it died. No reason it would for Harry, Archie and Meghan.

And if they are going to choose to live very public’s lives well they bare the security costs

 

[skategal]

Meghan is the third successful, accomplished, independent, smart, beautiful woman to marry into the BRF and leave on the verge on a mental breakdown.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not the women that have the problem here.

 

[becca]

Meghan is the third successful, accomplished, independent, smart, beautiful woman to marry into the BRF and leave on the verge on a mental breakdown.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not the women that have the problem here.

No one would say that being royal doesn’t haven it’s issues.

 

[skategal]

No one would say that being royal doesn’t haven it’s issues.

But the women are being blamed for it all as if it's all their fault.

That is not reality.

If the institution/system is driving them away, maybe there is a problem with the institution/system.

And maybe someone could stand up and say "this has got to stop/change and do something about it."

 

[Coco]

They would have had security costs for several years no matter what kind of lifestyle they chose.

And now...they have to have a more public lifestyle if only to generate $$ to pay for the inescapable security costs.

 

[becca]

But the women are being blamed for it all as if it's all their fault.

That is not reality.

If the institution/system is driving them away, maybe there is a problem with the institution/system.

And maybe someone could stand up and say "this has got to stop/change and do something about it."

Who says the women are being blamed for all of it? I absolutely think the media is crazy and I have no doubt families have issues but typically family isssues are not just one person.

But let’s point out Diana was 19 when she married Charles didn’t have a college degree and it was a ridiculously short courtship.

Fergie and Andrew also had a short courtship.

Edward and Williams marriages have turned out much better so far and part of it was the two men took their time and had long courtships to make sure the women involved were prepared and suited to the role.

One coupoint out William told Harry he and Meghan needed more time.

Where was Harry’s responsibility in this to make sure she was prepared where was Harry’s responsibility to get his wife help given he was seeing a psychiatrist himself.

And Meghan as an educated woman doesn’t she maybe have a duty to learn the nations anthem Herself. There is talk the palace did hire people and Meghan didn’t want to listen.


No doubt that role and the public scrutiny is a lot. And no doubt mistakes weren’t made.

Coco their manifesto was all about how they were going to be global celebrities. That occurred before Netflix deals or when leaving.

Fact is every single one of those accusations not preparing her not getting her help when she was struggling mentally all of them can be raised at husbands door and Harry held more responsibility than anyone else.

 

[skategal]

Who says the women are being blamed for all of it?

The media for one.

Plus there has been lots of blaming the women on this thread (ie. they are manipulative, they should have known better, they shouldn't have rushed into marriage, they should have done their research first etc.)

 

[Jenny]

The media for one.

Plus there has been lots of blaming the women on this thread (ie. they are manipulative, they should have known better, they shouldn't have rushed into marriage, they should have done their research first etc.)

There's been a lot of blaming in general - Harry for sure, also Charles and William, Philip too. In the past, Meghan's father as well.

 

[canbelto]

The media for one.

Plus there has been lots of blaming the women on this thread (ie. they are manipulative, they should have known better, they shouldn't have rushed into marriage, they should have done their research first etc.)

There's a lot of blaming of women in general. Like at another site (which is rabidly pro-Meghan) Kate is getting a lot of hate, even though neither Meghan or Harry talked much about her.

 

[becca]

The media for one.

Plus there has been lots of blaming the women on this thread (ie. they are manipulative, they should have known better, they shouldn't have rushed into marriage, they should have done their research first etc.)

I think I pointed out Harry there didn’t I? I pointed out that one of the reasons William and Edwards royal marriages did not end up that way is because they learned from their Father and Uncles mistakes and made sure perspective spouses were ready.

And as mentioned as an educated woman Meghan has some responsibility too. Furthermore the palace would dispute they didn’t try.

Redirect Notice

Once again I don’t think the royal family is all innocent and the media certainly isn’t either.

