Eteri Tutberidze’s message: past year, parents, skating.

[Wyliefan]

I think that was only a rumor and Evgenia later said it wasn't true.

 

[Coquelicot14]

This is out of context. IIRC, what Med was told by Eteri after the Olympics, was to go off and get pregnant while Med was not at all ready to hang'em up.

That rumor was disproved a loooong time ago, btw, by Medvedeva herself.
Try and keep up.

 

[Finsta]

Something obviously happened and Medvedeva is being classy by no repeating. Eteri would have hold a press conference.

 

[Coquelicot14]

Something obviously happened and Medvedeva is being classy by no repeating. Eteri would have hold a press conference.

That's just an assumption. It's so easy to villainize someone by coming up with the "could have", "must have" especially if you want them to be the bad guy.

 

[Fairuza]

That's just an assumption. It's so easy to villainize someone by coming up with the "could have", "must have" especially if you want them to be the bad guy.

So that’s why you are busy villainising Medvedeva.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

That's just an assumption. It's so easy to villainize someone by coming up with the "could have", "must have" especially if you want them to be the bad guy.

Even easier to vilify someone by repeatedly speaking of all the supposed wrongs they've committed, no?

 

[Coquelicot14]

So that’s why you are busy villainising Medvedeva.

How so? I don't like the way she left, but I don't bash her. Nor say that she's an awful person.
I also don't make up scenarios to my liking either.

And the only reason I bring up the wrong things she's done is to illustrate that she is not blameless in this situation, and not a poor victim.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

How so? I don't like the way she left, but I don't bash her. Nor say that she's an awful person.
I also don't make up scenarios to my liking either.

And the only reason I bring up the wrong things she's done is to illustrate that she is not blameless in this situation, and not a poor victim.

Do you think anything would have been different in Eteri behavior had Medvedeva left differently?

Do you think that by hearing one side of the story (Eteri's) we know much about how things really went down?

Do you think it was ok for Eteri to publicly state that Medvedeva asked why Alina wasn't held back in juniors? What, in your opinion, was the purpose of that "disclosure" of a private moment between a teacher and a student?

 

[Fairuza]

How so? I don't like the way she left, but I don't bash her. Nor say that she's an awful person.
I also don't make up scenarios to my liking either.

And the only reason I bring up the wrong things she's done is to illustrate that she is not blameless in this situation, and not a poor victim.

You know, as a matter of fact, in any conflict both sides can be blamed. And no, Medvedeva isn’t a victim and she has never ever depicted herself as one. Unlike Eteri.
In this case, you’re busy putting nearly all the blame onto a 18-year old and try and justify a 40 plus year old.

 

[Coquelicot14]

Do you think anything would have been different in Eteri behavior had Medvedeva left differently?

Do you think that by hearing one side of the story (Eteri's) we know much about how things really went down?

Do you think it was ok for Eteri to publicly state that Medvedeva asked why Alina wasn't held back in juniors? What, in your opinion, was the purpose of that "disclosure" of a private moment between a teacher and a student?

I cannot speculate for someone else, but I would have had more respect for Evgenia if she left differenly.

If someone accused me of doing something I didn't do, my answer would not be "I don't recall", but I would set the record straight.

If she asked the question, she asked the question. There is no attorney/client privilege here. No one in sworn to secrecy.

We are derailing this thread, however. It's really not about Medvedeva at all.

 

[Coquelicot14]

You know, as a matter of fact, in any conflict both sides can be blamed. And no, Medvedeva isn’t a victim and she has never ever depicted herself as one. Unlike Eteri.
In this case, you’re busy putting nearly all the blame onto a 18-year old and try and justify a 40 plus year old.

She wrote she felt betrayed. No one is blaming anyone in the post. She has a right to her feelings.

It's really Medvedeva's fans that are partly to blame for trying to make her look like a victim. It is a disservice.

