ISU Grand Prix Assignments 2018/19 season

Dobre

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I would be interested in knowing the ISU's purpose here.

If the goal is to deter changing federations by forcing highly ranked skaters to skate in earlier groups, then wiping out the WS points should be enough. If the goal is something else, then wiping out the TES minimums seems to be a rough instrument because its effects would vary depending on the date of the skater's last competition before making the switch.

Fournier-Beaudry & Sorenson still have their World minimums listed. Kwanfan is just speculating that they could possibly lose them. That doesn't, however, appear to be the case. Even if they did lose them, F-B&S would still have time to compete at a small event prior to Worlds in order to get them. I guess it would be good for SC to double check and head into the season prepared for the possibility. I don't think missing 4CCs would be a major hindrance to a team as well established internationally as F-B&S during a season with so much turnover in the dance event anyway. The bigger challenge, I would think, for F-B&S will be getting the balanced feedback they need early in the season to develop their programs for major international competition and to make the argument--without an international season and ISU scores--to the Canadian judges at Nationals in order to hold off Soucisse & Firus.

Losing the World Standing points is a blow after so much work building them, but it's also understandable. Felt like a bit of a loophole that athletes had been able to keep them. I can see why it was closed. Denmark let F-B&S go willingly, and it made sense as they couldn't offer a path to the Olympics. This was really an unusual scenario in which the team had to make a choice after making every attempt to find another route.

But in a discipline as international as dance, I can see why the ISU would want to discourage easy swapping between countries. For a team like Smart & Diaz, for example, it could be easier to start out in Spain while Coomes & Buckland were still skating, but if C&B are done and with Hurtado & Khaliavin more established, qualifying for Worlds would be easier in Great Britain. So it's logical that the powers that be have eliminated the transferral of WS points. There's a cost for switching countries. It's not a brick wall, just a price to be paid. Something to discourage casual country hopping.
 

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Fournier-Beaudry & Sorenson still have their World minimums listed. Kwanfan is just speculating that they could possibly lose them. That doesn't, however, appear to be the case. Even if they did lose them, F-B&S would still have time to compete at a small event prior to Worlds in order to get them. I guess it would be good for SC to double check and head into the season prepared for the possibility.
Understood.

Assuming, however, that they do need to earn TES minimums, then they'll have a problem making it to 4CC's even if Canada wants to send them. And even if they have the World minimums, they won't be of much help if Fournier-Beaudry & Sorenson don't make Canada's World Team, which is a distinct possibility. :shuffle:
 

kwanfan1818

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They never remove skaters from the SB list, as they treat it as an unchanged record, never moving anyone up, even if it's useless for the skaters on it; it's used to place split couples, though.

It's possible they wipe out WS, because the way the team earns WS points is a combination of the championships they can attend, whether there is competition in the country, whether they're from a host GP country, etc. It can go either way, but I can understand the argument for cleaning the slate.

If they wanted to make it even more difficult to change countries, they'd also wipe the slate clean for TES minimums.

Can anyone think of a team that switched countries since TES minimums came into being?

One possibility is that there is one country-skater/team relationship in the ISU DB, and that's why FB/S's minimums are attributed to them for CAN. Or they may get to carry them over.
 
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I think they said they were missing Worlds last year to give Penny's knee time to heal. I haven't heard the same about the GP. Based on posters' comments here, shortly after the Olympics they implied they would continue; but I do think you have to take those post-Olympic interviews with a grain of salt. People need time to process. Coomes & Buckland can come back any time they want, but they've been to three Olympics and dealt with a major injury. On GS, a poster said they were back in England (I think one of the same posters that said Mansourova & Ceska were split so, really, take that info with a grain of salt). Anyway, C&B have said nothing about retirement. As far as I know, they've also said nothing about new programs, choreography, or training.
Tiffany had two tryouts this spring that i know off so they were broken up for awhile. Nick and Penny are in the US and coaching. Somewhere on the east coast.
 

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So i've been off the grid in regards to skating since Worlds why no Mirai on the GP? IS she retiring too? And Kevin Reynolds didn't retire? Why? LOL Hate to say it but its a bit sad seeing these older veteran skaters hanging on for another year i guess they must love to skate.
 

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So i've been off the grid in regards to skating since Worlds why no Mirai on the GP? IS she retiring too? And Kevin Reynolds didn't retire? Why? LOL Hate to say it but its a bit sad seeing these older veteran skaters hanging on for another year i guess they must love to skate.

Mirai and Ashley are skipping the GP but with nothing further said on the matter...they may or may not be back. I suspect Mirai will show up to U.S. Nationals though.

The theory on Kevin is he wants one last shot at the Canadian Title. I say go for it!
 

Carolla5501

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Especially when sometimes those beautifully choreographed programmes get half the beautiful choreography ripped out later in the season so the skater can land their jumps...


