2024-25 US Pairs Discussion - Triple-Twisting Through Tornado Alley
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Considering that in previous years there are teams that didn't get to go to Nationals by one placement or also technical minimum like Mcisaac/Sadusky, I fully agree with you.
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Audrey and Balazs are still listed in the ISU entries for Warsaw Cup but I just noticed that they are listed as WD as of 11/15 on USFS' International Assignments page that was last updated yesterday. I hope they can still make it to Golden Spin - Chan/Howe, Martins/Bedard & Shin/Nagy are listed there: https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/...25-international-assignments-and-results.aspx
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Did we ever find out what happened to Fredette/Siianytsia? I'm assuming injury given their watered down program from the last competition.
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I've been wondering as well. I'm hoping it's just a minor delay. Danylo is so promising, I'd love to see him build some momentum with Fredette.
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Cross-posting both in here and in the U.S. Ice Dance news thread from the U.S. Sectionals thread in Kiss & Cry:
USFS can "go against their rulebook" [re. no medical byes to Nationals] by having the Board of Directors "vote to rescind the exceptions to rule 2502 & 2503 previously approved in July 2024 regarding Junior Pairs and Junior Ice Dance at the U.S. Championships. As a result, the 2025 U.S. Championships will return to the original numbers, with the top 12 Junior Pair teams from the US Pairs Final and the top 12 Junior Ice Dance teams from the US Ice Dance Final qualify. All previous advancement information pertaining to Junior Pairs and Junior Ice Dance published in the NQS handbook and November Finals pre-information is void."
(excerpt from an email sent to all Sectional competitors & coaches that was shared with me)
Therefore, all 11 of the Junior teams competing today & tomorrow at the U.S. Ice Dance Final at Midwesterns in Plano, as well as all 9 of the Junior pairs that competed last week in the U.S. Pairs Final at Easterns in Norwood, will advance to 2025 Nationals!
USFS can "go against their rulebook" [re. no medical byes to Nationals] by having the Board of Directors "vote to rescind the exceptions to rule 2502 & 2503 previously approved in July 2024 regarding Junior Pairs and Junior Ice Dance at the U.S. Championships. As a result, the 2025 U.S. Championships will return to the original numbers, with the top 12 Junior Pair teams from the US Pairs Final and the top 12 Junior Ice Dance teams from the US Ice Dance Final qualify. All previous advancement information pertaining to Junior Pairs and Junior Ice Dance published in the NQS handbook and November Finals pre-information is void."
(excerpt from an email sent to all Sectional competitors & coaches that was shared with me)
Therefore, all 11 of the Junior teams competing today & tomorrow at the U.S. Ice Dance Final at Midwesterns in Plano, as well as all 9 of the Junior pairs that competed last week in the U.S. Pairs Final at Easterns in Norwood, will advance to 2025 Nationals!
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But not Senior?Cross-posting both in here and in the U.S. Ice Dance news thread from the U.S. Sectionals thread in Kiss & Cry:
USFS can "go against their rulebook" by having the Board of Directors "vote to rescind the exceptions to rule 2502 & 2503 previously approved in July 2024 regarding Junior Pairs and Junior Ice Dance at the U.S. Championships. As a result, the 2025 U.S. Championships will return to the original numbers, with the top 12 Junior Pair teams from the US Pairs Final and the top 12 Junior Ice Dance teams from the US Ice Dance Final qualify. All previous advancement information pertaining to Junior Pairs and Junior Ice Dance published in the NQS handbook and November Finals pre-information is void."
(excerpt from an email sent to all Sectional competitors & coaches that was shared with me)
Therefore, all 11 of the Junior teams competing today & tomorrow at the U.S. Ice Dance Final at Midwesterns in Plano, as well as all 9 of the Junior pairs that competed last week in the U.S. Pairs Final at Easterns in Norwood, will advance to 2025 Nationals!
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Martins/Bedard are listed as withdrawn from Golden Spin as of 11/22 on the USFS Int'l Assignments page.
Congratulations to Kam/O'Shea for qualifying for the Grand Prix Final!
