Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

[kwanfan1818]

He must be sued,” [Tatiana] Tarasova said.

I guess she learned something from living in the US.

 

[caseyedwards]

It was the Russian team, quite literally it says so in their name.

Wikipedia too hard to find for you, or have you finally moved to Russia?

That’s not true. Why couldn’t stolbova go? Why couldn’t bukin go? He made a statement that is completely flawed! Russia has been banned from many Olympics. 2016? 2021? That was not Russia team at all. 2018 and 2022 was not Russia

 

[Sylvia]

More from RIA Novosti (calling everyone they can think of for a comment! ):

Alexander Lakernik:
“Every person can say what he wants. He has the right to express his opinion. Who can punish him for this? I’m nobody now. Let these words be on his conscience,” Lakernik said.
“But I don’t think at all that there is doping in figure skating. There are misunderstandings, because doping in this sport does not help anything,” he added.

Natalia Bestemianova:
“Where did he get this information? He should be sued for this. How can you say something like that to the whole world? But does anyone even listen to him? Who is he anyway? I can’t even really remember what this man looks like. I believe that we should approach it this way: the dogs bark, the caravan moves on,” Bestemyanova said.

Former Russian Sports Minister Pavel Kolobkov:
"This is a lie, stupidity, deception and narrow-mindedness of this skater. That's all I can say. He made himself look like a fool. When I worked, I know that despite the fact that RUSADA was not restored, everyone still admitted that their technical RUSADA fulfills its function in full, there were no questions in terms of work. Moreover, so that this American figure skater knew that representatives of other countries also worked for us, came and checked, samples were sent abroad. I don’t understand what is the basis for his self-confident stupidity. This is the usual narrow-mindedness, narrow-mindedness and unwillingness to understand,” Kolobkov said.

 

[Karen-W]

And, right on cue! :

Machine translated via RIA Novosti today:

“Bastard. Zhou is a good skater, it’s just that they are all programmed that the Russians are enemies, so they will say anything,” said Zhulin.

“How does he know? Was he really here, did he live here? What is he saying? He must be held accountable for these words! He must be sued,” [Tatiana] Tarasova said.

They're just pissed that Vincent had the nerve to say what we've all thought for a long time - the doping in Russian figure skating isn't/wasn't limited to Valieva.

Must be something in that Bay Area water, because Polina Edmunds has said the same as Vincent - that there is doping in Russian figure skating and it's essentially an open secret.

 

[caseyedwards]

It was the Russian team, quite literally it says so in their name.

Wikipedia too hard to find for you, or have you finally moved to Russia?

Wiki proves Russia team wasn’t at past 4 Olympics

 

[On My Own]

They're just pissed that Vincent had the nerve to say what we've all thought for a long time - the doping in Russian figure skating isn't/wasn't limited to Valieva.

Wasn't there like a Sasha Cohen interview that when she was training in the same rink as Yagudin with TAT as their mutual coach, he basically told her that Russian skaters doped? lol

 

[kwanfan1818]

The entire fallout from Sochi, including skaters who did not receive invitations in 2018 and having to send samples to labs abroad, must prove that no doping ever happened in Russia.

 

[On My Own]

 

[airgelaal]

I guess she learned something from living in the US.

But it will be difficult, since russia has withdrawn from all serious international courts
Although there is still a russian court

 

[caseyedwards]

The entire fallout from Sochi, including skaters who did not receive invitations in 2018 and having to send samples to labs abroad, must prove that no doping ever happened in Russia.

Waiting for proof about stolbiva and bukin

 

[Karen-W]

Wiki proves Russia team wasn’t at past 4 Olympics

No, Wiki proves that the Russian FLAG and National Anthem weren't allowed at the last 4 Olympics. Athletes from Russia all walked in together during the Parade of Nations, wore the same kit, and were not clumped together like Refugee athletes from various nations. If the IOC really wanted to punish Russia, they'd have given them NO special treatment that allowed them to compete under the OAR (Olympic Athletes from Russia) or ROC (Russian Olympic Committee) designation.

You're being a pedantic troll.

