From Russia with Love [#30]: If There Are Test Skate Videos, It Must Be Fall 2018

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Only thing that comes to mind:

https://youtu.be/EaNtF7q-GRY?t=158

Hard to choose who is more embarrassing at this point...

I believe Plushenko had the right to post it.. That is his building. If they hate each other then hate each other in every case. But Yag went there without asking because he wanted to earn money. It was like in 2012 when Plush wanted to invite him in 30th birthday show. He always praised Yag as his greatest rival who pushed him. Yag didn't want to go but after he accepted, probably they paid enough money and he couldn't refuse it. You can't show a bad interview from Plush on Yagudin before November of 2013 ! I'm sure. But you can't tell this about Yag. He always "stabbed" Plush a little bit. And what happened in 2014! I don't want to repeat the story we can read it in Yana's post. Why they are so outraged.

So, you don't egalize their role in this story, please. Yagudin became an unpleasant people during the years. If Yagudin fans don't understand I recommend them imagine that Plushenko did all of these shit. They will understand then.
 
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If only. But that won't happen. It will go like this:

Sergei will make a small error in the SP, PCS will drop like a stone, he will bomb the FS and end up 4th or 5th.

Mikhail will be typical Mikhail but may see his PCS go down slightly since his stock seems to be decreasing.

Max will be typical Max but with generous PCS because he is suddenly everybody's darling again now that he showed he can do 3 quads.

Dima will be typical Dima and end up 4th or 5th, or even possibly fall behind little Petr...

Samarin will skate 2 programs utterly devoid of choreography, transitions and interpretation, but will get skyhigh PCS and become the new national champion.

I'm just going to steel myself for the worst because every year has been the worst since...well, since forever.

This sounds like a very sad and very accurate portrayal of what’s going to happen 😢 but who knows, Sergei might just figure out how to peak at Nationals this year...
 
how does the bonus system work?
This is the current bonuses:

Senior Men
  • Quad loop, flip & lutz with connecting elements - 2 points
  • A program with 2 different quad jumps - 1 point
  • 3 quads in one program - 2 points

Junior Men
  • Quad+Triple combination - 2 points
  • Quad with connecting elements - 1 point

Junior & Senior Ladies
  • Triple axel with connecting elements - 2 points
  • Quad with connecting elements - 2 points

Everyone
  • Level 4 spin with no less than +4 GOE - 1 point for every spin

Notes:
  • Only elements that are properly satisfactory according to the referee and technical controller are are counted:
    • Clean entry on the Lutz and the Flip with no edge call
    • No underrotated or downgraded jumps
  • An athlete may receive more than one bonus per program
 
I believe Plushenko had the right to post it.. That is his building. If they hate each other then hate each other in every case. But Yag went there without asking because he wanted to earn money. It was like in 2012 when Plush wanted to invite him in 30th birthday show. He always praised Yag as his greatest rival who pushed him. Yag didn't want to go but after he accepted, probably they paid enough money and he couldn't refuse it. You can't show a bad interview from Plush on Yagudin before November of 2013 ! I'm sure. But you can't tell this about Yag. He always "stabbed" Plush a little bit. And what happened in 2014! I don't want to repeat the story we can read it in Yana's post. Why they are so outraged.

So, you don't egalize their role in this story, please. Yagudin became an unpleasant people during the years. If Yagudin fans don't understand I recommend them imagine that Plushenko did all of these shit. They will understand then.
Can someone elaborate? Nothing makes sense.
 
What is it exactly that is at issue? I know there has been a lot of tension between them off and on and though I love Yagudin a bit more he also definitely seems rough-edged so I don't have any problem believing he's contributed to it, but I don't understand the exact controversy here - he skated at Plushenko's academy building I get, but is it more than that or is that the sum total of it?
 
Their relationship has became bad after Sochi. Yagudin was the first who said Plush had no injury. Yag had a great role in the scandal after his WD.

But I'm posting this tweet again. Read, please
https://twitter.com/TheAnnaWatson/status/1065890047415721984 - this is the problem. Yagudin went there and worked -skated for money on that event without permission in Plush's building.