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USFS made the 2025 Nationals entries official in their press release today (I've included the U.S. Pairs Final placements below):
Senior Pairs (12):
Senior Pairs (12):
- Emily Chan and Spencer Howe (bye)
- Sydney Cooke and Matthew Kennedy (U.S. Pairs Final, 2nd)
- Nica Digerness and Mark Sadusky (bye)
- Alisa Efimova and Misha Mitrofanov (bye)
- Linzy Fitzpatrick and Keyton Bearinger (bye)
- Grace Hanns and Danny Neudecker (U.S. Pairs Final, 3rd) - made it in
- Ellie Kam and Danny O’Shea (bye)
- Ellie Korytek and Timmy Chapman (U.S. Pairs Final, 1st)
- Isabelle Martins and Ryan Bedard (bye)
- Katie McBeath and Daniil Parkman (bye)
- Audrey Shin and Balazs Nagy (bye)
- Naomi Williams and Lachlan Lewer (bye)
- Saya Carpenter and Jon Maravilla (U.S. Pairs Final, 9th [skated injured])
- Olivia Flores and Luke Wang (bye - JGPF)
- Graceann Gottschalk and Sam Herbert (U.S. Pairs Final, 5th)
- Elizabeth Hansen and William Church (U.S. Pairs Final, 1st)
- Sofia Jarmoc and Luke Witkowski (U.S. Pairs Final, 4th)
- Milada Kovar and Jared McPike (U.S. Pairs Final, 7th)
- Addyson McDanold and Aaron Felberbaum (U.S. Pairs Final, 3rd)
- Mazie McFarland and Samir Andjorin (U.S. Pairs Final, 8th)
- Reagan Moss and Jakub Galbavy (U.S. Pairs Final, 2nd)
- Taisiya Shapovalova and Carter Griffin (U.S. Pairs Final, 6th)
- Giuliana Gariti and Matthew Curtis (U.S. Pairs Final, 3rd)
- Alena Kerr and Mitchell Castelletti (U.S. Pairs Final, 2nd)
- Juliet Meek and Devin Meek (U.S. Pairs Final, 1st)
- Tallulah Tanner and Nickolai Apter (U.S. Pairs Final, 4th)
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So the minimum was BS?
My thoughts are that Sappenfield still has a pull with USFSA.
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Not sure, but I think my theory on the TES mins is more likely - that the USFS decided to make it a combined SP+FS TES min instead as the ISU is now doing rather than separate SP & FS TES mins.
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Hanns/Neudecker replaced the injured Plazas/Fernandez. I believe USFS' Board of Directors had to vote on any change to the mininum score requirement (like they did for the Junior Pairs & Ice Dance numbers) - maybe they thought along the same line as Karen did (as she just posted above):
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry (in reaction to USFS). 
USFS 2024-25 Rulebook says only in general terms that there will be a minimum TES requirement for seniors at Nats.
No specification in USFS rulebook that there will be separate tech minimums for SP/RD and for FS/FD, as opposed to a combined minimum.
ISU document re combined TES minimums for 2024-25 season was published on Jul 30, 2024.
USFS document re 2025 Nats minimums (separate for SP and FS, same as in previous years) was published on Aug 22, 2024 (after BOD approval in mid-Aug).
So for better or worse, it would appear that after Pairs Final (where Hanns/Neudecker still did not meet SP minimum), USFS decided to make it possible (with whatever action was necessary) for them to qualify for Nats.
USFS 2024-25 Rulebook says only in general terms that there will be a minimum TES requirement for seniors at Nats.
No specification in USFS rulebook that there will be separate tech minimums for SP/RD and for FS/FD, as opposed to a combined minimum.
2505 Minimum Total Element Score
A. Competitors who qualify for the senior events at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships through rule 2501 (B)(5 or 6), rule 2502 (B)(5) or rule 2503 (B)(5) or as alternates in rule 2521 (A), must also have met a minimum total element score (TES) at one of the following competitions in the same season: Any National Qualifying Series event, a sectional singles final, the U.S. Pairs Final, the U.S. Ice Dance Final, or any ISU competition.
B. The minimum TES will be determined annually. It is recommended by the appropriate discipline committee and must be approved by the Board of Directors by Sept. 1. Once approved, the minimum TES for each discipline will be published on the Members Only site in a Technical Notification.
ISU document re combined TES minimums for 2024-25 season was published on Jul 30, 2024.
