ISU confirms more positive doping tests

poths said:
Can we be clear. Medonium has never been "Legal", but rather, not on the banned list. I know it's semantics, but saying that it was legal implies that it was known to WADA and accepted as non performance enhancing. However, medonium is another case of cheats being ahead of the testers. Once the drug and its benefits became apparent, it was banned.....
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It's ridiculous to think that a drug that's been used on the eastern side of Europe for years and years had been unknown to WADA.
 
allezfred said:
Using birth control pills to regulate menstrual cycles is one of the reasons why they are prescribed by doctors though.

No doctor worth their salt should be prescribing meldonium to people like Sharapova or Bobrova who do not need the drug for any legitimate medical reason at all. It's highly unethical.
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Yes, doctors prescribe BCPs to regulate menstrual cycles. However, people often want to regulate menstrual cycles for non-medical reasons. If you tell the doctor "I'd like to take BCPs because I don't like the inconvenience of carrying sanitary supplies," that's not a medical reason but you'll get a prescription (unless, of course, you have contraindications).
 
poths said:
Yes. The word of a drugs cheat. That's obviously tripe. You have to laugh at the litany of people on this board who are unable to see what's genuinely right before their eyes. Systematic cheating/doping across all sports.

Whoever said they were "loving Sharapova" for her honesty. She took the drug for 10 years, but never declared it once, in that entire decade. Very honest lady. She's laughing all the way to the bank with her 90 million. Mind you, Lance Armstrong still has 5 million twitter followers and many admirers despite being one of the greatest cons and cheats in sporting history. I'm not sure the general public really care about cheating, especially if you're pretty, personable or bring medals back to the home country.
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I would like to see how many medals and titles you would bring home if you took whatever drugs Armstrong or Sharapova were taking. Even if an ordinary person injected himself with an elephant dose of doping, he would still never be able to even come within the same stratosphere of the results those incredible athletes have achieved through a life of incredible hard work and unbelievable sacrifice.
 
poths said:
Yes. The word of a drugs cheat. That's obviously tripe. You have to laugh at the litany of people on this board who are unable to see what's genuinely right before their eyes. Systematic cheating/doping across all sports.

Whoever said they were "loving Sharapova" for her honesty. She took the drug for 10 years, but never declared it once, in that entire decade. Very honest lady. She's laughing all the way to the bank with her 90 million. Mind you, Lance Armstrong still has 5 million twitter followers and many admirers despite being one of the greatest cons and cheats in sporting history. I'm not sure the general public really care about cheating, especially if you're pretty, personable or bring medals back to the home country.
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BRAVO, Poths.

I am angry if Sharapova might seem, call me crazy, to have constructed this idiotic idea that she needed to prevent illness: Flu, Diabetes, what else, oh irregular EKGs, wait there was something, Magnesium Deficiency? Isn't she brave? But huh did someone say she took it for 10 years, when 4 weeks might have been enough? Wait, 4 weeks will prevent Diabetes? Hey, Hey, what do you say, PR wins? Serena came out yesterday and said Sharapova showed a lot of heart... Pot kettle gray? http://www.people.com/article/maria-sharapova-spotted-out-fail-doping-test-serena-wiliams. I want to call BS on them both, Sharapova first because she apparently earned the most money out of women's tennis, but Serena came a close second, should we wonder how? Will we ever know?

I'm not sad if and when any of them get caught, and by them, I am saying I am suspicious that ALL professional and some amateur sportsmen and women do drugs. And if I were an athlete, I would have to put me on a list somewhere too because apparently IMO there are doctors who are mistreating their patients. Who, What, When?

Apparently there might be more from the Russian figure skating team, but I fervently hope there are no more skaters from any country doing any kind of drugs, yet can't doubt that there might be more because skating has become an endurance sport.

And of course, we haven't even touched other sports...American Baseball comes to mind--Lenny Dykstra or Alex Rodriguez among those suspended. Lance Armstrong might be the king of all time athletic cheaters--I am so insulted that I spent hours following his races. American Footballers are apparently doing PEDs or HGHs--maybe that is why some are retiring, get out now before you get caught. The Track and Field stars just keep going faster, higher--the swimmers faster, longer.

This drug Meldonium is probably only one of many. A lot more athletes are going to get caught for this and other drugs. I am concerned for the Olympics. I can only dream that the testing has gotten more sophisticated and will be implemented this summer and at future Os--let's hope they keep updated.

I recently have had a lot of dental work. The drugs that were offered to me would scare an addict. I rejected all. I blame the doctors second, but first I blame the athletes, they know, wouldn't any human being ask what is that pill for, what is that shot for? There should be checks and balances.

I am sad for our children that the bubbles around their heroes can be busted. Adults know better.

I hope any athlete doing drugs or additives loses his or her $$$ contracts and yes, their careers.
 
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I've been of the opinion, ever since the Ben Johnson debacle, that all elite athletes will do anything not-illegal if it will enhance their performance. And most will cheat if they can get away with it, because they all think the other guy is doing it too. Hence, it isn't "really" cheating.

ETA - My related opinion is that the first is not cheating, and the second fails to justify breaking the rules.

Too many Marion Jones's out there. Makes my brain hurt.
 
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Xela M said:
I would like to see how many medals and titles you would bring home if you took whatever drugs Armstrong or Sharapova were taking. Even if an ordinary person injected himself with an elephant dose of doping, he would still never be able to even come within the same stratosphere of the results those incredible athletes have achieved through a life of incredible hard work and unbelievable sacrifice.
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And you think hard work, sacrifice and talent justifies doping by top athletes?

gingercat said:
It is sad to think that other athletes who follow the WADA rules are competing against athletes who have a drug enhanced advantage. It is also sad that some people cannot see that this is actually cheating.
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Thank you.
 
