Coughlin's Safe Sport Status Changed to Interim Suspension

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I doubt the other cast members in a cruise ship show would want to perform alongside someone under investigation for misconduct in the sport. Why is it OK to potentially put them at risk?

And let’s say that the offense being investigated is that the person is a bit too handsy around young children. This person gets a job on a cruise ship playing the part of the snowman in Frozen. After the show parents take their kids up to meet their favourite characters. “Go on little Johnny and give what’s his name a hug and I will take a picture!” ( I never understood parents who encouraged their kids to hug strangers in costumes, but you can see the problem here.)
 
... the removal happened as part of the Safesport investigative process and the public listing that you seem to want have made more quiet. Until January 17th, the only thing that had impinged on his employment/leadership opportunities was the John Wilson gig. Let's review the timeline as I understand it.

Although I have opinions on the little I do know, I am withholding definitive judgements regarding what I do not know. And in any case, my opinions and individual judgements and perceptions carry no weight whatsoever. Neither do I have control over anything that happened. Nor do I need lecturing from anybody about any timeline of events. The rest of you who so choose, can continue carrying on your justification of investigative timeline events and 'what if' scenarios.
 
But if someone is suspended from wal mart are they put on Wal marts website?!?! Does everyone talk about how the list was established because of a rapist who was found guilty? Coughlin was put on a list established to combat people who are guilty of rape! The SafeSport list doesn’t exist In a bubble where people don’t know it was established to let people know of sexual predators.

If people are not smart enough to understand that when a name is on that list it means they are being investigate! THAT'S IT
Doesn't mean you're as bad as Nassar, doesn't mean you rape someone... sexual misconduct look it up see what it means.... Sexual misconduct is a broad term encompassing any unwelcome behavior of a sexual nature that is committed without consent or by force, intimidation, coercion, or manipulation. Sexual misconduct can be committed by a person of any gender, and it can occur between people of the same or different gender...
So no one knows why he was investigated
We just know the nature of the investigation
And from that people made their own assumption because they just can't read!


SafeSport was established to protect coaches by giving them specific guidelines they need to follow to prevent problems....
SafeSport was established to protect athletes, people who are mostly like to be

I expect little 16 yr olds on Twitter and some in the skating community to do something idiotic like blame a Youtube channel for someone's suicide, but I didn't think some people on this forum would really sink so low. I thought generally people were a bit more intelligent than that here but I guess not. Incredibly disgusting.
Some people... Apparently, a pair coach posted on her post on FB that he couldn't have done what the guy from SL was saying because it wasn't in his DNA!!! I wasn't aware that this coach saw his DNA...that's one of my favorite stupid thing I read!
I think those people are going after TSL because they're more vulnerable. They won't attack Brennan.
 
And let’s say that the offense being investigated is that the person is a bit too handsy around young children. This person gets a job on a cruise ship playing the part of the snowman in Frozen. After the show parents take their kids up to meet their favourite characters. “Go on little Johnny and give what’s his name a hug and I will take a picture!” ( I never understood parents who encouraged their kids to hug strangers in costumes, but you can see the problem here.)
Just FYI: Official Disney Performers that do photo shoots always have both hands in front visible and never behind anyone.
 
Okay; are we assuming that an alleged abuser (not John in particular) is no threat to anyone except those specifically in Olympic sports? Let's say that our alleged abuser resigns from a position in Olympic sports, but tells people that he resigned because, oh, he wanted a change of pace. Or he had an issue with management. People who like him will think nothing of this.

He will still have friends in sports, giving him access to them and their families. He will still be able to freely associate at will with people in his sport. If he is abusing someone who has not come forward, he will be able to continue to do so because no one has any reason to question it. He can get another job; he could become a personal trainer, a non-Olympic coach or any number of other things.

Remember SafeSport’s mission is to protect only the safety of Olympic athletes. They can’t protect everyone else. There are too many evil people doing evil things in this world.

I just think if the sanctions were private and John was innocent he would not have taken his life. If he was a true abuser and would not restrain under the cloud he could further expose himself or be caught by the criminal justice system or he might kill himself as he knew he would be exposed by the investigation.

