Gymnastic news #22 - Tokyo or bust

[Braulio]

I think IOC/FIG would give Chuso that wildcard invitation spot, the lady deserves one last chance at the Olympics

Though with her you never know when will it be that 'last' olympics!

 

[Erin]

I think IOC/FIG would give Chuso that wildcard invitation spot, the lady deserves one last chance at the Olympics

Unfortunately the “wildcard” spot can’t go to just anyone. It’s not really a wildcard spot. The spot is for underrepresented countries at the Olympics, selected by the tripartite commission and has to be chosen from countries who sent eight or fewer athletes to the previous two Olympics. Uzbekistan definitely had more than eight athletes in 2016, so Chuso wouldn’t be eligible.

I’m going to keep holding out hope she will get in with her AA score until tomorrow’s competition is over though!

 

[ilovepaydays]

WAIT. I thought after this Worlds, there are still individual spots to be earned at the various continental championships in 2020. Couldn’t a Romanian (Europe) or Chuso (Asia) qualify for a spot there?

 

[danafan]

My understanding is that the continental berths are maximum of two athletes by AA rank, and cannot be earned by a gymnast already qualified, or helped their team qualify. There's no way Chusovitina is going to be able to be top two in Asia, and it's unlikely any of the Romanians could either.

 

[Braulio]

Unfortunately the “wildcard” spot can’t go to just anyone. It’s not really a wildcard spot. The spot is for underrepresented countries at the Olympics, selected by the tripartite commission and has to be chosen from countries who sent eight or fewer athletes to the previous two Olympics. Uzbekistan definitely had more than eight athletes in 2016, so Chuso wouldn’t be eligible.

I’m going to keep holding out hope she will get in with her AA score until tomorrow’s competition is over though!

I don't know nowadays but back in 2008 Mexico got an invitation (wildcard) for Belem Guerrero, she was olympic silver medalist in Athens 2004 and because of some confussion/burocracy by our cycling federation she missed the olympic qualification process on paper, Mexican olympic comitee did their part and got that invitation for Belem. (in vane 'cause In the end she declined the invitation)

So I think Chuso can still get to Tokyo 2020 or I want to believe somehow she will be there competing

 

[Deleted member 40371]

Team Japan just had less than stellar flood routines, by that I mean they have 10th best with USA, Russia and Brazil to compete.

ETA: Japan finishes 0.010 behind Belgium, no team final for them and if Switzerland and Brazil do well, they won't qualify for the Olympics. Japan finished 6th at the last world championships, currently, they are 9th in the qualifiers with USA, Russia, Brazil and Switzerland to compete; Hungary and Argentina are expected to not beat Japan.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

Russia competing now, they are expected to be a complete train wreck here. However, they have qualified a full team from last world championships, so the pressure is slightly off.

 

[Erin]

My understanding is that the continental berths are maximum of two athletes by AA rank, and cannot be earned by a gymnast already qualified, or helped their team qualify. There's no way Chusovitina is going to be able to be top two in Asia, and it's unlikely any of the Romanians could either.

I agree about Chuso but maybe I’m crazy but I don’t think it’s impossible for Romania to get a spot at Euros. The first spot will almost certainly go to Russia, as they can send their new seniors to try to earn it. But the second spot seems like anyone’s game. I’m trying to think of top AAers on teams who weren’t at Worlds and the only ones who immediately comes to mind are Amelie Morgan, Kelly Simm, a healthy Axelle Klinckaert and I feel like Golgota on a good day would be competitive with them. Romania’s new seniors born in 2004 are also among the best after Russia. I think Bachynska from Ukraine and Perez from Spain would hopefully be competitive for this spot too. I’m probably missing someone really obvious?

 

[skipaway]

Am watching the live stream. Great attendance in Stuttgart!

 

[snoopyskater]

Am watching the live stream. Great attendance in Stuttgart!

So much better than seeing the nearly empty arenas in Doha last year.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

I agree about Chuso but maybe I’m crazy but I don’t think it’s impossible for Romania to get a spot at Euros. The first spot will almost certainly go to Russia, as they can send their new seniors (and/or Mustafina lol) to try to earn it. But the second spot seems like anyone’s game. I’m trying to think of top AAers on teams who weren’t at Worlds and the only ones who immediately come to mind are Amelie Morgan, Kelly Simm, a healthy Axelle Klinckaert and I feel like Golgota on a good day would be competitive with them. Romania’s new seniors born in 2004 are also among the best after Russia. I think Bachynska from Ukraine and Perez from Spain would hopefully be competitive for this spot too. I’m probably missing someone really obvious?