USFS document re 2025 Nats minimums (separate for SP and FS, same as in previous years) was published on Aug 22, 2024 (after BOD approval in mid-Aug).
https://www.usfigureskating.org/sites/default/files/media-files/TN 308 Minimum TES 2025.pdf (available on public USFS site this season )
The point being that USFS already would have been aware of ISU change to combined TES minimums before USFS BOD approved separate minimums for 2025 Nats -- and USFS rulebook would not have prevented a change from the beginning to combined minimums for 2025 Nats.)So for better or worse, it would appear that after Pairs Final (where Hanns/Neudecker still did not meet SP minimum), USFS decided to make it possible (with whatever action was necessary) for them to qualify for Nats.
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Best wishes to Audrey and Balazs in their international debut together at CS Golden Spin of Zagreb this week! https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDFi5GGyibF/
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Golden Spin update - Chan/Howe won the silver with a 177.70 score; Shin/Nagy won the bronze with 170.17 - CTES was 87.40 - just MISSED the Worlds min of 88, but they are eligible for 4CCs.
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One final update to the USFS ISU Championships Selection Pool ahead of Nats - teams listed in red do not have the ISU CTES mins.
| Skater | Level | Age Eligible | ISU Min Score | 2024 U.S. Nats | GPF | GP/ JGP 1 | GP/ JGP 2 | GP/ JPG Highest | GP/ JGP Avg | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int 1 | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int 2 | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int Highest | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int Avg | Pairs Final (Top 2 in each Section JR/SR) | NQS Score (Top 2 in each Section JR/SR) | Non-USFS Funded Event | Prev Yr Final Number | Total |
| Chan, Emily/Howe, Spencer | S | Y | Y | 0.00 | 178.31 | 174.40 | 178.31 | 176.36 | 177.70 | 142.16 | 177.70 | 159.93 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 155.64 | 0 | 818.80 | |
| Cooke, Sydney/Kennedy, Matthew | S | Y | N | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 136.74 | 137.86 | 0.00 | 0 | 102.84 | |
| Digerness, Nica/Sadusky, Mark | S | Y | 4CCs | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 147.72 | 118.18 | 147.72 | 132.95 | 0.00 | 166.00 | 158.20 | 0 | 368.03 | |
| Efimova, Alisa/Mitrofanov, Misha | S | Y | Y | 0.00 | 191.51 | 171.92 | 191.51 | 181.72 | 188.88 | 178.03 | 188.88 | 183.46 | 0.00 | 188.88 | 0.00 | 2 | 870.22 | |
| Fitzpatrick, Linzy/Bearinger, Keyton | S | Y | 4CCs | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 134.86 | 107.89 | 134.86 | 121.37 | 0.00 | 134.86 | 151.61 | 0 | 335.41 | |
| Hanns, Evelyn Grace/Neudecker, Danny | S | Y | 4CCs | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 128.78 | 103.02 | 128.78 | 115.90 | 126.59 | 135.49 | 0.00 | 0 | 312.87 | |
| Kam, Ellie/O'Shea, Danny | S | Y | Y | 198.26 | 201.73 | 197.44 | 201.73 | 199.59 | 191.62 | 184.38 | 191.62 | 188.00 | 0.00 | 191.62 | 0.00 | 10 | 1626.95 | |
| Martins, Isabelle/Bedard, Ryan | S | Y | 4CCs | 0.00 | 140.63 | 112.50 | 140.63 | 126.57 | 126.64 | 101.31 | 126.64 | 113.98 | 0.00 | 141.52 | 0.00 | 0 | 581.50 | |
| McBeath, Katie/Parkman, Daniil | S | Y | Y | 0.00 | 168.08 | 159.92 | 168.08 | 164.00 | 173.37 | 138.70 | 173.37 | 156.03 | 0.00 | 173.37 | 0.00 | 0 | 748.84 | |
