Not agreeing with you is not the same as being obtuse. I think that there are many interventions, some banned and some not, that impact athletic performance. And the line drawn regarding what is allowed and what isn't can be arbitrary.
What will never be banned is "chifir" (чифир) - high concentration of black tee (Ceylon or Indian). You take 5 bags of black tee, to 1/3 regular cup of hot water, an let it sit for 15 minutes. Let it chill, then gulp it. Cheap and free..... and 3 hours of uplift (then when it wears out, you feel it wearing out, but for 3 hours, for 1.50 USD, you get what no expensive drug or substance can give you)...
ETA: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...ire-russias-latest-doping-scandal/562029.html
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva is quoted as saying: "Meldonium, mildronat I also saw earlier, but just know that it is considered to be doping, and immediately stopped taking it this year." She claims that she was unaware of the Jan. 1st ban and was informed by her skater friends about it. Google translated excerpt:
I think you are mistaking me with someone. I haven't mentioned periods on this forum! But the proper sleep and nutrition do enhance performance!Glad to see you have moved on from periods and are now saying that proper sleep and nutrition are now equivalent to taking medicine not prescribed for purpose.
Well, you have to look at the reason why they are banning the substance. Or they banning it because it enhances performance, or because it is not healthy for the athlete? If they are banning it because it enhances performance, you may have to look carefully what else can potentially enhance performance, because if you want to eliminate unfair advantage, you may have to deal with the fact that someone may have better access to proper nutrition or to better sleep.
I probably don't have the right sense of humour, but I really don't find this funny. We are talking about someone's career going down the drain. Call me naive, but from the interviews with her, and based on her past actions, I honestly don't think she took it knowingly. So whichever way it got to her body, I find it quite sad situation. Yes, it is her body and therefore she is responsible, but I really don't see any reason for mocking her. But that's just my opinion.Time for some levity in this revolving door discussion... especially as it seems to have disappeared down the Rabbit Hole quite some time ago.
TRITE HABIT
(To the tune "White Rabbit," with apologies to Jefferson Airplane)
One shot makes you stronger,
And one pill makes you haul,
And the ones that doctor gives you
Lift you up like an eight ball,
Go as Katya
When she's ten feet tall.
And if you go forming habits
And then find out that you fail,
Tell 'em hookah-smoking Russian doctor
Slipped mickeys in your tail.
Go ask Katya
When she calls for bail.
She was Anna on the train tracks
And a champion in Moscow,
But injecting yourself with 'roid juice
To give yourself extra flow?
Go ask Katya,
I think she'll know.
Kicked off of the World team,
Disappointing your fed,
And the White Knight is talking backwards,
And the Red Queen's "Off with her head!"
Remember what the team doc said,
Take your meds!
Take your meds!
Time for some levity in this revolving door discussion... especially as it seems to have disappeared down the Rabbit Hole quite some time ago.
TRITE HABIT
(To the tune "White Rabbit," with apologies to Jefferson Airplane)
One shot makes you stronger,
And one pill makes you haul,
And the ones that doctor gives you
Lift you up like an eight ball,
Go as Katya
When she's ten feet tall.
.........
It's called "creativity"...It's not "mocking" and it is not intended to be funny, the verses are in "murder-ballad" style.... yet it's rather "career-murder ballad"....
like "Twa Sisters"..... http://www.darachweb.net/SongLyrics/TwaSisters.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_ballad
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She admitted that she used it when it was ALLOWED! So if they ban caffeine and some skater will admit that the year before he/she liked a huge mug of coffee before every competition to calm his/her nerves, will he/she become suddenly a drug cheat? I really don't understand what it has got to do what she did when it was allowed. Do you think people should be suing their parents for using corporal punishment some 20-30 years ago, when it was still considered the norm in the society? You have to take into consideration the timing, the circumstances. It seems to me that you are far too keen to judge someone, but maybe you should start thinking about whether you have ever done something that was 'allowed' (or not illegal) years ago, and now you wouldn't do it because it is not allowed. Do you think you should be judged for it retrospectively?
You are right, but it should have been investigated much earlier. Before those athletes were dragged through the mud and judged by people who have no any expertise in chemistry or medicine, but who have very strong opinions nevertheless.
By her past actions I mean that it feels to me (from several different things that are not even connected) that Bobrova is generally an honest lady with pretty high moral values. There was for example her giving out the car she received as a price for the Olympics to the charity. You may say that it doesn't prove anything, so she gave money, big deal, but how many skaters you know gave that amount of money, without being very well off? Yuna Kim spends a lot of money on charity, but Yuna is a very wealthy lady. Can you see let's say Lysacek giving his Olympic reward to charity? And I am not talking about making a donation, here and there some £100, but the value of that car, that was a lot of money and I don't think she comes from such super rich family that this amount of money would mean nothing to her. Secondly, at the time when there was the petition requesting the release of some skaters from the French federation, she put her name under it. There were some past competitive skaters who signed it, but not many current ones, because the current ones were worried about it having impact on their career. This girl has guts and signed it because she believed that it was the right thing to do. That says something about her values, and what sort of person she is.
