The smiley is soShe doesn't dispute that she was doped, but she did try to pin the blame onrather than her coach.
I strongly suspect that even if she didn't understand how implausible her story was a year ago, she does now. Not that she's going to say so.
I thought about that too and don't have an answer. A few things to think about though:And who here has argued that those around her shouldn't be held responsible?
But who exactly should be responsible? Yes, it's easy to assume it was all Tutberidze's/the Doctor's doing, but a fact that keeps being left out of this whole thing is that skaters can be tested randomly at at any time during the year, not just during competitions. So if one were to believe Tutberidze had an entire schedule down and accidentally mis-dosed or overdosed Kamila too close to Nationals, that still doesn't explain why other skaters in her camp/on the Russian team have (except for a few cases) never tested positive any other time. [BTW- I don't know how often, if at all, they actually were tested but it still remains a possibility]
No one knows what Kamila's 24/7 schedule was, and it could very well be that her parents (or grandpa..) thought they had the secret to her success. Or it could be Tutberidze and she's managed to somehow get several of her previous students to trash her without saying a word about doping. I know she herself has talked about it in the past. But if one were to think this was a state-sponsored, across the board advantage, I'd ask you to sit through any mens free skate in recent history and explain why most of them crawl through their sloppy programs after 2 minutes
story. And you are right, the Russian men have always been 
so it is more likely that this is a Team Eteri formula more so than a Russian formula. T&M somehow finally got it together for once after switching to Team Eteri.
Some of this stuff is on record. Here is what I remember
It depends. A Russian athlete living somewhere else isn't going to have someone from RUSADA fly out to test them. It will be someone local. But in Russia, it's RUSADA as far as I know. I say that because in the US, it's someone from USADA.
Oh, they are watched. There are even people whose job it is to watch in competitions. The failed test was taken at Russian Nationals so she was watched.
Don't know if an adult is present. But minor or not, someone watches and no one else is supposed to touch the sample but the athlete and the person collecting the sample.
Russia lost the right to use its own labs. They have to send samples to WADA-approved labs. Valieva's sample was tested by a Swiss lab.
Very. Well, unless you are Lance Armstrong. But Valieva got tested at a competition so her test wasn't random which is part of why her getting caught is surprising. Something went wrong there as her team knew exactly when the test would happen and so should have been able to keep her from testing positive.
It depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the size of the athlete. However, athletes are not notified of an upcoming test. The tester just shows up whenever and goes to wherever the athlete has said they will be at that day and time.
No. That's why WADA bans drugs that aren't PEDs but can mask a PED. Also, just because there is no way to speed things up significantly, doesn't mean WADA is always right about how long it takes. That's how all those athletes took Meldonium in Dec and got caught in Jan when it became banned even though they had plenty of notice. Experts thought it washed out faster than it does.
When Valieva got caught but her name wasn't public knowledge yet, at least one Russian coach said all the Russian coaches were in a panic wondering if it was one of their students. This implies doping is pretty common in Russian skating. The fact that their Men's program isn't producing world beaters shows that PEDs can't perform miracles.And you are right, the Russian men have always been
Colour me confused.CAS registers the appeals filed by RUSADA, ISU and WADA against the decision issued by the RUSADA Disciplinary Anti-Doping Commission dated 14 December 2022 concerning the Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva
And don't forget Elizabet Tursynbaeva rise once she switched to Eteri, her World silver????I thought about that too and don't have an answer. A few things to think about though:
- When they are randomly tested (outside of competition), are the samples collected by Russian officials or international officials?
- How loose is the testing? Could a skater simply pour some clean urine that she had hidden in her pocket into the tube while the official looked away? I doubt the officials had the right to look directly at the skaters while they pee? Especially for minors?
- Does an adult have to be present for testing of a minor? Could that adult assist in any way?
- Are the samples always tested in Russian labs or international labs? Who are these labs sponsored / funded by?
- How confidential is the random testing schedule?
- How quickly can someone rinse out or neutralize traces of dosage from a skater's body once they are notified of an upcoming random test?
