2025 Cup of China Pairs SP PBP - Haban-Error

[thvu]

Don't agree with Zhang/Huang being behind Sui/Han .... AT ALL. Oh well (sigh) ....

Zhang/Huang def got hosed on GOE.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

Matteo's pants get all the GOE though.

And really, that's all that matters.

 

[thvu]

I love hearing Chris' thought process on reviewing the jumps for unders. He's just as harsh as we are, if not harsher!

 

[tony]

Went and read the rules again to make sure. Sorry not sorry, Sui & Han did an invalid element in the short program and it should have no value.

Group 5 (Lasso) Lifts
In a Lasso, or Group 5 Lift, the Woman rotates around the man/in relation to the man during the lifting process between the take-off and the fully extended position.This rotation must be visible by way of shoulders and or hips. During the lifting process one of the man’s hands must remain clearly above his shoulders. If not, the group is identified as group 4 lift.

 

[Sally1214]

Great skate for Katie and Daniil!

 

[skatingguy]

Katie McBeath/Daniil Parkman
Coach: J. Meno, T. Sand, B. Frazier
Music: Vale

Triple Twist 4 (3 after review)
3T
Throw 3Lz
Axel Lasso Lift 3
Change Foot Combo Spin 4
Step Sequence 3
Back Inside Death Spiral 2 (1 after review)

Good skate, but something missing from the performance which seemed to lose energy towards the end of the program.

69.18 = 2nd Place

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

Katie's never not going to be Lady Mcbeth to Chris.

 

[Karen-W]

McBark - 3tw - quite nice; SBS 3t - swishy; throw 3lz - nice but small compared to SuiHan; lift - really lovely & beautiful exit; SBS spins - out-of-synch here & there but close together; step seq - decent; BIDS - probably their weakest element.

Well, I expect their score to rise tremendously compared to last week. I'd have them in the 68-69 range, easily.

 

[peibeck]

McBeath/Parkman: picking up strongly where they left off last week. Nice. They are a bit far apart at times, but good job.

 

[skategal]

Beauty throw 3 Lutz

 

[thvu]

Wow, the big elements were on fire today. Only weak spot were the sbs spins. Great for Macbeath and Parkman, especially competing two weeks in a row and having to travel to China.

They move so differently though. It's really distracting to me when they're not performing elements. The unison of style just isn't there yet.

 

[tony]

here's the evidence of what I spoke about with Sui/Han. There's zero 'gray area' here:

https://imgur.com/a/3QlSmSR

Press lift.

 

[peibeck]

Lady McBeth is happy with that score. Shakespeare would be pleased too.

 

[Sally1214]

"The Olympic Champions leading" is ridiculous. But we ARE watching figure skating with figure skating judges .... lest we forget.

 

[Karen-W]

Okay, Katie & Daniil, understand that your mission, once you get home from this GP, is to get yourselves to the Orange County Courthouse & get married so that we have at least 2 really good pairs teams for the next Olympic cycle who will have their citizenship sorted out in time for Nice-Alpes Maritimes 2030.

 

[Sally1214]

Okay, Katie & Daniil, understand that your mission, once you get home from this GP is to get yourselves to the Orange County Courthouse & get married so that we have at least 2 really good pairs teams for the next Olympic cycle who will have their citizenship sorted out in time for Nice-Alpes Maritimes 2030.

"Karen, the matchmaker" hard at work here. Marry now ... not for love but for the good of the US Olympic spots. I like it.

 

[peibeck]

here's the evidence of what I spoke about with Sui/Han. There's zero 'gray area' here:

https://imgur.com/a/3QlSmSR

Press lift.

Is there likely to be a protest brought up though? Or a late revision to the score? Or are you just bringing this up to remind us how skating isn't always on the up and up?

 

[tony]

Is there likely to be a protest brought up though? Or a late revision to the score? Or are you just bringing this up to remind us how skating isn't always on the up and up?

I would hope they would go back and revise but come on, doubtful.

 

[thvu]

here's the evidence of what I spoke about with Sui/Han. There's zero 'gray area' here:

https://imgur.com/a/3QlSmSR

Press lift.

They also do this lift in the long program too, so they'll have a Group 3, 4, and 5 instead of two Group 5 lifts. This is a really big miss by the panel (and Sui & Han's team).

 

[Karen-W]

Is there likely to be a protest brought up though? Or a late revision to the score? Or are you just bringing this up to remind us how skating isn't always on the up and up?

I'm sure he's texting someone he knows who knows someone who is in China right now to get this looked at, though I'm not it will be in time to get the referee & tech panel to correct the matter. It should be called out, though, because there is always NHK and the GPF to consider in the next few weeks.

 

[thvu]

And to show a proper Group 5 Reverse Lasso Lift, Hocke & Kunkel just did a great one.

 

[skatingguy]

Annika Hocke/Robert Kunkel
Coach: Ondrej Hotarek, Luca Dematte, Nolan Seegert
Music: Hold My Hand by Lady Gaga

Triple Twist 3
3Sq - Robert two-footed
Throw 3F
Reverse Lasso Lift 4
Back Inside Death Spiral 3
Change Foot Combo Spin 4
Step Sequence 3

Nice skate, and I think this program has some real promise once they can start skating it full out.

65.22 = 4th Place

 

[Karen-W]

HocKun - 3tw - fine; SBS 3s - looked like his free foot touched down really fast; throw 3f - up and down and landed; lift - this looks like effort which is true for almost every element with this team; BIDS - okay, that's nice; SBS spins - pretty decent; step seq - alright - probably not the element I would have ended the program on, but I'm not their choreographer, so whatever.

 

[peibeck]

Hocke/Kunkel: this Lady Gaga song could be a great vehicle but they just skate through it. His posture (or lack thereof) is very distracting.

 

[Sally1214]

Annika can really rock a unitard. She always looks great. Too bad about the jump error in that program. Overall, I like the program and will enjoy seeing it "grow" over the season.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

I will never not think of "Volare" as a car commercial song.

 

[Wyliefan]

We need some Dean Martin up in here.

 

[skatingguy]

Rebecca Ghilardi/Filippo Ambrosini
Coach: Daniel Aggiano, Raffaella Cazzaniga
Music: Volare by Il Volo

2A
Triple Twist 2 (1 after review) - short rotation
Axel Lasso Lift 4
Throw 3Lz - hand down
Back Inside Death Spiral 2
Combo Spin 3 (4 after review)
Step Sequence 4

A little rough in places, and missing levels on some elements.

64.60 = 5th Place

 

[Karen-W]

GhiAmbro - SBS 2a - did she do a 2a? 3tw - not terrible, but not great; lift - good; throw 3lz - pretty sure her hand swiped the ice on the landing; BIDS - ugly position for her; SBS spins - close together; step sequence - another team ending on this element and it's just sort of meh.

Also, this is another bizarre cover of a well-known piece and I can't get behind them using it - the program just felt sort of off altogether. Katie & Daniil looking good to make the final group for the FS again this week!

 

[peibeck]

Ghilardi/Ambrosini: great lasso lift but the rest is meh... Although getting to see Filippo shaking his hips a bit isn't too hard on my eyes.