Carreira/Ponomarenko Need a Cheer Thread

At this point, I think the low-balling of their scores in the RD is going to mess with their heads if they keep it. They really do need to go back to IAM-O and just come up with an entirely different approach to the RD if they want to have any chance of getting on the Olympic team.
 
But here's the question, what would they really do? The theme is ridiculous. They chose something they liked but the judges apparently don't like their choices this year. Could it just be a case of terrible timing? To be fair though, their Stevie Nicks RD and Perfume FD, were on a whole other level in comparison to this season's material. The judges could just be disappointed, as some of us were at the start of the season.
 
Bigbird said:
But here's the question, what would they really do? The theme is ridiculous. They chose something they liked but the judges apparently don't like their choices this year. Could it just be a case of terrible timing? To be fair though, their Stevie Nicks RD and Perfume FD, were on a whole other level in comparison to this season's material. The judges could just be disappointed, as some of us were at the start of the season.
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Honestly, I think they'd be better going with bubblegum pop or even '90s country. The theme is definitely ridiculous and has hampered a lot of teams' creativity, but this program isn't really setting them apart from the rest of the pack. They could KILL it with a '90s country diva RD featuring some combination of Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Jo Dee Messina, Terri Clark, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Patty Loveless, Pam Tillis, etc. I was playing around with a bunch of different '90s country songs that meet the 120+ bpm requirement and came up with a combination of Patty Loveless' "I Try to Think About Elvis", Shania Twain's "Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under" and Terri Clark's "Better Things to Do" that would be a fun, cheeky combination with a strong female character arc which would suit Christina very well - and it would be at least interesting to see Anthony portraying a sweet-talking cheatin' boyfriend who gets booted to the curb at the end of the dance.
 
jmtfti said:
Ha, I spent the offseason imagining a two-step style RD with "No One Needs to Know" (BPM of 134-135!).
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I like all these ideas, but's who's to say, the feedback wouldn't be, not contemporary enough. I really like the country idea, but do we notice no other team really has that vibe going? This ID season is like watching a giant python suck the life out of its prey. It just is what it is. We'll enjoy their skating, not worry about placement and hope for better as the season progresses.
 
Bigbird said:
I like all these ideas, but's who's to say, the feedback wouldn't be, not contemporary enough. I really like the country idea, but do we notice no other team really has that vibe going? This ID season is like watching a giant python suck the life out of its prey. It just is what it is. We'll enjoy their skating, not worry about placement and hope for better as the season progresses.
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There are junior teams who went with a '90s country RD, so it definitely isn't against any of the rules as laid out by the IDTC. They said they wanted social/club dances of the '90s and there's nothing that screams '90s club (well, country music club/bar, lol) like country line dancing, IMO.
 
Karen-W said:
There are junior teams who went with a '90s country RD, so it definitely isn't against any of the rules as laid out by the IDTC. They said they wanted social/club dances of the '90s and there's nothing that screams '90s club (well, country music club/bar, lol) like country line dancing,
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Interesting. Hmm. But not a single senior team? Suspicious, IMHO.
 
After some deep thought, I think they should go full Weezer. Buddy Holly is 121 bpm. Weezer has had a resurgence amongst the youths lately (as evidenced by my son going to their concert and also Olivia Rodrigo had them up on stage with her recently and released a single of that this week which i 100% bought lol). Also Weezer would fit their quiet theater kids who turn up the drama when performing aesthetic. Plus if there were any questions about the dance party-ness I could assure all of them this was played at literally every party/dance I went to when it came out.
 
I’m not sure changing the RD is realistic at this point. They’ve already had to change their FD. Which, although they’ve put a good face on it, has to have been hugely distracting, not to mention discouraging.

Anthony said yesterday that they’ve put “lots and lots of hours” the past 2 weeks into reworking the middle section of the FD. Maybe the simplest explanation here is that, with that going on, they just didn’t have as much time to practice the RD coming into this event.

I’m no turns teknik, but watching the RD again several times, it just seems like they didn’t have the depth of edges in the PSt that some of the other top 5 managed, and they seemed to be skating more on flats/shallow edges. There were also some moments when they seemed to lack flow/sureness. This could be a result of less practice time or maybe just feeling a bit stiff and not “on” yesterday.

My thought is they’re going for a somewhat more subtle/flirty/dancey approach with this program. It’s not a hit like their last 2 RDs, but I think it’s okay? I like the second half more than the first half. I think maybe just focus on performing it more strongly.
 
I think all we can hope for (aside from a passport) is that they do what they are so capable of - showing up at nationals and be undeniable. I agree that this RD shouldn't change - I think it's too late and too risky. Instead they can rework it some more - maybe work with Randi Strong who took the Stevie Nicks RD to a point where the judges totally went with it. Maybe new costumes for both of them - I would love them to explore 90s clubbing outfits more and lean into the feeling more. And of course, work that technical like we all know they can. I'm concerned but have total faith in them. Not so much the judges mind you.

And - if they don't get to Milan? It's going to be a pretty weak Olympics anyway with the most embarrassing RD theme for the global stage. Onwards!
 
clairecloutier said:
I’m not sure changing the RD is realistic at this point. They’ve already had to change their FD. Which, although they’ve put a good face on it, has to have been hugely distracting, not to mention discouraging.

Anthony said yesterday that they’ve put “lots and lots of hours” the past 2 weeks into reworking the middle section of the FD. Maybe the simplest explanation here is that, with that going on, they just didn’t have as much time to practice the RD coming into this event.

I’m no turns teknik, but watching the RD again several times, it just seems like they didn’t have the depth of edges in the PSt that some of the other top 5 managed, and they seemed to be skating more on flats/shallow edges. There were also some moments when they seemed to lack flow/sureness. This could be a result of less practice time or maybe just feeling a bit stiff and not “on” yesterday.

