"Emotional Support Turkey" Ruffles Feathers on Airplane

PDilemma said:
Because I was curious, I did a bit of googling. It would appear that on this site, anyone can register a pet as an "emotional support animal". They have a "mental health professional" that will provide the necessary documentation for a fee.

See the FAQ here:

http://www.esaregistration.org/faq/

The tagline for the site when it came up on google was "Take your dog anywhere!".

What a racket.
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I need my snake for emotional support on my next flight. I even think there is a film about that. :p
 
Japanfan said:
Did the dog have the handicap when she got it, or develop it later?

If it's a seizure detecting dog, all the dog needs to do is be able to give the signal.

But it might also be a retired service dog. A person can get very attached to a service dog and not want to part with the dog should the dog become unable to perform the required service.
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I don't know the details as we're not very good friends. But we meet at restaurants (we belong to a group that meets for lunch) and I am always taken aback to see a poufy small dog in a rolling chair/stroller in a restaurant.

The dog as the service animal vest on so I think it really is a service dog and not retired or anything.
 
Just randomly.....

it's interesting, there is a difference between a "support" animal and a "service" animal, in terms of federal regulations, on which is protected. Service animals need to be allowed everywhere, including restaurants and hospitals; you are not allowed to ask about their immunizations being current or anything like it. All you can ask is if it is a service animal, and what service it is trained for.

Support animals do not have the same protection, and it is up to the individual business whether they to be allowed in (or in this case, on board) or not.

(Information discovered in the middle of the night one night when I was hospital supervisor and we had a "support animal" situation!)
 
My mum had a guide dog (and is about to get another one), and my sister has one, too. My mum never took hers on a plane, though I'm not sure if that's because she didn't fly while she had her. The Royal Society for the Blind mandates immunisation, training, etc.

Is a therapy dog a service dog or a support dog? They provide a service and also emotional support. We have pets at my work, though we consider them pets and they're not formally trained, and they're brilliant at calming people down, making people feel comfortable; and they're fabulous teaching "tools". Everyone we've had with a fear of dogs or cats has left without the fear. Both the dog and the cats have definitely diffused some volatile situations.

I don't think emotional support animals are bullshit at all, and would rather see a turkey as a passenger on plane, than someone have an emotional breakdown on the plane. I wouldn't care about it all; I'd just consider it a story to tell (especially because I don't think I've ever seen a live turkey ;))
 
antmanb said:
What happens if a passenger on a flight has a phobia of birds. Or if another passenger is allergic to cats/dogs that might be service or emotional support animals?

I've never seen a question about allergies on a preflight passenger information form. How do they balance out the different passengers' needs?
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I can on an intellectual plane understand the need for service dogs, but I do have allergies-rather severe, to point of inhalers & super mega doses of benadryl, with residual effects for 24 or more hours later. For a short period of time I carried epi-pen.

It's hard to identify whoses needs should be accommodated over another's. My last flight had a yipping dog who barked all flight. It was worse than a kid
 
I would enjoy very much a turkey next to me on a flight, or any animal, big, small, smelly, furry, etc…. But others may not enjoy it…

Everyone has a right to be happy yet not impose on others: take their pets and children, or not have to deal with pets or children; wear perfume, not have to smell perfume, comfort for heavy people, tall people, invalids, etc……

All it takes is an aircraft cabin redesign from open seat to “capsules” with noise panels and ventilation, and money and willingness of airlines to spend on such renovations…..


It’s in works already……
http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/fm1xfstmqvjba9hm8ppe.jpg

http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/2011/03/0cryscabaw201106.jpg

And certain ideas from capsule hotels in Asia are the examined for aircraft use…
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4b/2d/cf/4b2dcf183de0cf0daaa0b9cb1ccd4ff1.jpg
 
Angelskates said:
My mum had a guide dog (and is about to get another one), and my sister has one, too. My mum never took hers on a plane, though I'm not sure if that's because she didn't fly while she had her. The Royal Society for the Blind mandates immunisation, training, etc.

Is a therapy dog a service dog or a support dog? They provide a service and also emotional support. We have pets at my work, though we consider them pets and they're not formally trained, and they're brilliant at calming people down, making people feel comfortable; and they're fabulous teaching "tools". Everyone we've had with a fear of dogs or cats has left without the fear. Both the dog and the cats have definitely diffused some volatile situations.

