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Olympic short track speed skating champion Semion Elistratov tests positive for doping. No points for guessing country + substance.
For everyone who is such an expert about enhancing drugs, this is from the person who invented the drug in question. http://vazel.blog.lemonde.fr/2016/0...r-du-meldonium-ce-nest-pas-un-produit-dopant/
I think the question is not whether Bobrova had the chance to accept or refuse, but the question is whether the doctor did or did not misinformed her about what he gave her. It seems that as far as she was aware, she was going to get something that was perfectly legal. So was it honest mistake from the doctor, or did the doctor make her believe it is the medication she gave him while giving her something else?First time back on FSU in a number of days and I see this.
In all this thread, I haven't seen a definitive answer to one question: in 2016, do Russian skaters have or not have the right to tell Team doctors who want to give them something (injection, pills, etc.) "No" and have that be honored without causing them negative repercussions with the Team/Federation? I'm sure I know what the "official" Russian Fed answer would be, I'm looking for the inside reality of the situation.
I think the question is not whether Bobrova had the chance to accept or refuse, but the question is whether the doctor did or did not misinformed her about what he gave her. It seems that as far as she was aware, she was going to get something that was perfectly legal. So was it honest mistake from the doctor, or did the doctor make her believe it is the medication she gave him while giving her something else?
That makes it even worse. These poor athletes have been taking this drug in the belief that it would enhance their performance, and it turns out it was a snake oil of a dope all along. Careers down the drain for a placebo!
I'm not so sure of that. From the (Google Translate) of one of the last questions:
"Yet a study from 2012 (1) which you are the co-author, mentions that "the Mildronate increases endurance properties and aerobic capacity of athletes" and concluded that it is "recommended for its pharmaceutical use which improves capacity working athletes "...
The last sentence of this reference can be confusing, if the text is not included in its entirety. It means that during training under the threshold of the maximum tolerated physical load in the absence of ischemia, athletes can work longer. But this is not the case for sports events, where athletes go to their maximum capacity and undergo ischemia."
Isn't most athletic training going to be under the threshold of "maximum tolerated physical load"? If the athlete gains performance enhancement -- including faster recovery -- during training, that is still doping as far as I know.
Of course, I'm still a little creeped out at the notion of doctors regularly injecting athletes with medications other than pain-relief steriods for injuries.
I mean, if you're not in fit enough shape to get through your practices, warm-ups, and programs without legal but extra "vitamin shots" given just before or during the competition, then what does that say about you as an athlete? So I keep coming back to: did she feel that she had to take what the doctor had in his hand, or else suffer some sort of negative action down the road, to be administered by Team officials.
The former executive director of the Russian anti-doping agency (Rusada) who suddenly died of a heart attack eight days ago, had planned to write a book revealing “the true story of doping in Russia” with information covering the last three decades since he began work for a “secret lab”.
This is getting scarier and scarier: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...nikita-kamaev-was-to-reveal-all-a6888406.html
I don't know what to say anymore, either about this or Sharapova.
All so sad
You know, I have read enough about doping to the point I don't believe any tennis player is clean. So Sharapova isn't clean, I am sure the rest of the field isn't either. It's just this time it's her who has been caught.I think Sharapova is guilty. Her humble admission and classy behaviour is a PR move in my view.
I will never believe neither she nor her team checked the WADA list.
Sudden deaths of dangerous people have become standard procedure in Putin's Russia
I usually agree with your figure skating posts, but you really have to stop pushing your political agenda over and over again on a skating forum.
There are other forums for that.
It makes me think of a saying: Кошка бросила котят, значит Путин виноват. ;-)
Russian athletes have always been 'managed' by their teams - coaches, Federation, trainers. Bobrova or any other Russian skater would have no idea what she's being injected with. This is how East German female swimmers were subjected to horrific pharmaceutical experiments for the sake of glorifying their country. Culturally, this is how things are in Russia. Bobrova would trust her team to manage her vitamins properly.
Hehe, fine. I will try. It just drives me crazy what Putin has done to the country I love, but I'll shut up about it for now
I think Sharapova is guilty. Her humble admission and classy behaviour is a PR move in my view.
I will never believe neither she nor her team checked the WADA list.
it is a protective drug that does not increase the production of energy or physical abilities in humans, since meldonium lowers the rate of carnitine - a well-known substance used as a food supplement in bodybuilding, slowing energy production by fatty acids and thus decreasing the total energy production in the human body!
However, there is no scientific evidence available (RCTs double blind) demonstrating the ability of meldonium to improve athletic performance.
The meldonium is not a doping substance and in my opinion it can not improve the performance of athletes.
Athletes and federations are notified well in advance when a legal drug is going to be made illegal. They have lots of time to either stop taking the drug or to find an alternative if they need it for legitimate medical reasons.
How about all the athletes who had to compete against her, who weren't taking performance enhancing drugs? Where is the sympathy for them?
It was announced in September 2015 that it would be banned Jan 1 2016 if found in your system Jan 1 2016. That means stop it in September...not take it in November.....They give you 4 months warning so you can stop in time to be clean by January...Where is the confusion?
We are not used to seeing a team event in FS, that's all. In gymnastics nobody questions a team gold. It receives the same respect as any other Olympic gold. It is sad to see FS fans not respecting their own sport. I don't remember the name of the US gymnast who was highly publicized as a potential all around gold in gymnastics but didn't win anything but the team gold. She is still an Olympic gold medallist.
Lots of people in the US who can afford it get vitamin shots. There doesn't need to be a vitamin deficiency observed before the doctor can give them. They only need to 'help.'