IOC's decision: (clean) Russian athletes can compete under neutral flag at PyeongChang Olympics

[Vagabond]

4th athlete of the games tested positive for doping and is Russian.

In this case, the bobsledder tested clean a few days before the result. She had a 12th place result.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ils-doping-test-at-winter-games-idUSKCN1G712E

“The Bobsleigh Federation of Russia and the athlete herself understand the extent of their responsibility and understand how what has happened can have an impact on the fate of the whole team.”

We can safely assume she understood this before she took the drug. And yet she did it anyway. This case calls out for a lifetime ban.

 

[caseyedwards]

..I'm trying to think of a figure skater who looked sad after receiving a gold medal at the Olympics before this. Failing.

Both Plushenko and trankov were criticized for not beaming! Duhamel even said trankov must be miserable and hate life!!

 

[misskarne]

We can safely assume she understood this before she took the drug. And yet she did it anyway. This case calls out for a lifetime ban.

She could fight it with two words: Justin Gatlin.

 

[lala]

Zagitova is quite an introvert, so who knows what she would have looked like has it been the Russian national anthem played. The girl has been tamed by her 2-3 years training in Moscow. Add to the fact her coach favored her teammate, I guess she figured she wasn't allowed to celebrate fully. I hope she does with her family.

Zagitova was more classy as Lipinsky, Baiul or Yagudin

 

[lala]

Both Plushenko and trankov were criticized for not beaming! Duhamel even said trankov must be miserable and hate life!!

LOL! What did they know about their feelings inside? If anybody read Plushenko's biography don't say such stupidity.
But this collage is so funny! https://twitter.com/Lily_shenka/status/926277542461476864

 

[mumboman]

She could fight it with two words: Justin Gatlin.

And she would be found dead somewhere if she did the same thing, just like the many russian officials who have disappeared. Do you realize how much information Justin Gatlin gave to anti doping officials to save his own butt.

 

[Mad for Skating]

I don't care anymore, I just miss Stolbova like crazy right now.

 

[caseyedwards]

And she would be found dead somewhere if she did the same thing, just like the many russian officials who have disappeared. Do you realize how much information Justin Gatlin gave to anti doping officials to save his own butt.

No one has disappeared! I don’t get it! Russian men really don’t have a great life expectancy yet if someone in the government dies at 60 they are murdered by putin! Why? 60 is great.

 

[snippy]

I wouldn’t be so hard on Zagitova. I could be reading things wrong, but I know if it were me I’d be slightly disappointed that I wasn’t hearing my anthem played or seeing my flag.

 

[kinoriH]

Both Plushenko and trankov were criticized for not beaming! Duhamel even said trankov must be miserable and hate life!!

Lol i don't think Trankov was at all SAD during the flower/medals ceremony. Just very emotional. In an interview he said he was thinking about his late father so that's why he kept looking above as if to honour him.
Plus during the medal ceremony he was ecstatic. For Fedor and Ksenia as well.

Duhamel always has something to say.

 

[MacMadame]

I wouldn’t be so hard on Zagitova. I could be reading things wrong, but I know if it were me I’d be slightly disappointed that I wasn’t hearing my anthem played or seeing my flag.

That's what she says in this article about the whole Russia/OAR/IOC thing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...term=.4592c0f1b978&wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

 

[caseyedwards]

That's what she says in this article about the whole Russia/OAR/IOC thing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...term=.4592c0f1b978&wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

There is no quote from zagitova after the medal ceremony. There is is just a guy saying her face said this or that. What she did say was “I and everyone knows where I am from”

 

[hanca]

Well, IOC punished a 15 year old girl. At the time the doping in Sochi took place, she was 11, so she wouldn’t be able to influence it anyhow. I hope they are proud of how they ensure only clean athlete competed. They robbed her of her moment on the podium, but hurray. She is Russian so it is what she deserves, obviously! It leaves a bitter aftertaste in my mouth though.