My thought is they’re going for a somewhat more subtle/flirty/dancey approach with this program. It’s not a hit like their last 2 RDs, but I think it’s okay? I like the second half more than the first half. I think maybe just focus on performing it more strongly.
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I don't really think it's realistic to change at this point I'm just coping with the pain lol

I also think their rd is ok, but also I am afraid they are going to get into their head about this rd now. I think they need to do at least some kind of subtle change or something to make it feel fresher to them so that they don't feel like they are doing the same thing they have not been rewarded for.
 
One thing I will say is that I don't think this is the USFS dumping them. The US judge had them 3rd in the RD and close to LajLag for 2nd. This is about the rest of that panel (aside from AZE) doing their level best to dump them, but that's been happening to almost all the US dance teams this season save ZingKol. And, at this rate, I'm not sure it won't happen to ZingKol next week. It's looking like a coordinated attack to knock US ice dance down a peg or two and I'm wondering if there are just a bunch of feds pissed that the USA nearly maxed out on the GP (17 of 18 potential spots) in ice dance this season.
 
It's not quite the right bpm (116) but I still maintain that I'd looove to see them do a Smooth by Santana programme. Probably not "dance" enough for this loser set of tasteless judges.
 
Karen-W said:
One thing I will say is that I don't think this is the USFS dumping them. The US judge had them 3rd in the RD and close to LajLag for 2nd. This is about the rest of that panel (aside from AZE) doing their level best to dump them, but that's been happening to almost all the US dance teams this season save ZingKol. And, at this rate, I'm not sure it won't happen to ZingKol next week. It's looking like a coordinated attack to knock US ice dance down a peg or two and I'm wondering if there are just a bunch of feds pissed that the USA nearly maxed out on the GP (17 of 18 potential spots) in ice dance this season.
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Yeah Ill be interested to see what they do with ZK next week - SD had mistakes in China (without would've been close) and DS have been on the up too. Plus - with judges feedback who knows how the Shibs will look.
 
Rukia said:
After some deep thought, I think they should go full Weezer. Buddy Holly is 121 bpm. Weezer has had a resurgence amongst the youths lately (as evidenced by my son going to their concert and also Olivia Rodrigo had them up on stage with her recently and released a single of that this week which i 100% bought lol). Also Weezer would fit their quiet theater kids who turn up the drama when performing aesthetic. Plus if there were any questions about the dance party-ness I could assure all of them this was played at literally every party/dance I went to when it came out.
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There was definitely a quirkiness and geekiness to the 90s that no team has captured in the RD.

That being said I think Car/Pom chose RD music that the judges/IDTC want to see when they said 90s social dances.

So I don’t know what more they can do besides practice the hell out of it and try to max out technically?
 
It seems to me the issue was TES. Their PCS seems fine and in line with the other teams they are grouped with so not seeing how a new RD fixes that. It's the levels and even I could see they didn't skate that as well as they skated it at SC. The tech panel was brutal for all the teams. The drop on points is all down to the levels called, PCS is consistent between both comps.
 
litenkyckling said:
It's not quite the right bpm (116) but I still maintain that I'd looove to see them do a Smooth by Santana programme. Probably not "dance" enough for this loser set of tasteless judges.
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A few lower ranked teams are using "Smooth" this season, so it seems like judges are OK with it. (At least for obscure Euro and Canadian teams.) Hensen/Lickers are doing Ricky Martin, though, and it seems like IAMO tends to diversify RD approaches among their seniors each season.
 
Seems really minor, but I thought Christina’s blue costume seemed more club-like than the new purple one, as pretty as it is. I agree a new program would be risky and they (along with just about everyone else) need to work on footwork levels and confidence. Main difference I see with Z/K is that they are skating very confidently.
 
Notre Dame is a brilliant piece of music. I know Scott is their coach and I believe he has integrity...I wonder if Christina and Anthony watched D/W skate this music. I am sure they have back in the day but I mean now, to see how to cut those edges in and feel the music. I know they can skate this program brilliantly, I have faith they will get it soon.
 
Am I being too harsh for thinking Scott should be there with CPom this weekend? I know they love Madison too, but Scott seems to be particularly good with them at competition time.
 
What in the world has happened this GP season….. this Olympic season is bad vibes for ice dance all round and I can’t wait for it to end.

I’m furious at the judging and I’m gutted for Christina and Anthony.

Why is it that Bock can have a career longer than most people are in education and when they have a poor technical outing they get propped up. Yet come Olympic season one of the top performers from the entire quad gets dropped like a stone? And for what? I’m baffled I really am.
 
Ok, also using nbc using them vs bock to try and talk up bock's skating skills was dirty work but also so wrong????? It wasn't even showing what they claimed. But still it was not a good look.
 
At this point, I think they need to get her citizenship, skip Golden Spin, rework the RD, and go back to their Perfume FD.
They need to pull a V/M at 2018 nationals type of energy shift, and I think they can do it, but the most important thing for them is not to let it mess with their heads and stay confident. The worst thing that can happen now is if they get spooked and have nervous skates.
 
litenkyckling said:
What in the world has happened this GP season….. this Olympic season is bad vibes for ice dance all round and I can’t wait for it to end.

I’m furious at the judging and I’m gutted for Christina and Anthony.

Why is it that Bock can have a career longer than most people are in education and when they have a poor technical outing they get propped up. Yet come Olympic season one of the top performers from the entire quad gets dropped like a stone? And for what? I’m baffled I really am.
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Welcome to the Olympic season when your own federation will lobby against you to hold up your countrymen.

See Canada and France also.

La/La and L/B also getting hosed this season.
 
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