| Shin, Audrey/Nagy, Balasz | S | Y | 4CCs | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 170.21 | 136.17 | 170.21 | 153.19 | 0.00 | 157.59 | 0.00 | 0 | 324.50 | |
| Williams, Naomi/Lewer, Lachlan | S/J | Y | Y/Y | 0.00 | 153.34 | 122.67 | 153.34 | 138.01 | 145.94 | 116.75 | 145.94 | 131.35 | 0.00 | 148.57 | 155.46 | 8 | 843.50 |
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And the Jr-age eligible teams (teams in red do not have the ISU CTES mins) -
| Skater | Level | Age Eligible | ISU Min Score | 2024 U.S. Nats | GPF | GP/ JGP 1 | GP/ JGP 2 | GP/ JPG Highest | GP/ JGP Avg | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int 1 | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int 2 | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int Highest | CS/ Sr B/ Jr Int Avg | Pairs Final (Top 2 in each Section JR/SR) | NQS Score (Top 2 in each Section JR/SR) | Non-USFS Funded Event | Prev Yr Final Number | Total |
| Carpenter, Saya/Maravilla, Jon | J | Y | Y | 0.00 | 125.23 | 129.80 | 129.80 | 127.52 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 103.84 | 103.84 | 40.94 | 0.00 | 140.79 | 0 | 594.23 | |
| Flores, Olivia/Wang, Luke | J | Y | Y | 155.82 | 139.51 | 147.80 | 147.80 | 143.66 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 118.24 | 118.24 | 0.00 | 165.53 | 0.00 | 8 | 1200.08 | |
| Gottschalk, Graceann/Herbert, Sam | J | ? | N | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 117.92 | 102.20 | 0.00 | 0 | 84.51 | |
| Hansen, Elizabeth/Church, William | J | Y | Y | 0.00 | 125.46 | 132.44 | 132.44 | 128.95 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 105.95 | 105.95 | 137.31 | 132.27 | 0.00 | 0 | 613.88 | |
| Jarmoc, Sofia/Witkowski, Luke | J | Y | N | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 118.54 | 123.62 | 0.00 | 0 | 90.18 | |
| Kovar, Milada/McPike, Jared | J | Y | N | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 90.66 | 97.10 | 0.00 | 0 | 69.61 | |
| McDanold, Addyson/Felberbaum, Aaron | J | Y | Y | 0.00 | 121.82 | 97.46 | 121.82 | 109.64 | 105.19 | 84.15 | 105.19 | 94.67 | 127.73 | 113.48 | 134.72 | 0 | 625.11 | |
| McFarland, Mazie/Andjorin, Samir | J | ? | N | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 90.28 | 108.51 | 0.00 | 0 | 72.27 | |
| Moss, Reagan/Galbavy, Jakub | J | Y | Y | 0.00 | 127.16 | 122.18 | 127.16 | 124.67 | 126.87 | 101.50 | 126.87 | 114.18 | 128.60 | 145.48 | 127.34 | 0 | 691.63 | |
| Shapovalova, Taisiya/Griffin, Carter | J | Y | N | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 106.57 | 106.78 | 0.00 | 0 | 79.98 | |
| Williams, Naomi/Lewer, Lachlan | S/J | Y | Y/Y | 0.00 | 153.34 | 122.67 | 153.34 | 138.01 | 145.94 | 116.75 | 145.94 | 131.35 | 0.00 | 148.57 | 155.46 | 8 | 843.50 |
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Karen, can you explain where the CS/Sr B scores are coming from? I am not seeing the score 2 for Shin/Nagy, McBeath/Parkman and Martins/Bedard anywhere on their skatingscores list of scores.
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I just answered your question in the US Women's thread - the Selection document states that the 2nd GP/JGP and 2nd CS/Sr B/Jr Int'l column score is multiplied by .8 if the skater/team in question only has 1 event that fits that category.
The logic is applied to the following teams for the 2nd GP/JGP - Martins/Bedard, McDanold/Felberbaum, & Williams/Lewer; and it is applied to the following teams for the 2nd CS/Sr B/Jr In'tl - Chan/Howe, Digerness/Sadusky, Fitzpatrick/Bearinger, Hanns/Neudecker, Martins/Bedard, McBeath/Parkman, McDanold/Felberbaum, Moss/Galbavy, Shin/Nagy & Williams/Lewer.