That's probably true for singles. For Dance it's like they haven't added in the choreography yet :)
 

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The theory on Kevin is he wants one last shot at the Canadian Title. I say go for it!

If that's the case I hope he does....truly....go for it.

I was totally perplexed by his approach last summer going into an Olympic year. I believe he was in school full time in the summer and only dedicated himself to full-time training after the summer ended. I saw him at camp in September and he couldn't do a thing. I walked away thinking I must be missing a critical piece of information because it sure looks from the outside like he's mentally retired already.

I'd like to see him stay two more years given where world's is....and really try to make the most of that time.
 

barbarafan

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If that's the case I hope he does....truly....go for it.

I was totally perplexed by his approach last summer going into an Olympic year. I believe he was in school full time in the summer and only dedicated himself to full-time training after the summer ended. I saw him at camp in September and he couldn't do a thing. I walked away thinking I must be missing a critical piece of information because it sure looks from the outside like he's mentally retired already.

I'd like to see him stay two more years given where world's is....and really try to make the most of that time.
I would like him to change coaches.....one who knows what a rotated jump is. Just saying
 

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I'd like to see him stay two more years given where world's is....and really try to make the most of that time.
I'd certainly be all for him giving it a go, but I think the 2019-20 season is probably going to be a big lift for him to get onto the international team, assuming Joseph Phan and Conrad Orzel keeping developing. They'll both be going senior that year, and there's no chance Canada is going to have more than two spots in the men's competition that year.
 

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Re-posting @kwanfan1818's info (in the U.S. Pairs thread) re. the pairs TBD spot Finland currently lists for their GP:
Yes, TBD's have to be replaced by 10-15 days after the summer confirmation deadline. If FIN doesn't assign a Pair by then, then they pick off the alternates list, and they can't take that spot away. If the assigned Pair withdraws close to the event, then it's up to the host to decide whether to replace that Pair.

Gailhaguet would assign a French team/skater, and then pull that team/skater and not replace them with French skaters or off the alternates list.
FWIW, last year's GP Announcement (2018-19 one is not yet available online) stated:

3. CONFIRMATION OF PARTICIPATION

3.1 Confirmation of Participation of Seeded Skaters/Couples
The ISU Members must confirm the participation of the Seeded Skaters/Couples in the two (2) events to the
ISU Secretariat by August 15, 2017. If a Seeded Skater/Couple does not participate in the event(s) for which
they are designated, there will be no substitute event(s).

3.2 Confirmation of Participation of Invited Skaters/Couples
The invitations for participation for Skaters/Couples, besides the seeded ones, will be forwarded to the ISU
Members concerned through the Organizing ISU Member of the respective ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating
event. The ISU Members of these Invited Skaters/Couples must confirm participation to the ISU Secretariat,
and the Organizing ISU Member by August 15, 2017.
 
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Is it me or does Internationaux De France have the best field across disciplines? If I had to pick a GP event to attend this would be it
 

misskarne

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Is it me or does Internationaux De France have the best field across disciplines? If I had to pick a GP event to attend this would be it

It's pretty good, though I like Helsinki better. It's a bit of a shame though...one of the best fields at the worst event. I wonder if the coloured plastic stars will be back this year?
 

muffinplus

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It's pretty good, though I like Helsinki better. It's a bit of a shame though...one of the best fields at the worst event. I wonder if the coloured plastic stars will be back this year?

I want to go but not sure about Grenoble in November...
 

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Is it me or does Internationaux De France have the best field across disciplines? If I had to pick a GP event to attend this would be it

As a Med, H/D and J/C fan who also likes Higuchi, I like Skate Canada's lineup enough to actually go. Men are sorta meh but that's rarely my focus anyway.

I was in Grenoble last year (wretchedly sick) and other than the lack of food options around the arena, thought it was great. The weather was nice, not too cold, and the scenery is :swoon:
 

Rock2

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I'd certainly be all for him giving it a go, but I think the 2019-20 season is probably going to be a big lift for him to get onto the international team, assuming Joseph Phan and Conrad Orzel keeping developing. They'll both be going senior that year, and there's no chance Canada is going to have more than two spots in the men's competition that year.

Canadian men is like where US men was before Chen. A bunch of talented athletes whose upside potential is top 10 at worlds.

So it becomes, who breaks through now that Patrick is gone? Keegan has definitely taken that step forward; now it's about who will join him on the world team and scoop up some points.

If I'm handicapping, I give Reynolds and Phan the inside track, which means Kevin is still relevant to me.

I kind of see all the others in one bucket - clearly showing talent in the practice rink, but no real progression in competition results (scoring and/or placement). So, until someone really lays it down in at least a senior B, GO KEVIN!!
 

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