IOC's decision: (clean) Russian athletes can compete under neutral flag at PyeongChang Olympics

[Vagabond]

What is this?

Something shot before the IOC's announcement and posted by a clueless intern at Vogue Russia?
Or an EVILLE KONSPIRACY by one of Tutberidze's rivals to sabotage Zagitova's career via PhotoShop?

 

[IceAlisa]

Something shot before the IOC's announcement and posted by a clueless intern at Vogue Russia?
Or an EVILLE KONSPIRACY by one of Tutberidze's rivals to sabotage Zagitova's career via PhotoShop?

They could have pulled this at Vogue Russia, knowing what went down on December 5th. Happens all the time. Plus those uniforms are fug, the IOC did them a favor.

 

[IceAlisa]

clueless intern at Vogue Russia

 

[caseyedwards]

A January version of a magazine is probably finished in November or October even.

 

[IceAlisa]

A January version of a magazine is probably finished in November or October even.

and? they pull features all the time and the ban happened on Dec 5

 

[caseyedwards]

and? they pull features all the time and the ban happened on Dec 5

There’s so much talk about pretending this is just like any other Olympics! Maybe it’s just part of the total denial mindset that swept the country over this!

 

[overedge]

There’s so much talk about pretending this is just like any other Olympics! Maybe it’s just part of the total denial mindset that swept the country over this!

People not agreeing with you or ignoring your obsessive ravings is not "total denial".

 

[Wyliefan]

clueless intern at Vogue Russia

Clueless enough to put a skater in a swimsuit.

 

[caseyedwards]

People not agreeing with you or ignoring your obsessive ravings is not "total denial".

Lol “obsessive ravings” is ridiculous! That’s totally divorced from the actions the IOC has taken that many said would never happen and were “fake news.”

 

[IceAlisa]

Clueless enough to put a skater in a swimsuit.

Yeah, I haven't thought of that. I thought this was a winter Olympics.

 

[Bellanca]

If alcohol were a banned substance most of the judges and the coaches would not be allowed.

Yeah, no doubt about it.

 

[skatingguy]

The Oswald Commission has concluded their work for the time being, having adjudicated on 46 cases, resulting in sanctions against 43 Russian athletes from the 2014 Winter Olympics. The Russians have been stripped of 13 medals.
This is my best count on who will gain those medals once all the cases have been heard by the Court for Arbitration for Sport
Country Gold Silver Bronze
Norway 0 2 1
Latvia 2 -1 1
United States of America 0 3 -2
Italy 0 1 0
Belarus 0 0 1
Canada 0 0 1
Czech Republic 0 0 1
Germany 0 0 1
Great Britain 0 0 1
People’s Republic of China 0 0 1
Switzerland 1 -1 0
France 0 1 -1
Netherlands 0 1 -1
Sweden 0 1 -1
Ukraine 0 1 -1

IOC SANCTIONS 11 RUSSIAN ATHLETES AS PART OF OSWALD COMMISSION FINDINGS
https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-sanctions-11-russian-athletes-as-part-of-oswald-commission-findings

 

[Andrushka]

@Andrushka As it stands right now, they will be allowed to compete as if Russia wasn't banned - as long as the doping tests are negative. I assume all the ladies in Russia will be just fine as far as that last requirement goes.

So far none of the ladies have said anything definitive (probably because who knows if they'll even qualify at Russian Nationals), but Medvedeva sounds like she's going to compete if she qualifies.

i hope so because she is amazing!

 

[Deleted member 40371]

Russian sliders still eligible to compete in IBSF events after CAS decide against ruling

Russian sliders including Alexander Tretiakov and Elena Nikitina will remain eligible to compete internationally after the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) decided that they have no jurisdiction to rule on an appeal filed against a decision made by the International Bobsleigh and Skeleton Federation's (IBSF) own Anti-Doping Hearing Panel.

The IBSF panel chaired by Dutch lawyer Dolf Segaar ruled that IOC evidence reached in their reasoned verdicts against disqualified Olympic champions Tretiakov and Alexander Zubkov is "not compatible with the principles of international law, Swiss procedural law and in particular with Article 6:1 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights regarding the right to a fair process".

Earlier International Luge Federation also took similar ruling. This judgement does not effect the olympic ban, which these athletes have appealed to the CAS.

 

[caseyedwards]

Very interesting! It shows how many people do want the emails and texts the athletes sent the ministry with their doping control form number so they really know that the athletes were aggressively cheating.

 

[Sylvia]

The CAS hearing in the matter of 39 Russian athletes [from Sochi 2014] vs/ the IOC will commence on 22 January 2018: http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Media_Release__hearing_RUS_IOC__FINAL.pdf
Dr. Grigory Rodchenkov and Prof. Richard McLaren will testify at the CAS hearings via video- or telephone-conference.