Mustafina can't help Russia gain the spot since she helped them qualify the full team at the last world championships, so she is out of the question. Mustafina, if she chose can obtain a spot for the NOC through the AA world cup series held next year (criteria 6). However, the continental AA spot (criteria 7) is not available to the athletes who helped Qualify through Criteria 1( 2018 WC) or Criteria 2 (2019 WC route - 9 teams).

https://www.gymnastics.sport/publicdir/rules/files/en_Olympic%20Qualification%202020%20GA%20GR%20GT.pdf

 

[mjb52]

This isn’t a sarcastic question but why is this qualifying teams/spots system so complicated? What is the rationale underlying it/the goal they are hoping to accomplish?

 

[Aceon6]

This isn’t a sarcastic question but why is this qualifying teams/spots system so complicated? What is the rationale underlying it/the goal they are hoping to accomplish?

I see the whole thing as an attempt to handicap feds with really deep teams, aka the US. The shift to 4 athletes and ruling that if you qualified here you can't compete there are targeted at any deep team.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

I see the whole thing as an attempt to handicap feds with really deep teams, aka the US. The shift to 4 athletes and ruling that if you qualified here you can't compete there are targeted at any deep team.

Ummm, no. It was to make qualification for event specialists bit fairer. Event specialists only had one opportunity to qualify at the world championships, if they bombed at WCs they failed to qualify, by having them qualify through world cups have more than one opportunity. IOC was never going to give new quota spots for the Artistic Gymnastics, so they had to come up a formula like this. I hate the system, but your argument is false since the US WAG can qualify 6 athletes instead of 5. The focus of the change was due to the possibility of a good event specialist, especially in Men's event missing the Olympics.

 

[Erin]

This isn’t a sarcastic question but why is this qualifying teams/spots system so complicated? What is the rationale underlying it/the goal they are hoping to accomplish?

I think they keep trying to fix something that went wrong the last Olympics. And screwing it up. Next Olympics they are going back to 5 member teams and no more plus one though.

With one subdivision left, Chuso’s hopes are still alive. She is 29th, there should be 31 AA spots, as only 2 AA qualifiers means 10 extra AA spots and Japan’s host spot goes back into the pool. This subdivision just has individuals from three countries - Finland, New Zealand, and Singapore, so as long as she can stay ahead of one, she should be in.

 

[honey]

Was Marta against wearing blue or something? Seems like the USA girls have worn more blue in the last 3 years then they did in the entirety of the Marta years. These light blue leos are very pretty.

 

[FiveRinger]

I tried to rally and watch the first 2 sessions, but it was too early and I fell asleep. I woke up just in time for the start of the Americans and Brazilians. And British commentary. My day has been made.

 

[Braulio]

Simone Biles did the triple/double and now that is oficially the Biles 2 in floor at the CoP

14.833 score with .200 deductions

Just did her two vaults (Cheng and Amanar) incredible height on both, her score 15.199 and that is second -.001 behind Jade Carey

Simone got -.300 in the second vault btw

 

[FiveRinger]

I love how the commentator called a fall off the beam an “unintentional dismount.”

 

[Aceon6]

I’m a bit late, but Oly Channel has subdivision 12 coverage on now. It started at 3 Eastern and runs until 5.

 

[danafan]

According to some smart people on twitter who were doing the calculations, Chusovitina qualified for Tokyo! Yippee!

 

[Doggygirl]

Is there a way to watch the streamed events on replay? I've been looking on the NBC web site and can find the "live" stuff, but have not had luck finding replays. (I'm tech challenged!) Thanks if anyone knows or has links!

 

[danafan]

The sessions streamed by FIG are available:

Women's Qualification - Day 1

FIG Official – 49th FIG Artistic Gymnastics World Championships, 4-13 October 2019. More than 540 gymnasts from a record 92 nations are scheduled to particip...

www.youtube.com

Women's Qualification - Day 2

FIG Official – 49th FIG Artistic Gymnastics World Championships, 4-13 October 2019. More than 540 gymnasts from a record 92 nations are scheduled to particip...

www.youtube.com

 

[skipaway]

Is there a way to watch the streamed events on replay? I've been looking on the NBC web site and can find the "live" stuff, but have not had luck finding replays. (I'm tech challenged!) Thanks if anyone knows or has links!

