Chantastic....the return of Patrick

Japanfan said:
I'm concerned too. It looks like Patrick isn't taking his training too seriously and may be somewhat in a state of denial in thinking he can just wing it at Nationals and Olympics - but I do so hope I'm wrong in saying that.
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Are you kidding? I am equally concerned about Patrick's training of the past few months, but whatever state it is at, there is no way Patrick would think he can 'wing it at Nationals and Olympics', particularly at Olympics.
 
chantilly said:
I am really baffled and quite frankly angry with Patrick's behaviour.
This season if anything has proven is that quads alone aren't enough.
If he just focused on doing his two quads well and triple axels,he had a real hope of being on the podium this year.
In fact he may have been in the running for gold or silver.
The quadsters have been somewhat imploding this season, while whole package skaters like Rippon and Brown are doing well.
And neither of them has a reliable quad.
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If you understood the psychological strains of being an elite athlete you'd realize anger just has no place here. Patrick needs space and lots of positive affirmation. EI faced something similar last season when she realized that she and Ruslan were just not the soup. Patrick needs help accepting that his best is absolutely good enough medal or no medal. Elite athletes have great difficulty in coming to terms with that, especially those that have very high expectations of themselves. I hope he's able to make a turn for the better, soon.
 
Bigbird said:
If you understood the psychological strains of being an elite athlete you'd realize anger just has no place here. Patrick needs space and lots of positive affirmation. EI faced something similar last season when she realized that she and Ruslan were just not the soup. Patrick needs help accepting that his best is absolutely good enough medal or no medal. Elite athletes have great difficulty in coming to terms with that, especially those that have very high expectations of themselves. I hope he's able to make a turn for the better, soon.
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I understand plenty about elite athletes. And elite professions in general.
I can hold whatever opinion I want about what I feel is his defeatist attitude.
I have cut Patrick a lot of slack regarding his comments about others and skaters in the past.
I have supported Patrick and his statement at the beginning of the season regarding respecting what he's offering vs quad kings. As quite frankly I agreed with his assessment about something getting lost along the way in the manic pursuit of quads.
But when I hear he's not really trying during practices and is yet again struggling with his coach; or without one, I have to ask what does he really want.
He receives funding and support in Canada and IMO with the GP events, he kind of disrespected it by withdrawing from the second GP.
 
You are allowed to do anything you want including leaving nasty comments on a skater's facebook; it's just not nice to piss on a cheer thread including disrespecting and defeatist and whatnot.
I can take a glimpse of any one of your lives, and find something I can consider defeatist and disrespecting and magnify 10times and publish on the internet.
I am not even an uber or ardent fan; I just find it sad how quickly people turn on him the very moment he's less than perfect.

He has done more to the sport, brought medals to Skate Canada and delivered beautiful programs to fans, more than 99% of the skaters out there, and this is all he gets.
This is likely his last season; I feel like he can do whatever the heck he wants with his last season, without fans going pissy all over him. Because he DOESN"T owe you anything, not training, not medals, not anything, fan.
 
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chantilly said:
I understand plenty about elite athletes. And elite professions in general.
I can hold whatever opinion I want about what I feel is his defeatist attitude.
I have cut Patrick a lot of slack regarding his comments about others and skaters in the past.
I have supported Patrick and his statement at the beginning of the season regarding respecting what he's offering vs quad kings. As quite frankly I agreed with his assessment about something getting lost along the way in the manic pursuit of quads.
But when I hear he's not really trying during practices and is yet again struggling with his coach; or without one, I have to ask what does he really want.
He receives funding and support in Canada and IMO with the GP events, he kind of disrespected it by withdrawing from the second GP.
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Yes, you can hold whatever opinion you want chantilly. The point being made is that criticism isn't really welcome in a cheer thread. Though TBH, the thread title didn't immediately convey to me that this was a cheer thread, at first I thought it was just a thread for general discussion about Patrick.
 
Every nice sounding thread about individual skaters in the trash can are generally positive cheer supportive threads about that skater. Unless you are Patrick Chan. I dunno know, he won more medals than most skaters in other threads, he must deserve more negative comments.

Threads aside, I think posters can take this a bit too seriously if they feel like they should be angry and label skaters as defeatist, the moment a skater isn't training the way they want. And that skater has won almost every thing out there and doesn't have much left to prove (or can prove) and is a stranger to you. Unless you have given PChan money this season to train, what is it to you what he does with his life?
 
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I think reasonable criticism or questioning is perfectly fine in a fan thread. I mean, part of the purpose of fan threads is to talk about the skaters’ prospects, results, programs, and elements, etc. If all we were doing was sitting here offering praise, it would get boring pretty fast. I find nothing upsetting in @chantilly’s comments because he/she is obviously a big fan of Patrick’s skating but just questions his current course. (And let’s be frank, Patrick’s approach to the second half of this season is very, very unusual for an Olympics-bound athlete.) Reasonable criticism is okay in a fan thread. What is not okay is coming in, bashing the skater, and saying they suck or are horrible. No one is saying that, though. ETA: Maybe people could say they are disappointed or concerned with the skater’s actions, as opposed to angry. But I don’t think it’s a big deal either way. I read the initial comment as a form of “concerned.”
 
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I find that fan threads of all popular skaters go through ups and downs depending on how anxious the fans feel. I know it’s irrational to feel so strongly about a skater one does not know or have any real personal involvement with but this is a forum dedicated to our irrational and fanatical love of this sport and it’s skaters. Being a fan is pretty emotional and there is a feeling of investment of time and emotion there. Even if it’s stupid, people just do it...in sport, music, etc. I know I definitely showed off anxiety in the Shibs thread when I questioned the Shibs’ choices this season until they, with their skating, shut me up. I also know how I was in the Michelle Kwan Forum during her career and it wasn’t always sunshine. One can look at the V/M thread to see how it has it’s ups and downs too.