I don't think emotional support animals are bullshit at all, and would rather see a turkey as a passenger on plane, than someone have an emotional breakdown on the plane. I wouldn't care about it all; I'd just consider it a story to tell (especially because I don't think I've ever seen a live turkey ;))
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Except that the emotional support aspect is really questionable when you can pay someone online to give you a letter saying that you need to have your pet with you, actual emotional needs be damned. Service animals like your mom's are another matter.

If I had to sit next to a turkey (presumably smelly, presumably shitting everywhere, as birds do) on a flight, which I'm sure wasn't cheap, I'd be livid.
 
A few years ago I was at the ballet and the guy in front of me had a Yorkshire terrier with him. I hate dogs but wouldn't have done anything about it, except it kept jingling its tags and yapping. So I went to the usher at intermission only to find someone else already carping at her about the dog. The usher promised to deal with it but it turned out it was a therapy dog and they couldn't evict the guy.
In retrospect, I should have gone into bitch mode and claimed to be allergic and insisted on an upgrade to an orchestra seat.
:D
If a person sitting near the therapy or service animal really IS allergic, or phobic doesn't the venue have to take their needs into account, too? I can't imagine a turkey harming anyone, but what if a therapy dog went bonkers and bit someone? Who is liable?
 
Tinami Amori said:
All it takes is an aircraft cabin redesign from open seat to “capsules” with noise panels and ventilation, and money and willingness of airlines to spend on such renovations…..

It’s in works already……
http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/fm1xfstmqvjba9hm8ppe.jpg

http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/2011/03/0cryscabaw201106.jpg
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I would expect those seats to be really expensive due to the space they take up. Neat concept, though.
 
DAngel said:
Wow... Will that even happen in the next decade though?
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Japanfan said:
I would expect those seats to be really expensive due to the space they take up. Neat concept, though.
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It’s already done, by Boeing, in limited quantity, for long-haul flights in business/first class (if one wants to take a pet on board one must fly business/first class anyway).

http://www.luxuo.com/aircraft/boeing-business-jet-aeroloft-sleeping-area.html

Airbus designed sections for crew’s rest, and is working on passenger cabins as well.

Airbus 380 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MifGdQgoKPQ

http://www.diehl.com/uploads/pics/aero-crbig.jpg

http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos/view/maxsize:640,480/Chris/emirates-airbus-a380-crew-rest.jpg


Certain airports already have sleeping capsules in waiting areas, it is only a matter of time before airlines will.

Helsinki - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/03/2646DC1800000578-2977203-image-a-5_1425387088602.jpg


Abu Dhabi - http://www.flightcentre.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GoSleepPods.jpg


Another concept in works is Clip-Air configuration, where one apparatus can fly 2 or 3 different cabins, each allocated to its own purpose, people with pets and kids, cargo, etc.

http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/2013/06/clip-air-03.jpg


These designs (capsule seats and capsule cabins) also have a safety benefit. They detach from the mechanical portion of the aircraft ….

http://lybio.net/wp-content/uploads/Airplane-Failsafe-Concept.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02643/This_detachable_pl_2643690n.jpg

http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/detachable.jpg

http://lybio.net/wp-content/uploads/Airplane-Safety-Capsule-Container-Safe-Descent-Of-Passengers.jpg


This design has advantage since each capsule is detachable and has it’s own parachute and oxygen system.

http://www.traveller.com.au/content...Leadwide.620x349.11pmfk.png/1416359449686.jpg


As far as space and cost, such seats already take up fair amount of space, the only thing that is missing is the top to seclude the enclosure.

http://travelskills.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Screen-shot-2013-10-27-at-11.55.32-AM-590x340.png

http://skift.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1600x1.jpg


The funny thing is that the earlier aircrafts in the 50’s used to have such cabin segmentation on TWA and other carriers

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/0f/7d/e60f7d4e33da612b31d45f6b280de79a.jpg

http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/l-7gxle6qyjms763.jpg
 
If I can ever get on a plane again, I might take one of the deer that just walks from the pasture into my brother's front yard. The deer think nothing of it and feel like they belong there. Better yet, a Bobcat also comes into my brother's back yard on occasion. He just walks around for awhile and then leaves. I may just take Bobcat Kitty with me for support and assistance. I'd go first-class, of course, so Bobcat Kitty could have all the milk he wants. I guess I'd better get one of those "capsules" since Boeing already has them. :)

If people can take turkeys for support, I should be able to take Bobcat Kitty for support. ;)
 
^ I'm assuming each airline makes its own rules about pets, but a certified service animal does not have the same status as "pet."