Another story in 2014 in the biggest mess there was a pranker who called Yagudin and threatened Yagudin's family by Yana's voice. Some minutes later he called again and said that was a joke. But Yagudin tweeted about it on Twitter after the second call. The pranker explained probably Yagudin wanted to some publicity with that tweet. But I don't think. He wanted to "kill" Plushenko's name. But his trying failed in 2014 Plushenko was the most popular athlete in Russia again( 2012, 2013, 2014). Ahead of Lipnitskaya and Sotnikova.
 
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Can someone elaborate? Nothing makes sense.

What is it exactly that is at issue? I know there has been a lot of tension between them off and on and though I love Yagudin a bit more he also definitely seems rough-edged so I don't have any problem believing he's contributed to it, but I don't understand the exact controversy here - he skated at Plushenko's academy building I get, but is it more than that or is that the sum total of it?

Ok.... what the heck it is a holiday in USA... :lol:

The "story of Yag vs. Plush" started decades ago, when they both were A. Mishin's students. Yag was born in St. Peterburg and was with Mishin and his #1 student, and then Plush came, as an 10-11 (?) year old boy from a remote small town, and had to live alone without family in order to train at that rink. Plush was 2-3 (?) years younger than Yag. Mishin found Plush to be very talented and started spending lots of time on him. Yag hated it, and started to OPENLY bully and hurt Plushenko. He was hitting him when no-one was watching and then telling people "he just fell on his own".
Plush's interview from the 2000's... https://www.kp.ru/daily/23963.3/72675/

Also as a proud locally born St. Petersburg-boy, Yag resented that a small town outsider is "crowding his city and the rink". He, and other boys at the rink, used to corner Plushenko and say "go back where you came from, out-of-towner".
http://www.spletnik.ru/buzz/8166-kto-kogo-aleksey-yagudin-protiv-evgeniya-plyushcenko.html

Mishin would not give up on Plushenko, and Yagudin got pissed off and went to Tarasova. Then skipping to Olys 2002, the men's event was "Plus vs. Yag" and the whole media hoopla bating two men against each, plus RABID FANS of both engaged in a war.

When Yag stopped skating competitively and started to commentate on TV while Plush was still skating, Yag was full of negativity against Plush at every chance he had. Also, Yag was skating in and working for Averbuch's shows. Averbuch is tightly connected to Russian Channel 1. Russian Channel 1 would hire Yag to commentate. So there was a 3-prone block against Plushenko: Yag putting him down, Averbuch not inviting him to skate in his shows. Channel 1, who had Averbuch and Yag under contract for "Ice Age" also leaned against Plushenko in their decisions and commentary.

During the Olympics where Plushenko's rival was Ivan, Yagudin took a stand against Plush, belittling his quad, etc..
The fight in the media continued "he-P said vs. he-Y said"..

Then Plushenko met and married Yana, they organized their own shows, started to plan the development of a skating school. Plushenko's shows became more and more successful, and a competition to Averbuch (thus Yag)... Plushenko's finances improved, he had investors interested, his wife is a society person with media work and connections, etc..

In the mean time, Plushenko continued to receive surgeries and medical treatments for his injuries, and then announced he will be skating in 2014 Olympics. Many doubted he could given he had metal screws and roads in his spine... But he was sure he can do quite well at least in Team Event, and possible in Singles event. There was only 1 spot for Men, and Kovtun also was a contender. But if Plush skated Team Event, there was no spot for Kovtun.

Yag naturally took Kovtun's side, and stated his position (aka greedy selfish Plushenko, poor Kovtun) on every channel he could.

The war continued after 2014... He-P said, He-Y said... on and off, at every opportunity, and interview, but in their defense, the Media was baiting them both to get a "juicy story", and asked directly about "the conflicts between them".

When Plushenko's Academy developed and became even more successful, Yag continued to make fun of it, saying things like "it's a kinder-garten on ice for rich people's children", "it's just a play ground, no serious training takes place", "how can Plush call himself a coach, when he is constantly doing shows", etc...