 

[JanetB]

Well, IOC punished a 15 year old girl. At the time the doping in Sochi took place, she was 11, so she wouldn’t be able to influence it anyhow. I hope they are proud of how they ensure only clean athlete competed. They robbed her of her moment on the podium, but hurray. She is Russian so it is what she deserves, obviously! It leaves a bitter aftertaste in my mouth though.

The reason Alina Zagitova competed as an OAR was because Russia ran a doping scheme in Sochi. Many non-Russian athletes either didn't get the right placements or may not have been able to compete at all because of that scheme. The IOC was well within their rights to outright ban all Russia athletes but they allowed many "clean" to compete. If you want to blame anyone, blame the government of Russia and stop whining for God's sake.

 

[hanca]

The reason Alina Zagitova competed as an OAR was because Russia ran a doping scheme in Sochi. Many non-Russian athletes either didn't get the right placements or may not have been able to compete at all because of that scheme. The IOC was well within their rights to outright ban all Russia athletes but they allowed many "clean" to compete. If you want to blame anyone, blame the government of Russia and stop whining for God's sake.

Russia did run a doping scheme. Did Zagitova get involved in this scheme? No, she didn’t. At the time of Sochi olympics she was 11. So she is a casualty of the war. Not sure how others feel, but seeing a 15 year old casualty of politics doesn’t make me feel very comfortable. She didn’t deserve this.

 

[JanetB]

Russia did run a doping scheme. Did Zagitova get involved in this scheme? No, she didn’t. So she is a casualty of the war. Not sure how others feel, but seeing a 15 year old casualty of politics doesn’t make me feel very comfortable. She didn’t deserve this.

Competing in the Olympics is a privilege, not a right, the IOC was very generous when they allowed any Russian athletes to compete. And again all of the non-Russian athletes at Russian, some of whom may have been 15, where casualty of the Russian governments desire for more medals. Why do you think Russian athletes are more important than non-Russian athletes.

 

[hanca]

Do you actually read it after yourself? Can you honestly say that you are happy with this? So according to the same strategy, all Germans should have been short after the war? Even the innocent ones, who have never harmed anyone? Because a casualty of war deserve this? A girl who was 11 at the time of the Russian doping deserves this?

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

Do you actually read it after yourself? Can you honestly say that you are happy with this? So according to the same strategy, all Germans should have been short after the war? Even the innocent ones, who have never harmed anyone? Because a casualty of war deserve this? A girl who was 11 at the time of the Russian doping deserves this?

Yeah. Lets punish Zagitova for the sins of Putin... makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Twilight1]

Hanca- clearly doesn't care about the other athletes who got robbed of their Olympic moments/chance to compete from other countries because of Russian doping... their innocence means shyte compared to the "poor innocent and wronged Russians."

 

[hanca]

I care about all innocent athletes. But one wrong doesn’t make another wrong right. The fact that innocent athletes lost their medal is not Zagitova’s fault, is it!

 

[Twilight1]

Hanca- there is a cancer in the Russian system of sport and it won't get cured until people start actually recognizing it's existence. Wanting people murdered for whistleblowing is the very essence of why the judgement should be harsh.

It is disgusting and fundamentally vile.

There are Zagitova's elsewhere in the world in other sport, in other countries and Russia killed their chances.

The right of one athlete is not more important than the rights of many.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

The reason Alina Zagitova competed as an OAR was because Russia ran a doping scheme in Sochi. Many non-Russian athletes either didn't get the right placements or may not have been able to compete at all because of that scheme. The IOC was well within their rights to outright ban all Russia athletes but they allowed many "clean" to compete. If you want to blame anyone, blame the government of Russia and stop whining for God's sake.

She was lucky she could compete and get her medal on her personal level. Not playing her national anthem is a smaller shadow compared to not being there.

 

[caseyedwards]

The reason Alina Zagitova competed as an OAR was because Russia ran a doping scheme in Sochi. Many non-Russian athletes either didn't get the right placements or may not have been able to compete at all because of that scheme. The IOC was well within their rights to outright ban all Russia athletes but they allowed many "clean" to compete. If you want to blame anyone, blame the government of Russia and stop whining for God's sake.