Nor do emotional support animals have the same status as service animals -- as pointed out up-thread.
 
danceronice said:
Oh, I would have had a ball. As long as my duck wasn't there. She probably wouldn't like a turkey. (I have an indoor duck. It's not really much different than having a large parrot, except for the duck eggs...)
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Does your duck spend all day ok indoors? Does she always have a tub of water? We help care for a blind goose and a lame duck, they have to have fee access to their pools. They are really sweet.
 
TheGirlCanSkate said:
Does your duck spend all day ok indoors? Does she always have a tub of water? We help care for a blind goose and a lame duck, they have to have fee access to their pools. They are really sweet.
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Soon ducks can have their own swimming area on aircrafts....:D

There are actually prototypes of Airplanes with pools. who would have thought 50 years ago that Cruise Ships would have pools, ice-rinks, shopping malls, etc.... but they do now.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/74/db/99/74db99e3bbd439a869c74992c88120b4.jpg

http://unlimitednetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/55-airplane-pool.jpg
 
TheGirlCanSkate said:
Does your duck spend all day ok indoors? Does she always have a tub of water? We help care for a blind goose and a lame duck, they have to have fee access to their pools. They are really sweet.
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She's indoors in the winter--I only have one so it's too cold here for her to be outside. In the daytime, she either has a tub in the spare bathroom (a plastic container sitting in the bathtub), though her latest thing is sitting in the sink talking to the duck in the mirror, or if we're at my parents, she gets baths in the laundry tub a couple times a day. In the summer, she spends the day in Mom's fenced garden on bug and weed patrol (she likes grubs and spiders) with her rubber tub, and spends the night in the horse trailer with old hay she can nest in. Here she has a dog kennel in the evening in the living room where her food and water dishes are and sometimes she's out making a mess of the dogs' water bowl. Or chasing the dogs. She's under the impression she's a funny sort of dog. (Which leads to begging for dog treats, and the dogs spite-eating her salad greens. THey don't even LIKE greens, but if Duck gets to eat it, they want it.)
 
^ You're assuming that the turkey will simply sit quietly in his seat for the entire duration of the flight like some cute stuffed animal. It's gonna make noise, peck - probably at your food tray if not at you , stretch its wings once in a while - wait until it smacks one of its wings into your face, and poop. Even if the bird is wears a bird's diaper, the poop will accumulate and get swishy and smelly.
 
Well, he must have been a well behaved turkey. From the article above "Delta says on its website it allows customers to travel with emotional support animals as long as they're 'trained to behave properly in public settings ... "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ey-on-flight-as-emotional-support-animal.html

Lol, this pig got kicked off a flight for stinking and becoming disruptive. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyl...n-plane-for-emotional-support-kicked-off.html

Apparently, they fly free of charge, but wouldn't a turkey or a 70 lb pig need a seat?
 
Tinami Amori said:
The funny thing is that the earlier aircrafts in the 50’s used to have such cabin segmentation on TWA and other carriers

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/0f/7d/e60f7d4e33da612b31d45f6b280de79a.jpg

http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/l-7gxle6qyjms763.jpg
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In the 50's, NY to LA would have taken 11 hours, not including a half hour fuel stop. At the time commercial flying was still an upper crust kind of thing. It hadn't gotten cheap enough for the Average Joe yet. I like the cabin concept, but airlines want us packed in like sardines. The more folks they can get on a plane, the more money they make.
 
Rob said:
"Delta says on its website it allows customers to travel with emotional support animals as long as they're 'trained to behave properly in public settings ... "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ey-on-flight-as-emotional-support-animal.html

Lol, this pig got kicked off a flight for stinking and becoming disruptive. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyl...n-plane-for-emotional-support-kicked-off.html

Apparently, they fly free of charge, but wouldn't a turkey or a 70 lb pig need a seat?
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Poor piggie only needed a nice bath, some tasty treats, a leash, and some training.

Now if they could only kick off passengers who smell bad as well. . .
 
MacMadame said:
I'm pretty sure the emotional support animals don't get their own seat.
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In the photo of the turkey, it looked like the turkey had its own seat. But maybe its owner had enough $$$ to buy the turkey its own ticket.
 
A cat or small dog would be able to sit in the lap or in a carrier under the seat. I've seen that before. But a 70 lb pig? The article indicated it was in the aisle or the seating row. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let you put a 70 lb suitcase in the aisle, row, or your lap. Hit some turbulence and the pig might fly! I'd think some size limits would put some of this stuff to rest. But it is very entertaining!
 
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