ETA -
Going into Nats, we're looking at the following skaters in the Selection Pool for ISU Championships -
Worlds & 4CCs -
Top 5 based on the tables above - Kam/O'Shea, Efimova/Mitrofanov, Williams/Lewer, Chan/Howe, McBeath/Parkman
Top 5 at Nats - TBD
Top 10 at 2024 Worlds - n/a
2022 Olympian - n/a
Top 24 current Sr WS - Kam/O'Shea, Chan/Howe, Plazas/Fernandez
Jr Worlds -
Top 5 based on the tables above (excluding jr-age eligible seniors who do not have Jr Worlds CTES mins) - Flores/Wang, Williams/Lewer, Moss/Galbavy, McDanold/Felberbaum, Hansen/Church
Top 3 age-eligible Sr Nats - TBD
Top 3 age-eligible Jr Nats - TBD
Top 10 at 2024 Jr Worlds - Flores/Wang, Williams/Lewer
Top 24 current Jr WS - Flores/Wang, Williams/Lewer, Carpenter/Maravilla
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I want to tip my hat to Ellie Kam. Coming right along. She has a lot of natural gifts--the flexibility, posture, and lift positions. Whether she could get the throws, of course, was the big question. Not for the faint of heart, this discipline. But they're coming. And in the free this week she showed a lot of grit. It was great to see.
Also, the Stand By Me program really works, in my opinion. Well enough to make me ask how the entire dance field missed the ability to channel this particular vibe?
I want to tip my hat to Ellie Kam. Coming right along. She has a lot of natural gifts--the flexibility, posture, and lift positions. Whether she could get the throws, of course, was the big question. Not for the faint of heart, this discipline. But they're coming. And in the free this week she showed a lot of grit. It was great to see.
Also, the Stand By Me program really works, in my opinion. Well enough to make me ask how the entire dance field missed the ability to channel this particular vibe?
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Congratulations to Flores/Wang for their Silver Medal at the Junior Grand Prix Final!
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To recollect a bit, before the Grand Prix season some posters were saying that Chan/Howe might be the leaders going into Nationals, with the proviso that they're healthy. Okay The Grand Prix is done and Chan/Howe have been very inconsistent and they've still had ongoing health issues. I think with the progress Kam/O'Shea have shown, that Ellie and Danny are the top American team and favored to win Nationals again.But I have no idea what teams may make the podium, E/M are solid, but Audrey Shin & Balasz Nagy are improving quickly and McBeath/Parkman have a shot too.
But this is American pairs so anything can happen. Any thoughts or predictions anyone?
But this is American pairs so anything can happen. Any thoughts or predictions anyone?
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ShiNagy are decent but they're nowhere near competitive with KamOSh, EfiMit or ChanHowe. They lack a 3tw and their throws aren't very big. I haven't uploaded the FS from Golden Spin for the top 3 teams, but both ChanHowe and ShiNagy were messy. Here are my comments from the FS I made in the Golden Spin thread in KnC -
ChanHowe - SBS combo - she botched the 1st jump & didn't attempt the rest while he did - mess; and the solo SBS - I think he doubled... good 3tw to get back on track but then he was WILD with the release on the throw and she had no chance of landing it. Utter mess. They better get their shizzit together or they'll wind up behind ShiNagy. Hand down on the 2nd throw. Lifts are good. No idea where this will score. So much for the good progress they showed in the SP.
I know they plan on keeping this program for next season, but someone really needs to advise them to reconsider that plan. This program is just generic and bland.
ETA - this review is taking forever...
112.57 FS - 177.70 2nd overall. At least they didn't lose the FS to ShiNagy.
Make no mistake, ChanHowe were a hot effing mess in the FS and they STILL beat ShiNagy, which should tell you all you need to know about where they stack up, relatively speaking. I meant to post the links to their SPs earlier but forgot. Here they are -
Shin/Nagy - Golden Spin 2024 SP
Audrey Shin/Balasz Nagy USA - Golden Spin of Zagreb 2024 Pairs Short Program
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Chan/Howe - Golden Spin 2024 SP
Emily Chan/Spencer Akira Howe USA - Golden Spin of Zagreb 2024 Pairs Short Program
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ChanHowe's elements are MUCH stronger than ShiNagy - even with Emily falling on the SBS 3T in the SP, they're light years ahead of ShiNagy. Right now, US sr pairs break out into the following tiers -
Tier 1 - KamOSh, ChanHowe, EfiMit - slight edge to KamOSh who have demonstrated far more consistency this season than in the past - they're a lock for the Worlds team; race is for the 2nd spot between ChanHowe & EfiMit - it will come down to how both skate at Nats.