- Is it possible that someone got hold of something that can effectively rinse out / neutralize the dose much quicker than WADA can acknowledge? Whether for the skater to drink or to be dropped directly into the sample?
Kamila was winning competitions left and right for about two / three years at that point, I doubt anyone would purposely dope her hoping she would't get tested. My feeling is it is more likely that they are doping her knowing she can escape a positive test through whatever means. I know it's unfair to think that without actual proof but I just don't buy the
Just my guess.
You mean Elizabet Tursynbaeva, not the now deceased Queen or her California-born great-granddaughter, right?
I am
at the idea of HMQ working with Tutberidze.
The bigger question is-- why is a 12 year old the best in the world at anything? It's like skating skills in figure skating. Kids who are 15 or 16 have earned the same scores as say, Jason Brown. It puzzles me why this happens.
Did you watch the competition? If you had, you would know why she won. She was that much better than the other entrants.
So it took them a threat of a possible 4 year ban to have this epiphany? It just looks like an absolute mess.I interpret this as a face-saving move from RUSADA vis-a-vis international sports bodies, for purposes of future viability? They’re trying to maintain some shred of credibility internationally, while allowing the Russian anti-drug disciplinary committee to shoulder the blame for not sanctioning Valieva. That’s a possible theory, anyway.
<strong>The Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) has appealed the decision of the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee (DAK RUSADA) to find Kamila Valieva not guilty of a doping violation.</strong>
The Russian Anti-Doping Agency has appealed to CAS the decision of the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee to find Kamila Valieva not guilty of a doping violation.fs-gossips.com
What does it say about the sport if a twelve-year-old can be the best in the world?
So when Michelle Kwan had her breakthrough at 15, you don’t think she should’ve scored as she did or won Worlds (including her 6.0s as a comparison to this system)? See below, I expand more on it.
It means that there’s a very talented person, probably once in a generation, at that set of skills. It’s not a sport being dominated by pre-teens otherwise.
IIRC it was in Skateboarding and a sport new to the Olympics. I expect the average age to increase as people start seeing it as a sport where it becomes part of the normal competition track. I think the older ones were already in the current path and may not have seen it as worth the effort.
IIRC, half of the Women's medalists in skateboarding in Tokyo were fourteen or younger, so your wording is artful, to say the least.
Pre-teens would be 12 or younger...
I'm not arguing that the age limits shouldn't be raised, at all. But every sports governing body is going to have different approaches and set different limits. I'm no expert on skateboarding and will definitely only watch it during the Olympics, so I don't know what the discussions are in that world.
WADA declared Russian labs to be non-compliant as early as 2015. The Moscow lab was reinstated in 2018 but WADA appealed that decision and I believe they won.
That older people aren't crazy enough to do that stuff??? I'm kidding mostly but Tony Hawk entered the sport pretty young and hung in way longer than most. It's definitely a young person's sport.
I don't follow the sport either but at the time I was intrigued by all these pre-teens at the Olympics so I looked some of it up.
I don't remember all the arguments at the time but there were definitely discussions about this and what it meant for the sport. I'm sure you remember some of these as well assuming you were on FSU at the time. I mean it's FSU after all.
Kwan competed in Junior in 1992. And according to what Frank later said, judges suggested she stay Junior for another year. Which is why she tested up to Senior while he was out of town.
I think what happened is that they (stupidly) thought the international community would accept the underage excuse since they accepted it (or at least were forced to accept it) at the Olympics.
Sort of the same statement with some revisions
I do remember an overwhelming response to Asada not being able to compete at the 2006 Olympics, which the ISU set itself up for when they allowed skaters 14+ to skate in internationals all year but keep the 15+ for ISU Championships. Many (I'm sure not all) people thought she should be able to compete.I don't remember all the arguments at the time but there were definitely discussions about this and what it meant for the sport. I'm sure you remember some of these as well assuming you were on FSU at the time. I mean it's FSU after all.
Oh my, the grapes are sour today.Sort of the same statement with some revisions