 

[Sylvia]

Editorial by Andrey Simonenko, Correspondent for RIA Novosti Sport:

Шариков на коньках. Заявление американского фигуриста — глупость и подлость

За день до начала слушаний в Спортивном арбитражном суде (CAS) по делу российской фигуристки Камилы Валиевой ее коллега по профессии из США Винсент Чжоу... РИА Новости Спорт, 25.09.2023

rsport.ria.ru

Machine translated excerpt from the end:

Vincent, according to open sources, studies at Brown University in Rhode Island. And a more correct version would be that this is not illiteracy (although it cannot be ruled out), but meanness. It was not possible to penetrate the hearings in the case of the Russian figure skater and put pressure on the judges live (and with such powerful theses they could have started chanting slogans there) - so let’s put pressure with such deceitful and saturated hatred towards our own, even if they are on the other side of the ocean, to fellow members of the “family,” as the International Skating Union (ISU) calls its community , publication. And we will release it, of course, on the eve of the start of the trial in Lausanne. Let's create the background.

I would like to believe that CAS arbitrators, who have seen everything in their time, will not fall for such a cheap trick. The public, of course, can, especially those who do not know the topic, but follow only the headlines. But she will figure it out eventually. And Vincent is wasting his karma in vain - there are so many examples in life when it doesn’t end well.

 

[On My Own]

Wiki proves Russia team wasn’t at past 4 Olympics

I'm sure your words hold the greatest value to everyone in the world.

 

[caseyedwards]

No, Wiki proves that the Russian FLAG and National Anthem weren't allowed at the last 4 Olympics. Athletes from Russia all walked in together during the Parade of Nations, wore the same kit, and were not clumped together like Refugee athletes from various nations. If the IOC really wanted to punish Russia, they'd have given them NO special treatment that allowed them to compete under the OAR (Olympic Athletes from Russia) or ROC (Russian Olympic Committee) designation.

You're being a pedantic troll.

No I am being accurate. A team is its flag and anthem.

 

[caseyedwards]

I'm sure your words hold the greatest value to everyone in the world.

They do and I’m glad

 

[On My Own]

No I am being accurate. A team is its flag and anthem.

They do and I’m glad

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[ChelleC]

Wiki proves Russia team wasn’t at past 4 Olympics

So are you trying to say that the Russian team was not in Rio either?

 

[caseyedwards]

So are you trying to say that the Russian team was not in Rio either?

It most certainly wasn’t! Because of the iaaf banning all but one of its track and field people

 

[ChelleC]

It most certainly wasn’t! Because of the iaaf banning all but one of its track and field people

Wrong.

Video of the Russia team in the opening ceremonies.

Rio Opening Ceremony

Clearly shot by a Russian athlete.

Artistic gymnastics results from Rio


Oh look at the Russian Federation listed as Silver Medalists in the Women's Team Event.

Look at how Aliya Mustafina is listed as Gold Medalist on Bars reprenting the Russian Federation.

Just because the Track and Field athletes were not allowed to compete due to...wait for it...doping in those events, does not mean the ENTIRE Russian team was banned, and they had the flag and anthem there too.

Because Russia did not clean up their act between 2016 and 2018 then they were not allowed to compete under their flag and with their anthem in 2018.

 

[MacMadame]

“How does he know? Was he really here, did he live here? What is he saying? He must be held accountable for these words! He must be sued,” [Tatiana] Tarasova said.

Good luck with that, Tarasova.

These Russian athletes & coaches are sure in a frenzy about a statement that condemns the process and organizations (i.e., CAS). Makes you wonder what they are so afraid of that they have to resort to personal insults.

 

[caseyedwards]

Wrong.

Video of the Russia team in the opening ceremonies.

Rio Opening Ceremony

Clearly shot by a Russian athlete.

Artistic gymnastics results from Rio


Oh look at the Russian Federation listed as Silver Medalists in the Women's Team Event.

Look at how Aliya Mustafina is listed as Gold Medalist on Bars reprenting the Russian Federation.

Just because the Track and Field athletes were not allowed to compete due to...wait for it...doping in those events, does not mean the ENTIRE Russian team was banned, and they had the flag and anthem there too.

Because Russia did not clean up their act between 2016 and 2018 then they were not allowed to compete under their flag and with their anthem in 2018.

That’s because it’s being demanded of Russia to end all state sponsorship of sports. That’s not happening and is likely never to happen so Russia isn’t likely to ever “get its act together!” State sponsorship of sports is very Common but because they say there is state sponsored doping along with state sponsorship of sports Russia has to end all government involvement, direct funding .

 

[Mafke]

What value do russian athletes bring that they are tolerated at all?

Proven cheaters..... athletics is better off without them.

 

[PRlady]

No I am being accurate. A team is its flag and anthem.

Oh my god.

And these Russians fall into the trap every damn time. The more they protest, the bigger the story gets. Stupid fools.

