2022 Olympic FS Team Event delayed medal ceremony - updates

[coppertop1]

At this point, why should we trust any of them? They aren't beyond doping and exploiting a minor. How many times has Russia been caught doping?

 

[Vagabond]

At this point, why should we trust any of them? They aren't beyond doping and exploiting a minor. How many times has Russia been caught doping?

The minors are doping themselves, or at least some of them are. (See Post #716.) Which is not to say that they are doing it on their own.

 

[coppertop1]

The minors are doping themselves, or at least some of them are. (See Post #716.) Which is not to say that they are doing it on their own.

And it's a symptom of a much bigger problem.

 

[MacMadame]

The minors are doping themselves, or at least some of them are. (See Post #716.) Which is not to say that they are doing it on their own.

They rarely are doing it on their own. Think of the Nike Oregon Project in the US. The entire training center was involved because it came from the top. Individuals doping on their own are rare IME because it takes a village to dope without getting caught.

 

[Vagabond]

They rarely are doing it on their own. Think of the Nike Oregon Project in the US. The entire training center was involved because it came from the top. Individuals doping on their own are rare IME because it takes a village to dope without getting caught.

Judging by what Baranova said in her interview, I think a good deal of the diuretic use she described went on without any direct oversight from any adults, though some adult was probably the the supplier. I doubt that minors can get bisacodyl and furosemide over the counter in Russia.

The adults at the training center create the atmosphere where using these drugs seems the right thing to do and, quite likely, in part by seeing that other drugs are administered to their skaters and by turning a blind eye to whatever goes on without their direct involvement.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Are national ADA’s required to tell WADA every time they give a one-day suspension to minors or decide there were extenuating circumstances, like cafeteria employees, grandfathers who bake, and masseurs, that justified a pass?

 

[Marco]

Honestly? I can’t believe that any of them were clean. She just got caught.

That's an entirely different question. But as it was, since only she was found to have been doping, factually I said it isn't other team members' fault.

If we are arguing the merits of the decision to let Russia keep the bronze on the premise that the entire team or most of them were in fact doping (skillfully so as not to get caught), the discussion would have been moot.

 

[purple skates]

That's an entirely different question. But as it was, since only she was found to have been doping, factually I said it isn't other team members' fault.

If we are arguing the merits of the decision to let Russia keep the bronze on the premise that the entire team or most of them were in fact doping (skillfully so as not to get caught), the discussion would have been moot.

Well, if you are talking about the bronze medal, I think what happened is a travesty and the powers that be at the ISU twisted themselves into a pretzel to make sure Russia was not completely off the podium. I think it should have been Canada getting the bronze in Paris, but I have no vote so what I think doesn't matter.

 

[Winnipeg]

ITA re Canada getting the bronze. Why have rules if there are no consequences for breaking them?

 

[Sylvia]

There's a 4-page spread (article by Phil Hersh and many photos) in the Fall 2024 issue of USFS' SKATING magazine, starting here: https://online.flippingbook.com/view/791974542/12/

Team Japan will reunite with their silver medals in Tokyo at the NHK Trophy Gala Exhibition on November 10, 2024: https://x.com/NHKTrophyFigure/status/1853775085015798002

 

[Sylvia]

Figure skating team silver medal winners from the Beijing Olympics gather together [at the NHK Trophy gala], including Shoma Uno showing off his medal:

フィギュア北京五輪団体銀メンバー集結　宇野昌磨さんもメダル披露 | 毎日新聞

フィギュアスケートで2022年北京冬季オリンピック団体銀メダルのメンバー全員が10日、東京・国立代々木競技場に集結した。この日あったNHK杯のエキシビションの合間に登場し、今夏パリで受け取ったメダルをファンにお披露目。現地の授与式に参加できなかった宇野昌磨さんも登場し、ようやく全員で喜びを分かち合

mainichi.jp

Shoma’s speech:

Appearing in the same red costume that he wore for the team's short program (SP) "Oboe Concerto," Uno said, "It's taken two and a half years, but the medals have finally reached you all, and I believe this silver medal is the result of this team working together as one."
He also expressed his gratitude, saying, "I couldn't attend the award ceremony in Paris, but my teammates wrote "SHOMA" on their fingers, and I was happy that they didn't forget me and wrote it on my finger." Afterwards, all the members ran around the rink, receiving cheers from the crowd.

More photos: https://mainichi.jp/graphs/20241110/mpj/00m/050/115000f/20241110mpj00m050112000p

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855501804211233113

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855502113897676807

 

[Sylvia]

Awww, an emotional Wakaba spoke backstage after the special ceremony had concluded at the NHK Trophy Gala: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCLxjSUJ3kn/

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Shoma:

日本スケート連盟 on Instagram: "北京オリンピック団体戦 銀メダルお披露目後 #宇野昌磨 選手？の演技後？に お話を聞きました！ #ジャンプ跳んでたっけ？ #NHK杯フィギュア #NHKTrophy2024 #フィギュアスケート"

5,041 likes, 154 comments - skatingjapan on November 10, 2024: "北京オリンピック団体戦 銀メダルお披露目後 #宇野昌磨 選手？の演技後？に お話を聞きました！ #ジャンプ跳んでたっけ？ #NHK杯フィギュア #NHKTrophy2024 #フィギュアスケート".