 

[Fairuza]

She wrote she felt betrayed. No one is blaming anyone in the post. She has a right to her feelings.

It's really Medvedeva's fans that are partly to blame for trying to make her look like a victim. It is a disservice.

Well, so does Medvedeva. She has a right to feel something and she has a right to choose to do something or not to do something. She has a right to make decisions about her own career without thinking whether or not Tutberidze is going to feel hurt and betrayed.
A true professional would never ever make such fuss about a student leaving.

 

[hanca]

Do you think anything would have been different in Eteri behavior had Medvedeva left differently?

Do you think that by hearing one side of the story (Eteri's) we know much about how things really went down?

Do you think it was ok for Eteri to publicly state that Medvedeva asked why Alina wasn't held back in juniors? What, in your opinion, was the purpose of that "disclosure" of a private moment between a teacher and a student?

I think you are right, that even if Medvedeva delivered a full van of flowers, it wouldn’t hurt it any less. Tutberidze would probably find another excuse to moan about her, because they have been working together for such a long time that it must have felt like a betrayal. That’s what happens when someone starts mixing working relationship and personal relationship. But I suppose one can’t avoid getting attached if she coached her for many years. Nevertheless, as a professional, there are some lines she shouldn’t have crossed. Disclosing that Medvedeva said that Alina should have stayed in juniors (if she really said it at all), making interviews where she moans about the majority of her past students, disclosing that Voronov has a close relationship with his mother and wanted her present at the practice....there was no need for all that. If I did in my job things like that, I would be sacked. But then again, I don’t produce skaters who win Olympic medals. So it seems, while she delivers results, she can behave completely unprofessionally and no one will care.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

I cannot speculate for someone else, but I would have had more respect for Evgenia if she left differenly.

My question was not about your personal feeling, but rather Eteri's behavior. She has repeatedly trashed her former students regarless of the circumstances of their leaving.

If someone accused me of doing something I didn't do, my answer would not be "I don't recall", but I would set the record straight.

If she asked the question, she asked the question. There is no attorney/client privilege here. No one in sworn to secrecy.

Why should Eteri accuse Medvedeva of anything in the first place? You expect a high level of maturity and decency from Medvedeva in how she left Eteri, but none from Eteri herself. Doesn't seem quiet right.

We are derailing this thread, however. It's really not about Medvedeva at all.

Well, Eteri made it about Medvedeva by once again bringing her up in the utmost negative light. So there we have it.

 

[Coquelicot14]

Tutberidze would probably find another excuse to moan about her, because they have been working together for such a long time that it must have felt like a betrayal....
....So it seems, while she delivers results, she can behave completely unprofessionally and no one will care.

"Probably", is not factual. It's a supposition from your perspective. We just don't know.

I am not of the same mindset. I think it's OK to call out people on something they've done that's hurtful. They can state their own case if they want.

 

[hanca]

"Probably", is not factual. It's a supposition from your perspective. We just don't know.

I am not of the same mindset. I think it's OK to call out people on something they've done that's hurtful. They can state their own case if they want.

Well, Tutberidze did moan about all those other past students, so I would say it makes it quite likely that Medvedeva would get the same treatment.

 

[Fairuza]

"Probably", is not factual. It's a supposition from your perspective. We just don't know.

I am not of the same mindset. I think it's OK to call out people on something they've done that's hurtful. They can state their own case if they want.

Hmmm. Then they shouldn’t mind people making conclusions about their maturity and emotional intelligence. Let alone call out their lack of responsibility and consideration for considerably younger people.
Not anyone wants to engage in this petty war of words which create fan wars in Russia, you know. I guess Lipnitskaya, Pitkeev, Tsurskaya, Medvedeva and the others would find wagons to complain about Eteri, they just preferred to move on.

 

[Coquelicot14]

You expect a high level of maturity and decency from Medvedeva in how she left Eteri, but none from Eteri herself. Doesn't seem quiet right.