Tier 2 - McBPark, ShiNagy - both teams still have work to do, but, sure, one of them will make the podium, as pewter medalists.
Tier 3 - DigSad, WilLew, KoryChap, MarBed - I'd be surprised if any of these teams made the Top 5 at Nats
Tier 4 - FitzBear, HanNeu, CooKen - one of these teams will get lucky and call themselves Top 10 at 2025 US Nats.
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I really think Efi/Mit have the momentum now and better programs but Efi has struggled all her career with jumps. If E/F and C/H are very close at Nationals I wonder if the pair placing second would automatically go to Worlds.ShiNagy are decent but they're nowhere near competitive with KamOSh, EfiMit or ChanHowe. They lack a 3tw and their throws aren't very big. I haven't uploaded the FS from Golden Spin for the top 3 teams, but both ChanHowe and ShiNagy were messy. Here are my comments from the FS I made in the Golden Spin thread in KnC -
Make no mistake, ChanHowe were a hot effing mess in the FS and they STILL beat ShiNagy, which should tell you all you need to know about where they stack up, relatively speaking. I meant to post the links to their SPs earlier but forgot. Here they are -
Shin/Nagy - Golden Spin 2024 SP
Audrey Shin/Balasz Nagy USA - Golden Spin of Zagreb 2024 Pairs Short ProgramChan/Howe - Golden Spin 2024 SP
Emily Chan/Spencer Akira Howe USA - Golden Spin of Zagreb 2024 Pairs Short Program
ChanHowe's elements are MUCH stronger than ShiNagy - even with Emily falling on the SBS 3T in the SP, they're light years ahead of ShiNagy. Right now, US sr pairs break out into the following tiers -
Tier 1 - KamOSh, ChanHowe, EfiMit - slight edge to KamOSh who have demonstrated far more consistency this season than in the past - they're a lock for the Worlds team; race is for the 2nd spot between ChanHowe & EfiMit - it will come down to how both skate at Nats.
Tier 2 - McBPark, ShiNagy - both teams still have work to do, but, sure, one of them will make the podium, as pewter medalists.
Tier 3 - DigSad, WilLew, KoryChap, MarBed - I'd be surprised if any of these teams made the Top 5 at Nats
Tier 4 - FitzBear, HanNeu, CooKen - one of these teams will get lucky and call themselves Top 10 at 2025 US Nats.
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Yes, whomever places 2nd at Nats will get the spot. Alisa & Emily both have the same problem - struggles with their jumps. ChanHowe's SP score from Golden Spin is about .24 higher than EfiMit's SB, which they earned at Nebelhorn. Emily fell on the 3T this weekend, at Nebelhorn, Alisa put her hand down and half-tumbled out of the landing (from my real time pbp remarks in the KnC discussion). EfiMit have had two good FS this season - John Nicks & SkAm - in the 125-128 range, but they also had two poor ones with an average of 111. ChanHowe haven't put together a really decent FS yet this season - average for them is 115 (excluding Shanghai Trophy where they were really not at all ready for competition). It really will come down to who skates better in Wichita.
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Audrey Shin/Balazs Nagy's CTES in their international debut at Golden Spin (won bronze ) was 87.4 (Worlds CTES is 88) - as posted by Karen-W above (missed seeing it).
Nagy’s post & photos (Meagan Duhamel was with them in Zagreb - her birthday was on Dec. 8):
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) was 87.4 (Worlds CTES is 88) - as posted by Karen-W above (missed seeing it).Nagy’s post & photos (Meagan Duhamel was with them in Zagreb - her birthday was on Dec. 8):
Balázs Nagy on Instagram: "Proud of the team❤️ Golden Spin 🥉 Thank you guys so much and the happiest of birthdays to @meaganduhamel 🎂"
1,895 likes, 26 comments - nagybalu on December 8, 2024: "Proud of the team❤️ Golden Spin 🥉 Thank you guys so much and the happiest of birthdays to @meaganduhamel 🎂".
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