No, that is not what happened. He was tested for a specific gene that can cause what happened to him and it was found. Plus all this happened in the US so there was no Russian cover-up.
I do. It requires its own gaslighting to be remotely credible.
Yes it was absolutely a tragedy but I think a fair question to ask if drugs were involved, given the history of doping in Russian athletics. Not that athletes in other countries don't but could drugs have been a factor. And whatever is "extensively in the media" may or may not be 100% truth.
Well, there hasn't been a lot of discussion about the Russian fauxGP except in the general Russian news thread (not even a KnC discussion thread about it at all). I think a lot of us are deliberately ignoring/avoiding watching any of that, so it's hard to form much of an opinion.
This is disgusting trash. Having so much hatred you call grinkov doper and try to rewrite his death as an indictment of current people. Stalinist
@Primorskaya did nothing of the sort. The second statement was about the general situation RIGHT NOW and had nothing to do with Grinkov.
I've watched the entire Russian series and he's full of it. The only two skaters who've had "problems" would be Valieva and Trusova who were both injured over the summer and both grew a lot as teenagers are wont to do. And, all teens go through a period of adjustment to their new bodies. All of them. Valieva is jumping her 3A and Trusova has started adding the quads back. Both have said there was no pressing need to rush and risk further injury since they aren't going to Worlds. The rest of the Russian women are doing fine. Some have had injuries and not competed thus far. Will they show up at Nationals? Who knows? But, those who were jumping 3As and quads last season are jumping them this season. . Scherbakova isn't competing this season (and probably won't come back because why should she??). Tuk's 3A looks stronger than ever. A whole bunch of juniors have 3As and quads just like the junior Japanese skaters. It's a little difficult to judge the junior women vs senior because a lot of the junior eligible skaters did the senior events. Pairs, men and dance are pretty much as they've always been. Aliev is having a fantastic season. Some skaters have said it's been a challenge to find motivation due to not being able to skate on the GP circuit and Worlds and I'm sure that's true. So, before taking Leese's word on anything, perhaps people should actually watch the skaters skate.
What do you consider to be "a whole bunch"? It's not that hard to review protocols. We can see who is attempting 3As and quads in the FS on the JGP as well as the SP/FS on the GP, and we can see who are attempting quads in the FS in both the JGP and GP...
Since you said you haven't watched any of the events, why don't you do so first. I don't gaslight anybody. Not my style. For someone who likes to claim how they aren't interested in the Russians, you and others who make that claim seem to be in this thread a lot. But, whatever. I don't care if you watch or not. They are what they are and people can see for themselves or they can ignore them. The Russians are skating just fine regardless of what Dave Lease might have to say to the contrary. The number of Russian women doing the ultra-C elements are pretty much the same as they've been the last 4 years or so. That's my point. Are ALL of them doing them? Of course not and that's never been the case. Some of them are Tutberidze's students, some are Plushenkos, and some are actually Davydov and Sokolovskyas and then there's Tuktamysheva. Pairs are pairs, dance is dance and the men are the men. The Russian girls start jumping 3As and quads before they get to juniors, something nobody had a problem with Alysa Liu or Rika Kihira doing or the current young Japanese girls. Do all of them keep the jumps as they get older, of course not and that's always been the situation. Since you're the resident research expert, if you want to know exactly which Russians are doing what, find out for yourself.
Yes, it affects Euros in particular because they didn't have a 25th woman make the FS like they did at the Olympics. Luckily for this season's GP - the #25 woman on the WS (Levito) got 2 GPs, and the #25 woman on the SB was another Russian (Sinitsyna), so no issues there, but it could have been a mess had the #25 on either list not gotten 2 GPs.
No, I asked YOU what you consider to be "a bunch." You're the one stating that all is just as it has been for the last 4 years with the Russian women and that the numbers are not significantly greater than... And I will quote you once again -
You are attempting to equalize the situation in Russia with the situation outside of Russia with regard to the number of skaters attempting the 3As and quads. That is an assertion that is, factually, incorrect. I've gone back and looked at the protocols from Russian, Japanese and US Nationals just from last season alone and the number of Russian women attempting those high-difficulty elements is on a scale that is so substantially larger than you see from fields of the same size (US - 18 women qualify for Nats) or substantially larger size (Japan - 30 women qualify for Nats) that it's not only laughable but illogical.
however they're obtaining whatever cocktail their team doctors have come up with. Zero shame in any of it.
It was CAS that said she should be allowed to compete in the singles competition, not IOC.
Scott did state in his autobiography that he was furious with CBS trying to paint Jan Hoffmann as the villainous "9th judge" ("a former East German" mind you! who broke the tie and thus deprived Nancy of her gold medal, and he refused to do the voice over explaining the results. Verne Lundquist had to do it.
But Sergei was 28, and his father was 52, so that seems like very different disease progressions to have the same causal factors. I also don't know of any doping program that would cause plaque build in an artery, so any regime he may have been on for training within the Soviet system seems unlikely. Based on what I've read about people in that age range it's not uncommon for a massive heart attack to be the first symptom because who at 28 thinks they would be susceptible, and has a stress test.
1) There is some imprecision in what is referred to as a "heart attack" by non-medical people. Especially in young and extremely fit people, sudden cardiac death is often the result of an arrhythmia rather than a coronary event. Several elite athletes including Fabrice Muamba and Christian Eriksen have experienced this on the field and survived only because of immediate medical intervention.
That makes sense, that heart problems are passed down genetically so yes that could have been a factor for Grinkov.
People here had issues/concerns with her technique - that it wouldn't last beyond puberty. Turns out, those concerns were accurate.