On thé home page of NBCSports.com, left side of page you’ll see Watch Now View Full Schedule.
Click on that and the next page has tags for Full Event Replays. Click on that and they’ll load. Scroll down and you’ll find replays of some sessions. Hope that helps.

 

[Doggygirl]

On thé home page of NBCSports.com, left side of page you’ll see Watch Now View Full Schedule.
Click on that and the next page has tags for Full Event Replays. Click on that and they’ll load. Scroll down and you’ll find replays of some sessions. Hope that helps.

Thanks!!

 

[Rukia]

Simone's double double off the beam was a beaut. Wow. I hope she never does it again though. Stuff it FIG.

 

[Braulio]

Team Qualification Results
Top 8 to Team FINAL and top 10 Olympic Spots
1 USA 174.205 (Already Qualified)
2 CHN 169.161
3 RUS 168.080 (Already Qualified)
4 FRA 166.713
5 CAN 162.922
6 NED 162.663
7 GBR 161.963
8 ITA 161.931
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9 GER
10 BEL
11 JPN
12 ESP

Wow Brazil is Out of the Olympics as a team!!!

And who would have thought? Spain returns as a full team, last time they went full was at Athens 2004

 

[danafan]

Gymnastics Canada uploaded most of the Canadian routines from yesterday to their youtube channel:

Ellie Black - Beam - WAG Qualifiers - Stuttgart2019 - World Championships

Ellie Black performs her beam routine during the qualifying rounds of the 2019 Artistic Gymnastics World Championships in Stuttgart, GER.

www.youtube.com

 

[Braulio]

All Around Top 10
1 Simone Biles USA 59.432
2 Sunisa Lee USA 57.166
3 Melanie de Jesus FRA 56.782
4 Angelina Melnikova RUS 56.599
5 Liu Tingting CHN 55.865
6 Li Shijia CHN 55.732
7 Nina Derwael BEL 55.441
8 Elsabeth Black CAN 55.199
9 Elisabeth Seitz GER 54.999
10 Flavia Saraiva BRA 54.932

Apparatus Finals

Vault
1 Jade Carey USA 15.200
2 Simone Biles USA 15.199
3 Alexa Moreno MEX 14.816
4 Elissa Downey GBR 14.783
5 Yeo Seojeong KOR 14.766
6 Shallon Olsen CAN 14.683
7 Liliia Akhaimova RUS 14.633
8 Qi Qi CHN 14.599

Uneven Bars
1 Nina Derwael BEL 15.141
2 Daria Spiridonova RUS 15.016
3 Sunisa Lee USA 15.00
4 Elisabeth Seitz GER 14.800
5 Rebecca Downie GBR 14.800
6 Liu Tingting CHN 14.766
7 Simone Biles USA 14.733
8 Angelina Melnikova RUS 14.700

Beam
1 Simone Biles USA 14.800
2 Li Shijia CHN 14.500
3 Liu Tingting CHN 14.300
4 Flavia Saraiva BRA 13.700
5 Melanie de Jesus FRA 13.616
6 Sarah Voss GER 13.600
7 Elsabeth Black CAN 13.533
8 Anne Marie Padurariu CAN 13.500

Floor
1 Simone Biles USA 14.833
2 Sunisa Lee USA 14.200
3 Angelina Melnikova RUS 14.100
4 Melanie de Jesus FRA 13.966
5 Liliia Akhaimova RUS 13.933
6 Flavia Saraiva BRA 13.833
7 Roxana Popa ESP 13.800
8 Nina Derwael BEL 13.600

The Olympic qualification considers those who win a medal or finish in the top 3 of the apparatus finals, excluding those that are from a country already qualified as a team.

This means that only 3 countries are in contention: Mexico & Korea in the Vault, but it looks they only need to finish top 5 to get those realocation spots for the Olympics. And in the case of Brazil Saraiva needs the same, to finish inside top 4-5 so she can get that olympic spot and go to Tokyo as the lonely brazilian female gymnast.

 

[ilovesalchows]

Why isn’t Lee the second American on floor? Did they pull her?