But to say it’s all everyone’s fault and there was no responsibility on Harry and Meghan to prepare her that would be unfair you would at least think to learn the national anthem of a country whose royal family your joining. It would take all of five minutes.

 

[skategal]

The mental gymnastics in this thread is exhausting.

 

[AxelAnnie]

So anyone who has ever suffered any kind of abuse whoever they are should just grin and bear it?

 

[AxelAnnie]

Bigotry alive and well on FSU I see! In other news William just claimed his family aren't racist while apparently erasing any memory of either his grandfather, his father, his uncle and princess pushy who had two black sheep called Venus & Serena. Feeling the need to speak to the press while acknowledging he hasn't even spoken to Harry really wasn't very smart was it? Kinda proves H&M's point.

???

 

[overedge]

???

What's your point?

 

[allezfred]

Back atcha.

 

[mattiecat13]

Harry and Meghan both wanted children so, due to Meghan's biological clock, could not have the long courtship of William/Kate and Edward/Sophie. I agree it would have been better for Meghan had they been able to do that but it wasn't possible.

 

[once_upon]

Harry and Meghan both wanted children so, due to Meghan's biological clock, could not have the long courtship of William/Kate and Edward/Sophie. I agree it would have been better for Meghan had they been able to do that but it wasn't possible.

I agree that Meghan's biological clock was ticking. But I dont think a longer courtship would have helped. You can't erase racism with a longer courtship.

 

[allezfred]

“It’s not the appropriate time”
“It’s unbecoming for people of their position”
“I wish they would stop playing the victim”

All are just roundabout ways of saying “I am uncomfortable with acknowledging that discrimination against other people who are not like me exists.”

 

[floskate]

???

A perfect summation of your contribution to this entire thread.

 

[kwanfan1818]

. It's a situation that he didn't ask for and can't get out of, no matter what he does or where he moves

This is why I think it would be perfectly appropriate for his father to provide a baseline of security, at minimum for a transition period, out of the funds under his control. His father isn't obligated to do so.

 

[MacMadame]

Charles had every right to say no. Whether that be immediately, after a transition period.

But just because you have a right to do something, doesn't mean you should.

That man abruptly left his own son vulnerable even though at the time he was still a working royal (even if only part-time) and was and still is his son.

They can do a reality series on their chickens and I will watch it.

I would totally be down for that!

One thing that I just recalled reading in the past 48 hours since the interview with regard to Charles paying for not only their lifestyle but also security once they turned into private citizens... It was pointed out that as long as H&M were working royals, Charles/the Duchy of Cornwall could classify pretty much all of it (including wardrobe) as business expenses and that income was not taxable, but once they turned into private citizens if he paid for them then it becomes personal expenses and is taxable. As long as he is putting the income from the DoC back into the Duchy or using it for royal business, it's not taxed but once he uses it for personal... So, it's possible, from a business/taxes/transparency/accountability POV, that it just doesn't make any good sense for him to spend that money on them privately.

At the time that their security was withdrawn, they were still on the "take a break, then be PT working royals" plan. So they were still working royals and not private citizens. They only became private citizens recently when it was announced at the break was permanent.

 

[mella]

But just because you have a right to do something, doesn't mean you should.

That man abruptly left his own son vulnerable even though at the time he was still a working royal (even if only part-time) and was and still is his son.


I would totally be down for that!


At the time that their security was withdrawn, they were still on the "take a break, then be PT working royals" plan. So they were still working royals and not private citizens. They only became private citizens recently when it was announced at the break was permanent.

I dont disagree. Assuming it is/was all as straight forward as H&M have described the decision not to assist in a transition does make a statement I think. And was probably intended to. However H did have a substantial inheritance and therefore the means to bridge those costs himself so I think that's relevant too. H is a man of means.

What I can't get my head around us levelling criticism at H&M for taking steps to fund themselves once the purse strings were cut off. What did everyone think would happen?