...Well, Eteri made it about Medvedeva by once again bringing her up in the utmost negative light. So there we have it.

If Medvedeva left in the correct way, I would be on her side of this debate. However, she didn't.

Nothing in the post mentions Medvedeva by name. This post was about a hard year.

 

[Fairuza]

Oh, Eteri moaning about former students for years is totally ok, of course, but Medvedeva not giving flowers is not ok. Because one of them MAY do things, the other MUST.

 

[Fairuza]

If Medvedeva left in the correct way, I would be on her side of this debate. However, she didn't.

Nothing in the post mentions Medvedeva by name. This post was about a hard year.

The reference is one hundred per cent clear. Who do you want to fool?
Or should I perhaps be saying 200 percent clear?

 

[Coquelicot14]

This has nothing to do with any flowers. Just basic respect for the work that has been done.

Again, Medvedeva was not bashed in the post. It was a personal reflection on the hard times that have passed.

If Evgenia wants to vent her thoughts elsewhere, she can. She has the right.

 

[Fairuza]

I am

This has nothing to do with any flowers. Just basic respect for the work that has been done.

Again, Medvedeva was not bashed in the post. It was a personal reflection on the hard times that have passed.

If Evgenia wants to vent her thoughts elsewhere, she can. She has the right.

She won’t, because she knows better than that what it causes - we all had the dubious pleasure of seeing any interview by Zhenya and Brian twisted ad absurdum. And she doesn’t have time for that rubbish anymore hopefully. She has moved on.
Yeah, right, of course, she isn’t bashed here (if one doesn’t mention the so called “weird partings”) - enough bashing was done last May, wasn’t it?
Basic respect, eh? Medvedeva put out an official address thanking her former coach - so I guess that will do as a sign of respect and gratitude. It isn’t Eteri who can be dictating what forms these are to take.
As ever, Zhenya must do things, Eteri may do whatever she wishes. She’s given license for whatever bitchiness.

 

[IceAlisa]

That rumor was disproved a loooong time ago, btw, by Medvedeva herself.
Try and keep up.

Good for Med. Unlike Eteri, she uttered not a word against her. Classy.

If Evgenia wants to vent her thoughts elsewhere, she can. She has the right.

But she had the maturity not to hang out the dirty laundry. I respect that more that the victimhood Eteri is desperate to wear.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I don't think Eteri is any different and I'm not sure why people hold her to a different standard.

No, she is different, she is much nicer and more helpful to her students than many coaches. She gets singled out the worst, and other coaches don't get the same coverage, and exaggerations of their on-ice tactics.

For example: coaches train while the music is playing at the rink, and have to yell and raise their voice. Same "high voice" from Eteri is classified as rude and rough. Same voice from Buianova is not even mentioned.
Her voice is not less rude and "low life toned" that Eteri.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQlxEMprbzQ
Buianova said in several interviews (combined) "my doors of my home is closed to my students. our relationship end at the rink. practice over and they are on their own. i am not the kind of coach who can be waken up at 2 am with personal issues".

So it’s ok for Eteri to be hurt but not Medvedeva?

And Medvedeva is doing “plenty” this season to attack Eteri, directly and indirectly. The list too long..

I can't describe how disgusted I am by the fact that someone can use even the memory about their late parents as a tool of petty vengeance.

Nothing to do with “vengeance”. The issue was part of “heavy feelings” and she expressed it, without naming names.

The only person about whom I've heard that he'd brought her flowers was Pitkeev. That didn't save him from badmouthing nevertheless.

You heard wrong. Most students brought her flowers and said good bye properly. The media only covers those who “caused an issue”. To name one – Panenkova. There is foto and her own confirmation in an interview (in a video), available on request.

Eteri did not bad-mouth Pitkeev. As a coach she explained his issues, in defense of being accused of wrong-doing.