I am sure SafeSport and the federations are unlikely to change their policy of publishing the sanctions because of John’s suicide. They won't risk the possibility that an accused is a true abuser and continue to harm others.
 
I just think if the sanctions were private and John was innocent he would not have taken his life.

Please stop with this kind of speculation. As has been pointed out many times already, suicide is complex and we don't know - and will probably never know - what else might have been going on in his life. To say that if X and Y happened then Z wouldn't have happened is just too simplistic and misleading.
 
But if someone is suspended from wal mart are they put on Wal marts website?!?! Does everyone talk about how the list was established because of a rapist who was found guilty?

I don't know about the name being put on the website, but would think that news would travel fast and everyone at the Walmart involved (and maybe other Walmarts) would know about it one way or another. What everyone would say in response to that would depend on the circumstances and the person.
 
What the sister said does not support your opinion that Coughlin killed himself because people thought he was another Larry Nassar. It does support an opinion that he killed himself because he saw his livelihood and life being put on hold for an indefinite amount of time. Because that's exactly what she said: that he can't pursue his profession.


Not sure any more if this came from this thread or the other one:


I will speak as one of these people. When my children were young, I was very careful not to leave them in the care of a single adult as much as possible. This included even my relatives. They were watched in professional day care situations or by a couple. In addition, if I signed them up for something where I got a bad vibe from even one of the adults, I would remove them from that situation.

There is one case where I signed my daughter up for a week of soccer camp. When I dropped her off on Monday, the founder of the camp (someone relatively famous in soccer/football) gave me that kind of vibe. I didn't like the way he looked at my daughter and I didn't like the tone in his voice when he told me she was beautiful. I let her finish out the week since there were other adults there and the kids never went off somewhere with them but stayed in an open field. But I certainly never signed her up for that camp again.

I would be very careful about sending my kids to a competition without me. I would want there to be multiple adults around at all times and not to hear that one adult took my one kid anywhere private. However, most of the time that kids are going to internationals, they are teenagers and by the time my kids were teenagers, I had a good idea of their judgement and how vulnerable they were to things like grooming. So I did let them go on trips with other families. But I definitely kept an eye on the relationship and would ask questions when they got home to make sure they weren't being groomed and weren't spending a long time in private situations with a single adult.
I think your children have been very fortunate to have you as a parent. So many are completely oblivious to how grooming happens. You've given them an incredible gift!
 
You'd better watch out. You'd better not cry...

A CBS news reporter recently went undercover and applied to be a Santa at five malls using the name of a registered child sex offender in Los Angeles. All five malls offered him the job, despite claiming that they did background checks. And a mall Santa in North Carolina was arrested for child pornography charges earlier this year.

That is quite horrifying! My kids were never interested in sitting on Santa’s knee so I never pushed.
 
And how will future employers know about the sanction if it isn’t publicized? A sanctioned person could, say, move from the southern US to northern Ontario and be hired by a small local rink.

Rinks in Canada (regardless of where they are) can’t hire coaches unless they have been certified, registered and are in good standing with Skate Canada. Coaching certification includes background checks. A sanctioned person would never pass.
 
I am upset about this as well, but there has not been a mob mentality around the investigation IMO. I watched the first TSL episode where they discussed it, and they were reserved. They mostly just pointed out that it was happening. It didn’t seem like people talked about it much on social media/the forums or jumped to conclusions. We were all just waiting to hear more. This isn’t what anyone hoped to hear. I felt sick when I heard.

And I strongly reject the idea that Brennan or TSL or the fact that it was public knowledge that he was under investigation is to blame for this, because we aren’t going to fix the incredibly real and horrifying problem our society has with sexual abuse by protecting people who are accused of it. And anyone accused of abuse who works with minors should be restricted from working with them until a reasonable and thorough investigation takes place. The priority should always be the victims and preventing further abuse, even when the allegations are in the process of being reported and investigated. I don’t know what could have been done differently here to merit pointing fingers, at least not with the info we have now. This is just awful, all around.
Yes, absolutely they should not have access to minors while they're being investigated! I wish more people understood that.

I also find it concerning that more people are not expressing messages of support for the people who made the complaints. They are going to feel guilty even if the accusations turn out to be true.
 
