Gymnastics News #23: Defying Gravity

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Happy for all the medalists, but it really is great to see 26 and 24 year old women succeeding in a sport so often dominated by younger athletes. And happy for Simone to come back strong after what had to be a disappointing experience in Tokyo. I hope this experience is rewarding and positive for her.
 
I haven't usually watched the Peacock streams so I don't typically see the medal ceremonies. Do they always make the other top finishers just stand there watching the other athletes get their medals. It is nice they get acknowledged and get a round of applause, but having them stand there for the ceremony is sort of odd, especially if they don't even get a mascot.
 
Simone is so funny in her interview, first saying she had something in her eye so it was a combination of winning again plus that causing her to cry ;)

And she said she doesn't know the code of points well at all (she does 'what her coaches tell her to do') so she wasn't sure if she needed to add another leap or not, but she was worried she'd run out of time and then she had no idea how it would be scored.
 
Garden Kitty said:
I haven't usually watched the Peacock streams so I don't typically see the medal ceremonies. Do they always make the other top finishers just stand there watching the other athletes get their medals. It is nice they get acknowledged and get a round of applause, but having them stand there for the ceremony is sort of odd, especially if they don't even get a mascot.
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They have been doing that. I think it's nice that they get acknowledged for their own accomplishments, which are impressive.

Peacock just cut of their stream in the middle of the interview with Shilese. Now that is rude. :lol:
 
Edit: :wall: Ugh. Wrong thread. Sorry to post depressing stuff in a fun gymnastics thread.
 
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Scoring in gymnastics is really weird. By that I mean that a reasonable start value on floor is 5.0. The gymnasts do four tumbling runs and several dance runs. So that means that each tumbling run is worth, like, 1.0 and all the dance together is worth 1.0. Hard to fathom this compared to skating.
 
I did a full on clutch pearls gasp at Simone's floor trip and then just laughed at the face she pulled and her little girl march to the corner to wait for the music! :rofl: You have to love her absolute honesty in the moment. Anyway congrats to Simone on her 6th AA gold and 21st (!!!!!!!!!) world title!
 
just tuned in said:
Scoring in gymnastics is really weird. By that I mean that a reasonable start value on floor is 5.0. The gymnasts do four tumbling runs and several dance runs. So that means that each tumbling run is worth, like, 1.0 and all the dance together is worth 1.0. Hard to fathom this compared to skating.
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Unless you were a Dutch gymnast circa 2013-2016 where your dance was like 4.0 and their tumbling was like 1.0, ;).

One good thing about the open-ended judging system (well, theoretically) is that although you get bonuses for dismounting with a D-level acro skill, you really can build up your D-score with dance elements and non-acro work.

From what I remember, to calculate the D-score, the 8 most difficult skills are counted in WAG and 10 for men. Adding those up will provide the base value for the D-score. Then you add the composition requirements, which should give another 2.0 or 2.5 to every gymnast who fulfills all the requirements. Then you get CV or connection values for element combinations (ranging from 0.1-0.3 for each counted connection); this is how most of the A-C level skills get counted in a sea of D or above skills being performed).
 
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And she said she doesn't know the code of points well at all (she does 'what her coaches tell her to do') so she wasn't sure if she needed to add another leap or not, but she was worried she'd run out of time and then she had no idea how it would be scored.
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Thankfully it wasn't on her dance pass otherwise she'd have lost a special requirement. But really the gymnast needs to know what the requirements are and have a plan B (Biles didn't have a plan B on beam at the selection camp day one and then didn't have a dance series in her routine). Also luckily Biles had done 3 dance value parts prior to the stumble, otherwise she would have only been able to count 7 value parts instead of 8 (you need a minimum of 3 acro and 3 dance elements on beam and floor). So it only cost her 0.2 in D score (counting a B instead of a D). And she probably had the deduction of an empty run aka attempt without performance of an element for that stumble (0.3).
 
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Roethlisberger is going in on the judges for taking too long to get scores (in this case, for Ellie Black) as Andrade stands on the sideline and waits to do her routine. He said by the third time of seeing the same routine (this week), they should be able to get scores in faster by now. Of course, it doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen each time nor are the same connections/elements going to be done.
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Sigh I really wish the commentators understood the process. My understanding is that if the superior jury has a D score that is 0.5 or more different from what the D1 enters, the score is blocked. There is a LOT to discuss about Black's routine today. Based on the D score they gave her, it appears they did not give value to the "Black" element (due to lack of turn as I believe she did grasp before falling). This means no value at all for the element because of the Tkatchev from the same root rule. And they probably only gave the dismount a C today. I'm not excusing the delay necessarily but that is not an easy routine to judge and there was a lot to talk about. I mean she added the Jaeger and Pak to ensure she had a forward grip and a high-low flight element and those two skills are not even in her routine anymore! They should put this routine on the next brevet exam and see how varied the answers are ?
 
Yeah, if we think figure skating judging is exact, then we haven’t seen gymnastics judging. They’ve been harsh on incomplete rotations on dance skills, pirouettes, turns, positions, splits, etc. forever. Ask Cheng Fei in 2004 and almost all of Al Fong’s athletes (think about why Terin Humphrey would score like 9.3-9.4 at best internationally for on her FX despite difficult tumbling).
 
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