(and the above is a short version... if i do a long version, it will be at least 10 pages, with many articles and interviews and videos attached.... :D)

So, what happened now: The Academy Ice rink, during late evening hours, was rented out for a commercial venue. A private company hired it for a Corporate Celebration, and hired Yagudin to perform on the ice.

Plushenko saw that Yagudin just showed up at his Academy, and (summary of tweets, in my own words) said: "you have no shame to show up here at my place, after all the things you said and did against this Academy and me". And then his wife Yana got involved, and she is not shy.... :D
 
Clearly, Kovtun skates better when his coaches and TAT aren't around. :lol: Either that or they threatened him with more beatings after the SP.
You hit the nail on the head. Kovtun said in a recording of his own making, 2 times in 20 minutes..

"Tarasova is coming to see me practice tonight. Her visits are like visits by IRS (Tax Inspector), she drops upon you with inspection unexpectedly, and then you never know what hits you (figurative "hits you"). :revenge: :rofl: :rofl:
Here is the vid, April 2018, @ 1:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWewvKLau_w

The other segment about Tarasova = IRS is towards the end, but it's the same content.
 
So, what happened now: The Academy Ice rink, during late evening hours, was rented out for a commercial venue. A private company hired it for a Corporate Celebration, and hired Yagudin to perform on the ice.

So...if someone else rented that rink out, I guess it's not "Plushenko's rink".

You gotta buy it to own it. Simple concept that even an egocentric diva should understand.
 
So...if someone else rented that rink out, I guess it's not "Plushenko's rink". You gotta buy it to own it. Simple concept that even an egocentric diva should understand.
If i explain to you the complexities of the business arrangement between the "property/building owners" and "Plushenko's Acadamy" as a school and his management team who DOES rents out space for parties (as a side business), it will probably go over your head anyway... :lol: So in short, Plushenko's business manager rented out the space for the Corporate Party. That company hired Yag. Plush is saying Yag should not have accepted, given his previous negativity against this school, and not that it's been rented out for a corp. party... :D
 
If i explain to you the complexities of the business arrangement between the "property/building owners" and "Plushenko's Acadamy" as a school and his management team who DOES rents out space for parties (as a side business), it will probably go over your head anyway... :lol: So in short, Plushenko's business manager rented out the space for the Corporate Party. That company hired Yag. Plush is saying Yag should not have accepted, given his previous negativity against this school, and not that it's been rented out for a corp. party... :D

Ok got it. Plushenko is not really the right person to tell someone to be humble and correct, that's my opinion. I get that they hate each other, but if Yag was trolling then he was really successful LOL.
 
Ok got it. Plushenko is not really the right person to tell someone to be humble and correct, that's my opinion. I get that they hate each other, but if Yag was trolling then he was really successful LOL.
Yag was not trolling. Yag wanted to earn money and accepted the gig, to get paid. Plushenko is 1000 times richer than Yag, so Yag's trolling and bullying did not stop Plushenko's success... but it wasted a lot of Yag's time and effort, which he could have used for his own advancement...

Plushenko and Rudkovskaya (wife) own several estates, in Moscow, in St. Pete, summer homes....
https://images.lady.mail.ru/161645/
https://letidor.ru/imgs/2018/04/24/08/2184717/1d7a61de84f4372f026c9100dfc6ac35bedee5a8.jpg

... of course, Yag is not happy.... :D
 
Plushenko is 1000 times richer than Yag :D

Which makes Plushenko nagging like a little child about this even worse.

It just proves what is true: a man's self respect is not determined by the size of his wallet.
 
Which makes Plushenko nagging like a little child about this even worse.

It just proves what is true: a man's self respect is not determined by the size of his wallet.
Yagudin has smaller wallet and very small self-respect if he accepts a gig at a place which he disparaged so often.. :D He goes in to make money at a place he ragged on... i guess he needs money more than honor... :lol:
 
I'm assuming Yana wrote that. The melodramatic hashtags sound like her. Plush usually has a drier sense of humor, at least in English.