 

[Karen-W]

That’s because it’s being demanded of Russia to end all state sponsorship of sports. That’s not happening and is likely never to happen so Russia isn’t likely to ever “get its act together!” State sponsorship of sports is very Common but because they say there is state sponsored doping along with state sponsorship of sports Russia has to end all government involvement, direct funding .

Strange because so many other countries seem to manage just fine without state sponsorship of sports on the scale that you find in Russia. Last time I checked, Australia comes by all its swimming medals honestly and without massive government funding, just to give an example.

 

[Wyliefan]

Article (gifted) by Les Carpenter in the Washington Post (thanks to @Sylvia for spotting it):

"Kamila Valieva goes to court while U.S. skaters seethe without medals"​

https://wapo.st/3LCitR3

Excerpt:

The Valieva saga is the latest of a series of high-profile doping cases involving Russia, the biggest of which was a state-sponsored doping program at the 2014 Sochi Olympics. WADA gave Russia a four-year suspension for the Sochi program, a punishment that CAS reduced to two years. That ban, which meant Russia could not use its country name or flag at international events, ended last December.

But WADA maintains that Russia is still noncompliant. Last Friday the agency’s executive board placed a new set of sanctions on Russia because Russia’s government has not implemented the WADA code into its legal system, something WADA now demands of all countries. While not as severe as the previous restrictions, WADA’s new edict prohibits Russia from hosting international events or displaying its flag at Olympics or Paralympics until the code is adopted.

For now, many of the new sanctions are moot because Russia and Belarus have not received invitations to participate in the Paris 2024 Olympics and Paralympics, a consequence of the IOC’s condemnation of the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, though some Russian athletes may be allowed to compete as neutrals in the Paris Olympics.

 

[On My Own]

Stupid fools.

You know any smart ones?

 

[Willin]

I'm not a lawyer, but if your only defense is "you're mean" and "we'll sue you!" I don't think you have a very strong case.

 

[VGThuy]

Got to love how all the responses to Vincent’s statement have been so “measured”, “rational”, and stayed on the issue and didn’t insult him personally, .

With all their defenses of the system, what did they say all the previous times the system did punish Russia and what will they say if CAS rules in a way that awards what the organizations petitioning are seeking by punishing Valieva and thus resulting in Russia not winning the team gold medal in the team event?

I remember prior to the team event, one Russian womens fan here suggested that the Russian Fed should choose not to have Valieva compete in the TE and, instead, split the ladies slots for the TE between Shcherbakova and Trusova so all three Russian women could be gold medalists since it was such a foregone conclusion that Valieva was going to win the women’s individual event. I always think about what if they had done that instead… of course, this whole thing has become much bigger than the team event title/medals… it’s really about the bigger issue that had been upsetting non-Russian athletes increasingly after every Olympics in the past decade or so, but one that Thomas Bach had been ignoring in his appeasement policy with the hopes that this growing issue wasn’t going to blow up.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Well you can sue someone for anything as long as you can find a lawyer willing to waste your money. So I guess they could spend a lot of money trying to sue someone for saying true things they don’t like, but I doubt it would do them much good.

 

[Karen-W]

Got to love how all the responses to Vincent’s statement have been so “measured”, “rational”, and stayed on the issue and didn’t insult him personally, .

With all their defenses of the system, what did they say all the previous times the system did punish Russia and what will they say if CAS rules in a way that awards what the organizations petitioning are seeking by punishing Valieva and thus resulting in Russia not winning the team gold medal in the team event?

I remember prior to the team event, one Russian womens fan here suggested that the Russian Fed should choose not to have Valieva compete in the TE and, instead, split the ladies slots for the TE between Shcherbakova and Trusova so all three Russian women could be gold medalists since it was such a foregone conclusion that Valieva was going to win the women’s individual event. I always think about what if they had done that instead… of course, this whole thing has become much bigger than the team event title/medals… it’s really about the bigger issue that had been upsetting non-Russian athletes increasingly after every Olympics in the past decade or so, but one that Thomas Bach had been ignoring in his appeasement policy with the hopes that this growing issue wasn’t going to blow up.

Oh, I wouldn't call myself a "Russian womens fan" but I certainly thought that's what the Russian fed should have done. That would have rewarded all of the Worlds medalists from 2021 and gotten them an Olympic gold medal and still given Valieva her gold too. Thing is, had that happened, Valieva's positive test would have come back but there would have been 5-7 days for RUSADA to provisionally suspend her for 1 day under the "protected persons" clause and no one would have been the wiser when she competed in the Women's event and won.