Russian Investigators Deny Doping Whistle-Blower’s [Rodchenkov's] Claims: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/sports/olympics/russia-doping.html

How many Russians will be at the Olympics? No one knows, and that’s a problem.
By columnist Barry Svrluga (Jan. 11): https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...5a08b6-f6f1-11e7-a9e3-ab18ce41436a_story.html

 

[Sylvia]

Russians to get 'neutral' gray, red uniforms for Olympics: https://wintergames.ap.org/article/russians-get-neutral-gray-red-uniforms-olympics

 

[Tinami Amori]

Russians to get 'neutral' gray, red uniforms for Olympics: https://wintergames.ap.org/article/russians-get-neutral-gray-red-uniforms-olympics

Yeap! and here are the hockey uniforms, they are slightly different.. https://twitter.com/rsportru/status/942379670904954880/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2017/12/18/16793060/team-russia-hockey-jersey-2018-olympics

 

[kwanfan1818]

Talk about creating collectors' items.

 

[Willin]

Meanwhile...
I guess they're not totally clean. It seems at least in Track and Field doping was incredibly entrenched into the system - this was only a regional tournament!
One wonders if Track and Field in Russia was a contest of who was the best at doping...

But it also does seem like this is evidence that this was not only the Russian government, but the sport itself. It's not like Track and Field is clean, even outside of Russia, and I doubt the government of Russia is creating doping programs for regional-level athletes.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Meanwhile...
I guess they're not totally clean. It seems at least in Track and Field doping was incredibly entrenched into the system - this was only a regional tournament!
One wonders if Track and Field in Russia was a contest of who was the best at doping...

But it also does seem like this is evidence that this was not only the Russian government, but the sport itself. It's not like Track and Field is clean, even outside of Russia, and I doubt the government of Russia is creating doping programs for regional-level athletes.

Oh, we have another "doping drama" coming up for next Summer Olympics. The Nike Oregon Project doping issues have not yet been resolved....
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/sports/nike-oregon-project-doping-allegations.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/sports/nike-oregon-project-alberto-salazar-dathan-ritzenhein.html

and then there are documentaries...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLfbqqAEKwo

 

[Willin]

@Tinami Amori So how many times to I have to point out to you that the Nike Oregon project has like 9 US athletes and 3 international athletes, barely a small fraction of all Track & Field/Distance Running athletes in the US? That isn't symptomatic of anything other than Nike being the terrible company its always been.

 

[skatingguy]

REDUCED POOL OF RUSSIAN ATHLETES AND OFFICIALS WHO CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR INVITATION TO PYEONGCHANG 2018 DETERMINED
https://www.olympic.org/news/reduce...for-invitation-to-pyeongchang-2018-determined

 

[Tinami Amori]

REDUCED POOL OF RUSSIAN ATHLETES AND OFFICIALS WHO CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR INVITATION TO PYEONGCHANG 2018 DETERMINED
https://www.olympic.org/news/reduce...for-invitation-to-pyeongchang-2018-determined

Darn, it's better be reduced.... Russians submitted 507 (or certainly over 500) names for approval, and about 110+ were "reduced". Right now the approved list consists of 389 athletes, with few maybe added later (if....).

 

[skatingguy]

Darn, it's better be reduced.... Russians submitted 507 (or certainly over 500) names for approval, and about 110+ were "reduced". Right now the approved list consists of 389 athletes, with few maybe added later (if....).

I think the more interesting, and possible consequential thing in the article is the part about coaches and trainers that have been restricted. A current top athlete might be able to participate because they were not competing at the Olympic level in 2014 but a key member of their team may not be able to be there during the games, and that could really affect their performance.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I think the more interesting, and possible consequential thing in the article is the part about coaches and trainers that have been restricted. A current top athlete might be able to participate because they were not competing at the Olympic level in 2014 but a key member of their team may not be able to be there during the games, and that could really affect their performance.

I am not following coaches/trainers situation for the whole Oly team (only skating, and its all fine), so i can't comment on the issue..

 

[caseyedwards]

I wonder if bobrova made the first cut!

 

[Karen-W]

Well, this is a pretty big name to be banned from Pyeongchang.

http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/w...-track-star-viktor-ahn-barred-from-2018-games

 

[skateboy]

Well, this is a pretty big name to be banned from Pyeongchang.

http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/w...-track-star-viktor-ahn-barred-from-2018-games

Wow!

 

[caseyedwards]

Well, this is a pretty big name to be banned from Pyeongchang.

http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/w...-track-star-viktor-ahn-barred-from-2018-games

Scratch on his bottle! Funny that sotnikovas bottle scratches were determined normal wear and tear but his suspicious. Ahn wasn’t on duchess list or had suspicious salt in the sample so he’s banned just for scratches. Just makes me think Sotnikova could’ve been banned for her scratches.