The irony of Yana Rudkovskaya using a hashtag like "# it is necessary to love money so much" - or Plushenko, for that matter. Really? They've been exploiting their kid for money since he could sit up on his own. Not that I'm a fan of Yags either. I suppose nobody in this saga is ever going to "be the bigger person" and we'll have to hear about their silly feud for the next 30-40 years.
 
If what @Tinami Amori said is close to true, somebody should really pitch it as a TV Show to Nexflix, the :drama: would make for good ratings :p
yeah, right.... and then both jerks will sue the show producers... there is no better way to make them friends than to give them a common enemy.. Let them fight, it is entertaining... :D ... plus nobody wants to take on Yana Rudkovskaya, she'll sue you if you look at her the wrong way...
http://i41-cdn.woman.ru/womanru/ima...2cb107f35fdeb22c5d63cae5c8c1_8_800x600.jpg?02
 
Ok.... what the heck it is a holiday in USA... :lol:

The "story of Yag vs. Plush" started decades ago, when they both were A. Mishin's students. Yag was born in St. Peterburg and was with Mishin and his #1 student, and then Plush came, as an 10-11 (?) year old boy from a remote small town, and had to live alone without family in order to train at that rink. Plush was 2-3 (?) years younger than Yag. Mishin found Plush to be very talented and started spending lots of time on him. Yag hated it, and started to OPENLY bully and hurt Plushenko. He was hitting him when no-one was watching and then telling people "he just fell on his own".
Plush's interview from the 2000's... https://www.kp.ru/daily/23963.3/72675/

Also as a proud locally born St. Petersburg-boy, Yag resented that a small town outsider is "crowding his city and the rink". He, and other boys at the rink, used to corner Plushenko and say "go back where you came from, out-of-towner".
http://www.spletnik.ru/buzz/8166-kto-kogo-aleksey-yagudin-protiv-evgeniya-plyushcenko.html

Mishin would not give up on Plushenko, and Yagudin got pissed off and went to Tarasova. Then skipping to Olys 2002, the men's event was "Plus vs. Yag" and the whole media hoopla bating two men against each, plus RABID FANS of both engaged in a war.

When Yag stopped skating competitively and started to commentate on TV while Plush was still skating, Yag was full of negativity against Plush at every chance he had. Also, Yag was skating in and working for Averbuch's shows. Averbuch is tightly connected to Russian Channel 1. Russian Channel 1 would hire Yag to commentate. So there was a 3-prone block against Plushenko: Yag putting him down, Averbuch not inviting him to skate in his shows. Channel 1, who had Averbuch and Yag under contract for "Ice Age" also leaned against Plushenko in their decisions and commentary.

During the Olympics where Plushenko's rival was Ivan, Yagudin took a stand against Plush, belittling his quad, etc..
The fight in the media continued "he-P said vs. he-Y said"..

Then Plushenko met and married Yana, they organized their own shows, started to plan the development of a skating school. Plushenko's shows became more and more successful, and a competition to Averbuch (thus Yag)... Plushenko's finances improved, he had investors interested, his wife is a society person with media work and connections, etc..

In the mean time, Plushenko continued to receive surgeries and medical treatments for his injuries, and then announced he will be skating in 2014 Olympics. Many doubted he could given he had metal screws and roads in his spine... But he was sure he can do quite well at least in Team Event, and possible in Singles event. There was only 1 spot for Men, and Kovtun also was a contender. But if Plush skated Team Event, there was no spot for Kovtun.

Yag naturally took Kovtun's side, and stated his position (aka greedy selfish Plushenko, poor Kovtun) on every channel he could.

The war continued after 2014... He-P said, He-Y said... on and off, at every opportunity, and interview, but in their defense, the Media was baiting them both to get a "juicy story", and asked directly about "the conflicts between them".

When Plushenko's Academy developed and became even more successful, Yag continued to make fun of it, saying things like "it's a kinder-garten on ice for rich people's children", "it's just a play ground, no serious training takes place", "how can Plush call himself a coach, when he is constantly doing shows", etc...