Xela M said:
I would like to see how many medals and titles you would bring home if you took whatever drugs Armstrong or Sharapova were taking. Even if an ordinary person injected himself with an elephant dose of doping, he would still never be able to even come within the same stratosphere of the results those incredible athletes have achieved through a life of incredible hard work and unbelievable sacrifice.
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This is so not the point!
 
ballettmaus said:
I have to agree and I really don't see how people can say taking medication is harmless. Anything you take, even the most simple medication or supplement hs an effect on the body. I know that it is a lot easier to get certain medications in the US without prescription but that doesn't mean they don't have an effect on the body. Everything we take needs to be digested and everything we take has an effect on any organ it goes through.
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It really depends on how you approach things. For myself, I avoid medicines as much as possible, but I have nothing against Vitamin-Mineral supplements. My father was a doctor and I was brought up to find the balance between taking a medicine when needed, but giving nature a chance first. The current trend among doctors in the USA is to prescribe a lot of medicines as preventatives. I have always resisted those, but I know that some people would think it's a good thing to not wait until you get sick, and use these preventative medicines. So I don't want to judge people too harshly. It really depends on your approach.
 
Aerobicidal said:
"Drugs take away the dream from every child’s heart and replace it with a nightmare, and it’s time we . . . stand up and replace those dreams." - Nancy Reagan
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Actually drugs (in this case PEDs) allow many young athletes to achieve their dreams and in doing so bring a great deal of pleasure to their fans.

I don't see PED taking as a good vs. evil situation. Sports are inherently unfair. It's better to be tall than short in basketball; it's better to be short than tall in pairs skating. Underweight works for jockeys and overweight for football players. I could have starved my body into submission, worked my muscles until I looked like Hercules, and I still would have failed as a figure skater, because I'm bad at visual memory, spatial relations, and depth perception.

If, as a fan, I want my favorite athletes to be successfully completing the complex and physically challenging moves required in skating and tennis and just about every other sport, then I'd better accept that those athletes are going to take whatever they can get to increase their strength, stamina, and flexibility.

Otherwise I'd better accept that the sport that I like isn't going to look like the sport that I like much longer.
 
Aerobicidal said:
"Drugs take away the dream from every child’s heart and replace it with a nightmare, and it’s time we . . . stand up and replace those dreams." - Nancy Reagan
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Your avatar is a disgrace! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :drama: :cheer:

It reminds me how much Bobrova looks like Sharapova. She was known as "Sharapova's long lost sister" on one site when they first came on the scene. They really do look alike!

Methinks Ekaterina took the comparison a wee bit too far though... :shuffle:
 
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blue_idealist said:
B&S, P&C, V&M and D&W aren't the only ice dance teams in the competitions. What about their closest competitors, the Shibs and Pechalat and Bourzat? Weaver/Poje? Or anyone else, for that matter.
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I just used them as examples. A lot goes into being a better athletic performance. It's not like the drug elevates the athlete to great heights. Taking examples from baseball, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds were great players to begin with. The drugs didn't make them great.
 
poths said:
Whoever said they were "loving Sharapova" for her honesty. She took the drug for 10 years, but never declared it once, in that entire decade. Very honest lady. She's laughing all the way to the bank with her 90 million. Mind you, Lance Armstrong still has 5 million twitter followers and many admirers despite being one of the greatest cons and cheats in sporting history. I'm not sure the general public really care about cheating, especially if you're pretty, personable or bring medals back to the home country.
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Yea I've been thinking about peoples reactions on all this, particularly re: Maria.

Looking at some tennis boards, some Sharapova fans defend anything and everything - I've seen suggestions that this is "nothing" and "no news at all" - there is apparently a #worldwithmaria hashtag doing the rounds....

And then there are those who essentially want her world destroyed.

Us humans can be very good at justifying that which fits a certain agenda or narrative, and right and wrong may have nothing to do with it :lol:
 
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Loves_Shizuka said:
And it is reminding how much Bobrova looks like Sharapova. She was known as "Sharapova's long lost sister" on one site when they first came on the scene. They really do look alike!
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Bobrova looks nothing like Sharapova..... :D Or do you think "all Slavs looks alike"?..... :D
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...obrova.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20140209190856
http://biografieonline.it/img/bio/m/Maria_Sharapova.jpg
By "slavs" standards Sharapova is an aristocrat, and Bobrova is a milk-maiden..... :D
 
hanca said:
I thought that there is a legitimate reason. The inventor of the drug wrote about preventative use. Elite sportsmen are training at such a high level that it puts pressure on their heart and could potentially lead to heart attack. Taking this medication would protect the sportsmen/ make it less likely that they would have a heart attack. So one can argue that actually they needed it, as preventative measure. I can't see why that shouldn't be a legitimate medical reason.
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First of all, "the inventor of the drug"? I'm sure his concern has absolutely nothing to do with sales. :lol:

Secondly, if you potentially have a health risk to your heart perhaps that's a sign that you should not be endangering your health with strenuous exercise? Because if you disregard a doctor's advice on it, you are a reckless dumbass.
 
hanca said:
I thought that there is a legitimate reason. The inventor of the drug wrote about preventative use. Elite sportsmen are training at such a high level that it puts pressure on their heart and could potentially lead to heart attack. Taking this medication would protect the sportsmen/ make it less likely that they would have a heart attack. So one can argue that actually they needed it, as preventative measure. I can't see why that shouldn't be a legitimate medical reason.
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I read an interview with an Estonian doctor who is in the country's anti-doping agency..he explained that it is partly a cultural thing; that in Eastern Europe and Russia the accepted idea has been for decades that hard training is/can be damaging to health and the heart especially, and therefore these drugs are necessary as "preventative" measures. According to him, there is no truth to this.
 
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