Don't misguide the non-Russians with twisted information. Yes, flowers and gifts for teachers are a wide-spread tradition, but normally they are bought jointly by a group (when they graduate, for example). Individual gifts are absolutely up to students themselves, some would make them, some not. If a student is on bad terms with a teacher, it wouldn't occur to him to buy gifts for that teacher.

You’re wrong.

Joint gift is given when the whole group completes the course/class/training. Mostly common in schools and kinder garten settings.

When it is one-on-one situation, the individual who leaves, says good-bye one-on-one.

Like badmouthing her former students, revealing private information about them or Dragging Orser in the mud, saying that he challenged her (and it didnt looked like that at all).

She did not drag students into the mud. They left, media picked it up, Eteri was accused. When asked what happened she explained her side of the issues. Any person has a right to defend one’s profession, and explain the circumstances.

She did not drag Orser into the mud. Orser started it, and started it ugly.
Orser challenged her by saying “her students are one-timers” and made few other provocative negative statements, and she said “I guess it is a challenge to me”.

Orser’s associate Dave Howe spread nasty “insider” rumors about Eteri, hinting he heard it from “the reliable source” when Medvedeva was already in Canada.

Something obviously happened and Medvedeva is being classy by no repeating. Eteri would have hold a press conference.

The only “thing” Medvedeva can repeat is that she really expected to win, and was hell of pissed that Zagitova beat her, as she expected Eteri to make her, Medvedeva a priority, and to do “something” to not let Zagitova beat her.

That is the ONLY issue that caused this whole mess. Medvedeva better keep her mouth shut about it.

If Medvedeva left in the correct way, I would be on her side of this debate. However, she didn't..

I would be too. She was my very favorite skater, i stuck up for her for 3 years. I wanted her to win.

Then she started acting ugly, unfair, lie, twist facts and be vindictive. She also was willing to step on everyone, beyond decency to be "#1" in situations where she was not entitled to it, and benefited from fowl play tactics.

As the story developed, it was impossible to support her and to be on her side.

I am still convinced, that part of support for Medvedeva comes from the sentiment "if Medvedeva did something wrong in Russians'/Eteri's opinion, then she must have done something right.... because we know how bad/wrong those always are".

 

[IceAlisa]

This is classic. Blame everyone else but yourself. Most people see right through that.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

If Medvedeva left in the correct way, I would be on her side of this debate. However, she didn't.

Love your selective quoting and cutting out the main point. So I will repeat it for your benefit:

Why should Eteri accuse Medvedeva of anything in the first place? You expect a high level of maturity and decency from Medvedeva in how she left Eteri, but none from Eteri herself. Doesn't seem quiet right.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

This is classic. Blame everyone else but yourself. Most people see right through that.

Eteri's (and even more so, her uber-fans) crusade against Medvedeva is bizarre. They obviously don't see it. But it doesn't make it any less strange for everyone else.

 

[Coquelicot14]

Love your selective quoting and cutting out the main point. So I will repeat it for your benefit:

Why should Eteri accuse Medvedeva of anything in the first place? You expect a high level of maturity and decency from Medvedeva in how she left Eteri, but none from Eteri herself. Doesn't seem quiet right.

I thought it was evident, I guess not... it's cause and effect, if Medvedeva acted decently when she left, I would expect no negativity about her from Eteri following the fact. It started with her way of departure.

 

[hanca]

I thought it was evident, I guess not... it's cause and effect, if Medvedeva acted decently when she left, I would expect no negativity about her from Eteri following the fact. It started with her way of departure.

How do you know that it started with Medvedeva’s departure? You don’t know what Tutberidze was doing to Medvedeva behind the scenes, so unless you were at the rink every day, you don’t really know when it started.

 

[IceAlisa]

I thought it was evident, I guess not... it's cause and effect, if Medvedeva acted decently when she left, I would expect no negativity about her from Eteri following the fact. It started with her way of departure.

But we don't know what went on prior to Med's departure because unlike Eteri, Med isn't doing the show and tell. So we have one side of the story and you are assuming a lot here