(and the above is a short version... if i do a long version, it will be at least 10 pages, with many articles and interviews and videos attached.... :D)

So, what happened now: The Academy Ice rink, during late evening hours, was rented out for a commercial venue. A private company hired it for a Corporate Celebration, and hired Yagudin to perform on the ice.

Plushenko saw that Yagudin just showed up at his Academy, and (summary of tweets, in my own words) said: "you have no shame to show up here at my place, after all the things you said and did against this Academy and me". And then his wife Yana got involved, and she is not shy.... :D

"Tarasova is coming to see me practice tonight. Her visits are like visits by IRS (Tax Inspector), she drops upon you with inspection unexpectedly, and then you never know what hits you (figurative "hits you"). :revenge: :rofl::rofl:
Here is the vid, April 2018, @ 1:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWewvKLau_w

The other segment about Tarasova = IRS is towards the end, but it's the same content.



This is priceless. :rofl: Thank you for the laugh. :lol:
 
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So...if someone else rented that rink out, I guess it's not "Plushenko's rink".

You gotta buy it to own it. Simple concept that even an egocentric diva should understand.

That is his buiding, rink, he bought it. Apropos there is another secret owner. They involved a lots of money in it. That is a cool complexum, restorant, ice rink (not well-sized a little bit shorter), ballet room, gym, and medical room. Plush bought another rink in another part of Moscow he said that is standard, he promised it will be opened in summer but we didn't heard about it.

The building http://angelsofplushenko.com/en/phone/index.html

https://www.instagram.com/angelsofplushenko/
 
The irony of Yana Rudkovskaya using a hashtag like "# it is necessary to love money so much" - or Plushenko, for that matter. Really? They've been exploiting their kid for money since he could sit up on his own. Not that I'm a fan of Yags either. I suppose nobody in this saga is ever going to "be the bigger person" and we'll have to hear about their silly feud for the next 30-40 years.

You know well, I'm not fan of Rudkovskaya. But she is a business woman, agent of some biggest pop stars in Russia. She is talented. I don't know about her income but I know Plushenko's. He is on the list of Russian Forbes. Since 2006 he earned 24 $ millions. So you can be sure Sasha's fame is not for money. Maybe you read too much Russian forums. There was an interview Sasha was asked about his money he answered he collects the money on a bank account( separated account) that will be good because he can buy apartment when he gets married. :D
 
If what @Tinami Amori said is close to true, somebody should really pitch it as a TV Show to Nexflix, the :drama: would make for good ratings :p

The Russians wanted to make a movie on Plushenko's life some years ago. That wouldn't be documentary. Plush rejected it. He said it's too early. Probably he is waiting for his student who will be OG champion :respec::D I hope I will see this movie!
That is not a well-known story Plushenko received an offer from US he could have shown himself in a romantic movie. That would have been a romance between a skater and a disabled girl. He almost signed the contract but he has knew the filming a lot of time thus he didn't do it because he wanted to be Oly champion.




Ok.... what the heck it is a holiday in USA... :lol:

The "story of Yag vs. Plush" started decades ago, when they both were A. Mishin's students. Yag was born in St. Peterburg and was with Mishin and his #1 student, and then Plush came, as an 10-11 (?) year old boy from a remote small town, and had to live alone without family in order to train at that rink. Plush was 2-3 (?) years younger than Yag. Mishin found Plush to be very talented and started spending lots of time on him. Yag hated it, and started to OPENLY bully and hurt Plushenko. He was hitting him when no-one was watching and then telling people "he just fell on his own".
Plush's interview from the 2000's... https://www.kp.ru/daily/23963.3/72675/

Also as a proud locally born St. Petersburg-boy, Yag resented that a small town outsider is "crowding his city and the rink". He, and other boys at the rink, used to corner Plushenko and say "go back where you came from, out-of-towner".
http://www.spletnik.ru/buzz/8166-kto-kogo-aleksey-yagudin-protiv-evgeniya-plyushcenko.html

Mishin would not give up on Plushenko, and Yagudin got pissed off and went to Tarasova. Then skipping to Olys 2002, the men's event was "Plus vs. Yag" and the whole media hoopla bating two men against each, plus RABID FANS of both engaged in a war.