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Misato and Tim:

日本スケート連盟 on Instagram: "北京オリンピック団体戦 銀メダルお披露目後の 小松原美里さん ティムコレトさんに お話を聞きました！ #NHK杯フィギュア #NHKTrophy2024 #フィギュアスケート"

1,031 likes, 7 comments - skatingjapan on November 10, 2024: "北京オリンピック団体戦 銀メダルお披露目後の 小松原美里さん ティムコレトさんに お話を聞きました！ #NHK杯フィギュア #NHKTrophy2024 #フィギュアスケート".

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[ice coverage]

On a positive note , USFS/Team USA held a celebration ceremony yesterday in San Jose, CA (after the Stars on Ice show) for the U.S. Olympic team figure skaters - here's what Karen Chen posted (photos #3-5): https://www.instagram.com/p/Cd6eqqGvQie/
"last night. these people. & mvp to whoever gave me napkins to wipe all my tears during the Order of Ikkos medal speeches for our beloved coaches. "

Nothing to do with delayed medal ceremony, but regarding U.S. medalists at 2022 Olympics:

In case anyone else would be interested, the lists of Order of Ikkos recipients for 2022 Beijing fiiiinally have been added to the USOPC website (just within the last week or so).
"The USOPC’s Order of Ikkos allows for each U.S. Olympic or Paralympic medalist to acknowledge a coach for their leadership in achieving world-class success."
Per social media in May 2022 (such as Karen Chen's old post from back then), 2022 Order of Ikkos medals for figure skating apparently were presented at a private celebration held in San Jose (scheduled to coincide with SOI). (Presumably pandemic restrictions prevented a comparable gathering in Beijing.)

Figure Skating Men's Individual: Nathan Chen > Rafael Arutyunyan

Figure Skating Team Event:

Nathan Chen > Hetty Wang​

Karen Chen > Tammy Gambill​

Vincent Zhou > Drew Meekins​

Madison Hubbell > Patrice Lauzon​

Zachary Donohue > Sam Chouinard​

Madison Chock > Marie-France Dubreuil​

Evan Bates > Steffany Hanlen​

Alexa Knierim > Christopher Knierim​

Brandon Frazier > Jenny Sand [as her name appears on USOPC list]​

(Although my post is not quite on topic, I was not able to think of a more suitable thread.)

ETA:​

I have edited in quoting of Sylvia's May 2022 post about Karen's Instagram, which I now see was on page 2 of this thread.​

 

[Debbie S]

Interesting that Nathan designated his mom. That's sweet, but is she a coach?

 

[her grace]

Interesting that Nathan designated his mom. That's sweet, but is she a coach?

According to his book, she was very involved in his day-to-day training and strategy.

 

[Debbie S]

According to his book, she was very involved in his day-to-day training and strategy.

Yes, I know, I read his book. That's kind of my point.

But if the recognition is supposed to be an actual coach.....

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Interesting that Nathan designated his mom. That's sweet, but is she a coach?

He also picked Raf for his individual gold.

 

[Debbie S]

He also picked Raf for his individual gold.

Yes, I see that above.

 

[ice coverage]

Interesting that Nathan designated his mom. That's sweet, but is she a coach?

In practice, some other athletes also have gone outside the box and designated a person who is not "officially" a coach, but who is involved and whom the athlete wants to recognize with the honor.
For 2018 team event bronze, Nathan designated Raf for Ikkos, and Adam designated his mother Kelly Rippon.

It has happened in other Olympic sports as well.
For example, in 2018, seventeen-year-old Chloe Kim's choice for Ikkos was fellow Team USA snowboarder Kelly Clark. Clark placed fourth in women's halfpipe at 2018 Games, after earning one gold and two bronze at previous Olympics.
It apparently was only the first or second time that an athlete designated another athlete.
Commenting in Feb 2018 about Kim and Ikkos, Clark said: "You usually give it to the person who is invested and inspired you and believed in you the most...I think it just speaks to the kind of level of our friendship and authenticity...I think it speaks to snowboarding and what our sport is about. There is a real culture and real friendship and camaraderie that goes along with our competition...you don't always see it in the world of professional sports but I was overwhelmed and thankful for that award and we joked after: 'I didn't think I was getting a medal tonight, but I ended up getting one anyway.'"
(When Clark medaled at previous Olympics, she designated her coaches for Ikkos.)