Yes Russia ran a doping scheme in Sochi! The athletes didn’t! Not one east German was ever punished for what East Germany did! Just looking over Germany medals from 1992 winter Olympics tons of East Germans competed as Germans and won medals! Not one athlete was ever punished. But now not only are athlete who were doped by the state punished athletes who weren’t doped by the state punished! There are precedents here! And for the first time ever in history doped athletes are punished as well as non doped athletes. It’s not right and it’s not fair and the only proper punishment for state sponsored doping is against the state not the athlete victims. All the athletes were victims! I used to think because each athlete had to send their doping control form to the ministry that it was more athlete driven than even state driven but if the ministry didn’t revive the doping control form number maybe they would have been dropped from all sports or maybe even executed!

 

[Sylvia]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/winter-olympics/43186278

Russia's Olympic ban will be lifted if there are no further doping violations from their athletes at Pyeongchang 2018, the International Olympic Committee has voted unanimously.

However, the IOC says Russian athletes will not be allowed to parade under their own flag at the closing ceremony.

 

[ToFarAwayTimes]

OAR will remain in place for closing ceremonies. Russia will not be awarded any medals from these games.

I still maintain they should not have been allowed to compete in any team events, including figure skating. If they were clean, I have no problem with them competing as independent athletes, but it should be been "Independent Olympic Athletes" or whatever they did with India last time.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

OAR will remain in place for closing ceremonies. Russia will not be awarded any medals from these games.

I still maintain they should not have been allowed to compete in any team events, including figure skating. If they were clean, I have no problem with them competing as independent athletes, but it should be been "Independent Olympic Athletes" or whatever they did with India last time.

India competed as India by the end of the games, as sanctions were lifted.

 

[ToFarAwayTimes]

India competed as India by the end of the games, as sanctions were lifted.

Well they shouldn't have done that either. The perfect compromise would be ban from team events, national flag, uniforms, anthem, national olympic committee officials banned, everything. But the individual athletes who did nothing can still compete in individual events. They win medals and the country gets nothing. Would discourage state sponsored doping in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

Well they shouldn't have done that either. The perfect compromise would be ban from team events, national flag, uniforms, anthem, national olympic committee officials banned, everything. But the individual athletes who did nothing can still compete in individual events. They win medals and the country gets nothing. Would discourage state sponsored doping in my opinion.

IOC highly pompous organisation, it needs support of a country like Russia, who is a permanent member of security council, It can't just pi$$ it off.
Secondly, NHL decided not to turn up for the games. KHL were very happy not to release its athletes for IOC if Russia team was not available, Ice Hockey would have been in trouble without top two leagues in the world. Reality is till now countries that were getting banned were not strong in team events, Russia was the first one to pose this problem. Also, this is a good templete to address future problems IOC will inevitably face from other countries.

 

[ballettmaus]

She didn’t deserve this.

Neither did any of the athletes who doped Russians deprived of their winning moments.

Do you actually read it after yourself? Can you honestly say that you are happy with this? So according to the same strategy, all Germans should have been short after the war? Even the innocent ones, who have never harmed anyone? Because a casualty of war deserve this? A girl who was 11 at the time of the Russian doping deserves this?

Germans may not have been shot, but generations who had nothing to do with the Nazi regime or the war were still blamed and/or held responsible.


If you want to blame someone, blame the Russian government. They're the culprit.

 

[skatepixie]

..I'm trying to think of a figure skater who looked sad after receiving a gold medal at the Olympics before this. Failing.

I think it would be very hard to compete for your country and not see your flag. At the venue ceremony, there were fans with Russian flags behind the girls (very sweet) but at the medal plaza, nothing. So very weird to see the FS medals at the medal plaza anyway -- I don't like it, and I feel cheated out of the photos of the skaters with their medals in their costumes.