When Yag stopped skating competitively and started to commentate on TV while Plush was still skating, Yag was full of negativity against Plush at every chance he had. Also, Yag was skating in and working for Averbuch's shows. Averbuch is tightly connected to Russian Channel 1. Russian Channel 1 would hire Yag to commentate. So there was a 3-prone block against Plushenko: Yag putting him down, Averbuch not inviting him to skate in his shows. Channel 1, who had Averbuch and Yag under contract for "Ice Age" also leaned against Plushenko in their decisions and commentary.

During the Olympics where Plushenko's rival was Ivan, Yagudin took a stand against Plush, belittling his quad, etc..
The fight in the media continued "he-P said vs. he-Y said"..

Then Plushenko met and married Yana, they organized their own shows, started to plan the development of a skating school. Plushenko's shows became more and more successful, and a competition to Averbuch (thus Yag)... Plushenko's finances improved, he had investors interested, his wife is a society person with media work and connections, etc..

In the mean time, Plushenko continued to receive surgeries and medical treatments for his injuries, and then announced he will be skating in 2014 Olympics. Many doubted he could given he had metal screws and roads in his spine... But he was sure he can do quite well at least in Team Event, and possible in Singles event. There was only 1 spot for Men, and Kovtun also was a contender. But if Plush skated Team Event, there was no spot for Kovtun.

Yag naturally took Kovtun's side, and stated his position (aka greedy selfish Plushenko, poor Kovtun) on every channel he could.

The war continued after 2014... He-P said, He-Y said... on and off, at every opportunity, and interview, but in their defense, the Media was baiting them both to get a "juicy story", and asked directly about "the conflicts between them".

When Plushenko's Academy developed and became even more successful, Yag continued to make fun of it, saying things like "it's a kinder-garten on ice for rich people's children", "it's just a play ground, no serious training takes place", "how can Plush call himself a coach, when he is constantly doing shows", etc...

(and the above is a short version... if i do a long version, it will be at least 10 pages, with many articles and interviews and videos attached.... :D)

So, what happened now: The Academy Ice rink, during late evening hours, was rented out for a commercial venue. A private company hired it for a Corporate Celebration, and hired Yagudin to perform on the ice.

Plushenko saw that Yagudin just showed up at his Academy, and (summary of tweets, in my own words) said: "you have no shame to show up here at my place, after all the things you said and did against this Academy and me". And then his wife Yana got involved, and she is not shy.... :D

This is true. I add a little supplement. In Mishin's group he was humiliated and beated by the olders . The olders hit his head that was the custom they "initiationed" him. When Plushenko became the leader in the group he finished this custom and this doesn't happen now, doesn't happen since that.

You forgot this from Yagudin's interview: I am so versatile and multitalented, he has no life outside of skating..:D

http://taini-zvezd.ru/public/zachem_yagudin_prodolzhaet_dostavat_plyuschenko/
Why Yagudin continue to annoy Plushenko?

Well, 34-year-old Alexei Yagudin can not live without Evgeni Plushenko! At least once a month, he need to let go some message! We just forgotten scandal, which Lyosha arranged because Zhenya withdrew from the competition in the Olympic Sochi, but here is - another insolence!

- "All around asked why I kept to "maliciously" talk about Evgeni - grins Yagudin. - But, to be honest, I absolutely spit on it, what Plushenko's doing! The main thing - let he be healthy! I do not speak sarcastically. I honestly express my opinion, when someone is interested in it!"

But to do this without maliciousness, it is not possible? He says that he "spit on what his opponent does", but then immediately adds fuel to the fire. Why he continues to annoy Plushenko? One answer is obvious: it seems that Lyosha's choking toad (knot in throat)! Liked, or not - but his 31-year-old rival is more successful and famous!

And this is also true.
 
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