You'd better watch out. You'd better not cry...

A CBS news reporter recently went undercover and applied to be a Santa at five malls using the name of a registered child sex offender in Los Angeles. All five malls offered him the job, despite claiming that they did background checks. And a mall Santa in North Carolina was arrested for child pornography charges earlier this year.

Background checks arent just based on names. It has to include other identifiers such as SSN, date of birth, addresses, etc.
 
Rinks in Canada (regardless of where they are) can’t hire coaches unless they have been certified, registered and are in good standing with Skate Canada. Coaching certification includes background checks. A sanctioned person would never pass.

I think you are assuming they are working in a skate Canada program. An application to a local municipality to work in the recreation program would probably not be run through SC. Those skating instructors do not have to be CanSkate certified. I don’t believe a regular RCMP background check would pick up a sanction so I am not sure even a published sanction would be picked up, but at least there is a fighting chance.
 
I think you are assuming they are working in a skate Canada program. An application to a local municipality to work in the recreation program would probably not be run through SC. Those skating instructors do not have to be CanSkate certified. I don’t believe a regular RCMP background check would pick up a sanction so I am not sure even a published sanction would be picked up, but at least there is a fighting chance.

Correct, I was assuming they were talking about coaching figure skating or power skating, not working at a rink that just has recreational skating.
 
Remember SafeSport’s mission is to protect only the safety of Olympic athletes. They can’t protect everyone else. There are too many evil people doing evil things in this world.
No. Not only Olympic athletes, but athlete members of the sports federations that feed into the USOC system.
 
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I think those people are going after TSL because they're more vulnerable. They won't attack Brennan.

In the TSL video she appeared on this week, Brennan said she was getting death threats as well as Dave, which Phil Hersh confirmed in his article. She also said it was far from being the first time in a 37 year career as a journalist. She seemed pretty unfazed when discussing it, like this is just part of the job and she's used to it, which was pretty depressing to me.
 
If people are not smart enough to understand that when a name is on that list it means they are being investigate! THAT'S IT
Doesn't mean you're as bad as Nassar, doesn't mean you rape someone... sexual misconduct look it up see what it means.... Sexual misconduct is a broad term encompassing any unwelcome behavior of a sexual nature that is committed without consent or by force, intimidation, coercion, or manipulation. Sexual misconduct can be committed by a person of any gender, and it can occur between people of the same or different gender...
So no one knows why he was investigated
We just know the nature of the investigation
And from that people made their own assumption because they just can't read!


SafeSport was established to protect coaches by giving them specific guidelines they need to follow to prevent problems....
SafeSport was established to protect athletes, people who are mostly like to be


Some people... Apparently, a pair coach posted on her post on FB that he couldn't have done what the guy from SL was saying because it wasn't in his DNA!!! I wasn't aware that this coach saw his DNA...that's one of my favorite stupid thing I read!
I think those people are going after TSL because they're more vulnerable. They won't attack Brennan.

SafeSport tried to pretend the US is a perfect utopia of innocent until proven guilty! That’s not how it works! So the living in perfect utopia fairly land or something needs to be abandoned and all names be totally confidential unless there is a criminal arrest or criminal conviction!

People are talking about underage alleged victims like John Coughlin raped them! Well they could have gone to the police not SafeSport! Everyone just assumes SafeSport is investigating rape claims.

I don't know about the name being put on the website, but would think that news would travel fast and everyone at the Walmart involved (and maybe other Walmarts) would know about it one way or another. What everyone would say in response to that would depend on the circumstances and the person.
That way is preferable to the public list because you have people like brennan looking for Pulitzer’s
 
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What are others thinking?

I was referring to John taking his own life. When I made that post, it wasn't yet clear, at least not to me.

That way is preferable to the public list because you have people like brennan looking for Pulitzer’s

That's really uncalled for. I doubt that Brennan is looking for a Pulitzer or ever likely to be a candidate for one.

She is just doing her job SFAIK. I don't have an opinion on her either way, as I don't follow her.
 
I think these threads have now served their purpose. There’s just a lot of unnecessary going around in circles and speculation now. I have consulted with my fellow admins and will reopen if we see fit.

Condolences and sympathies to everyone involved.
 
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