I always felt the skater-dedicated threads on FSU aren’t like say a fan fest thread on Goldenskate where no criticism or negativity is allowed. Rather these are threads where topics centered on these skaters can happen and where fans can congregate and share news, rumors they heard, excitement, enthusiasm, worry, etc. It’s not exactly a safe space as I’ve seen criticism and others coming in who aren’t exactly fans to discuss the skaters. Heck, the first Shibs thread created that I remember was started some time around the 2014 Olympics by someone asking what the heck they could do to improve their ranking and what was wrong with their skating with a few critics chiming in.
 
clairecloutier said:
I think reasonable criticism or questioning is perfectly fine in a fan thread. I mean, part of the purpose of fan threads is to talk about the skaters’ prospects, results, programs, and elements, etc. if all we were doing was sitting here offering praise, it would get boring pretty fast. I find nothing upsetting in @chantilly’s comments because he/she is obviously a big fan of Patrick’s skating but just questions his current course. ( And let’s be frank, Patrick’s approach to the second half of this season is very, very unusual for an Olympics-bound athlete). reasonable criticism is okay in a fan thread. What is not okay is coming in, bashing the skater, and saying they suck or are horrible. No one is saying that, though. ETA: Maybe people could say they are disappointed or concerned with the skater’s actions, as opposed to angry. But I don’t think it’s a big deal either way. I read the initial comment as a form of “concerned.”
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Going back to the first page of the thread, this is opened as an uber thread, not just a fan thread.
I have always found that constant harping on skaters' flaws always come in the form of concern, including using words that are, if you view it objectively, overkill. So at what point is constant talking about C Zhang's flutz and slowness bashing or is it always reasonable concern? To me, that is a fine line. I don't see anything as "reasonable criticism" about being angry and calling someone a defeatist, esp in an uber thread, but YMMV.

But then I have no emotional investment in this, so perhaps I don't get the angst. I am a casual fan of Chan, and I'm satisfied with whatever he has already skated. Whatever he will do in the future is bonus. But if you have emotional involvement over the years and really want him to do something this Olympics, perhaps you feel differently.
 
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jlai said:
Going back to the first page of the thread, this is opened as an uber thread, not just a fan thread.
I have always found that constant harping on skaters' flaws always come in the form of concern, including using words that are, if you view it objectively, overkill. So at what point is constant talking about C Zhang's flutz and slowness bashing or is it always reasonable concern? To me, that is a fine line. I don't see anything as "reasonable criticism" about being angry and calling someone a defeatist, esp in an uber thread, but YMMV.

But then I have no emotional investment in this, so perhaps I don't get the angst. I am a casual fan of Chan, and I'm satisfied with whatever he has already skated. Whatever he will do in the future is bonus. But if you have emotional involvement over the years and really want him to do something this Olympics, perhaps you feel differently.
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You seem to have a great deal of emotional investment in the tone of this thread, and in telling everyone how we should behave. If you don't like it you can leave, since you're just a casual fan anyway. I'm here to read the discussion about Chan not your repeated posts about what we should and should not say.
 
alilou said:
You seem to have a great deal of emotional investment in the tone of this thread, and in telling everyone how we should behave. If you don't like it you can leave, since you're just a casual fan anyway. .
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Now who is commenting who should participate in the thread and how the thread should go?

Anyway, the reason I am even commenting is that this fan thread is 5 times more negative than all the other fan threads in the trash can. Normally if there is a negative post in a fan thread, a uber would speak up and would normally balance out the thread and the thread would keep its overall positive tone, except in this case, I don't see any balance. I find this rather sad for an uber thread, and which is why I even bothered.

eta: a comment that Patrick has done enough to not warrant so much criticism is a post about Patrick and a positive one too.
 
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^^^ Excerpt:
He said he and Zoueva speak every week or two. But for now, his training is a team effort that includes Elizabeth Putnam, a former pairs skater who writes training plans for many of the top skaters in Vancouver's Lower Mainland, plus Skate Canada physiologist Kelly Quipp, among others.
Chan was flying from Toronto to Edmonton on Monday night to work with Ravi Walia, coach of world silver medallist Kaetlyn Osmond.
Walia, who used to be a caller — a specialist on the judging panel who identifies and calls a program's elements, and their level of difficulty — has already been instrumental in rejigging a couple of jumps in Chan's free program.
"He's been great, he has a very analytical mind," Chan said. "He mentioned my element order was a bit off, so we had to switch things around."
Chan's coach at the national championships, Jan. 8-14, is still to be determined, but "whoever is going to be a nationals is going to be at Olympics, that's for sure," he said. "It's things to think about, but I'm also not in a rush to plan things so far ahead."
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Patrick's first tweet in many months (sponsor-related)
https://twitter.com/Pchiddy/status/942904541871185920
 
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This concerned me (hope it's okay to post in a cheer thread):

Chan's coach at the national championships, Jan. 8-14, is still to be determined, but "whoever is going to be a nationals is going to be at Olympics, that's for sure," he said. "It's things to think about, but I'm also not in a rush to plan things so far ahead."
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He made this statement today, with nationals about only a month a way - that's not very far ahead. I would expect skaters to have everything in place team-wise one month before a national championship, and just be focused on preparing.
 
Marina is a class act. I hope Patrick is reinvigorated at every level by being back at home with Team Canada.
 
I almost don't want Patrick to peak at Nationals. He should aim to be 80% at Nationals and 100% at PC. I wonder if the 4sal is back in?
 
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