Discussing Tuberidze's latest interview

[layman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vp9G55NZZI

Eteri confirms everything that we have ever suspected about her camp and their training methods.

 

[Willin]

Seriously some of the things she says here are just awful. Everything is blaming her skaters and insulting them - and doing so proudly. And she claims to be the responsible adult at her rink?

 

[angi]

Is there a translated version of the interview?

 

[layman]

Is there a translated version of the interview?

Parts of the Interview can be read here:

Eteri Tutberidze: “I’ll be honest, I have only one favorite – this is my daughter”

Parts of the big interview with Eteri Tutberidze which will be on air on Russian TV 25th December.

fs-gossips.com

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

This 'Fran' character editorializes and pontificates her loony viewpoints ad infinitum. I find it all rather exhausting and strongly caution citing her videos as a creditable source.

Withal,I am grateful this Eteri woman does not coach our American ladies. Regardless of her training methods,she has already bastardized ladies figure skating into monotonous gymnastics on ice.

-BB

 

[Frau Muller]

There’s more than one Eteri interview/special on Russia Channel One this week.

Channel One features Tutberidze in tonight’s edition of the nightly show Pust’ Govoriat (“Let’s Talk!”) (7:50PM New York time, until 9PM, with ad breaks). The show already aired in Russia a few hours ago & is already up on YouTube here (minus ads):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlsjv04H2LI

Also, Russia One is airing a separate 50-minute docu-interview on Tutberidze (Saturday evening, 5pm NY time, until 5:50pm): Eteri Tutberidze: Otkrovennyj razgovor (“Candid Talk” or “Candid Interview”).

After it airs in Russia, it will also likely appear on YouTube. Whoever sees it first, please post. (I’ll be watching on regular TV, as the US edition is in my Comcast cable line-up.)

 

[muffinplus]

Seriously some of the things she says here are just awful. Everything is blaming her skaters and insulting them - and doing so proudly. And she claims to be the responsible adult at her rink?

Where was she was insulting or blaming them in this interview though? Yes, she said she had kicked out Alina was lazy (but that's not really new, she has told that story before)...and she said Yulia got distracted by the media attention ( I don't think that's particularly insulting). The Evgenia weight comment was certainly bizarre ("she let go of her weight"?? ?,she was looking underweight in the Olympic year if anything)

 

[Willin]

@muffinplus there's translations posted elsewhere that go over more quotes. Included highlights:

-Evgenia gained weight intentionally, causing her to get injured and do poorly in 2018

-Alina is a Mama's girl, so Eteri banned her mom from being around until after the Olympics - which is why she didn't do as well in 2018-2019 when her mom came back

-Yulia got distracted by the media and that's why she lost (which isn't controversial per se, more her wording of it)

-Another skater could've been a champion, but she left because Eteri was too controlling of her weight/diet. Which of course Eteri thinks the skater is in the wrong for being concerned about Eteri's questionable diet advice

 

[muffinplus]

@muffinplus there's translations posted elsewhere that go over more quotes.

I mean... I watched it. But i'm just wondering what was specifically insulting or blaming in what she said about Zagitova or Lipnitskaya.

 

[Willin]

@muffinplus That Zagitova was lazy and lost lost focus when her family was around. No - it couldn't be injuries she had that season or the questionable technique Eteri taught her. No, can't be. Must be that her family is bad for her.

That Lipnitskaya failed because she was distracted by the media. Which, again, is fair - a lot of athletes get affected by media pressure. But that's not her fault - that's the fault of a story-hungry media machine and the weight of pressure. Not her being weak in any way.

 

[muffinplus]

@muffinplus there's translations posted elsewhere that go over more quotes. Included highlights:

-Evgenia gained weight intentionally, causing her to get injured and do poorly in 2018

That was questionable since she didn't look she gained any weight that season...

-Alina is a Mama's girl, so Eteri banned her mom from being around until after the Olympics - which is why she didn't do as well in 2018-2019 when her mom came back

"Banned her" isn't really accurate TBH. She said she had kicked her out and then accepted her when her grandma asked on the condition that her mother wasn't going to be living there with Alina.

-Yulia got distracted by the media and that's why she lost (which isn't controversial per se, more her wording of it)

OK, but that's not insulting/blaming.

-Another skater could've been a champion, but she left because Eteri was too controlling of her weight/diet. Which of course Eteri thinks the skater is in the wrong for being concerned about Eteri's questionable diet advice

It wasn't really said like this... literally it was "she ran away from training because Eteri took away her kotlety (meatballs)"

This is about Shelepen... I looked for an interview with her, she doesn't seem to have left because of diet. she says she left because they were arguing all the time

Шелепень рассказала, как ушла от Тутберидзе

Бывшая российская фигуриста Полина Шелепень рассказала подробности своего ухода из группы Этери Тутберидзе. РИА Новости Спорт, 06.02.2019

rsport.ria.ru

 

[muffinplus]

@muffinplus That Zagitova was lazy and lost lost focus when her family was around. No - it couldn't be injuries she had that season or the questionable technique Eteri taught her. No, can't be. Must be that her family is bad for her.

That Lipnitskaya failed because she was distracted by the media. Which, again, is fair - a lot of athletes get affected by media pressure. But that's not her fault - that's the fault of a story-hungry media machine and the weight of pressure. Not her being weak in any way.

No the "lazy" part was before she took her back. She did say she lost focus because of her mom specifically and became "mama's girl", but I don't see how she was blaming. She did say her grandma was good for her...

Ultimately , I do think Eteri sounds a bit narcisstic, but she didn't say anything especially "insulting " in this interview IMO. I've already read she had dragged her students through the mud in this interview and decided to watch it... those who already hate her will get lots of quotable material

 

[Bigbird]

No the "lazy" part was before she took her back. She did say she lost focus because of her mom specifically and became "mama's girl", but I don't see how she was blaming. She did say her grandma was good for her...

Ultimately , I do think Eteri sounds a bit narcisstic, but she didn't say anything especially "insulting " in this interview IMO. I've already read she had dragged her students through the mud in this interview and decided to watch it... those who already hate her will get lots of quotable material

She just doesn't have a filter. Her biases shine through. But from what I gather her views are not controversial by certain standards. Doesn't Zhulin's interviews have a similar aftertaste? There are very few Russian coaches with tact a few that come to mind are Urmanov and Moskvina? Due to the competition in Russia it appears to me that if skaters are not prepared to surrender their very soul to the sport they are considered unworthy, weak even. Nothing she says is particularly novel.

 

[Orm Irian]

It wasn't really said like this... literally it was "she ran away from training because Eteri took away her kotlety (meatballs)"

No, a coach with a history of producing athletes with eating disorders and related injuries telling a story about how she physically took food away from a minor athlete in training, causing that minor to run away/leave (depending on translation) doesn't say anything bad about the athlete. It says a lot that's good about the athlete: that at that point in time she was eating the kind of protein needed for muscle and bone development and had functioning self-protective instincts, for instance.

But it says a whole hell of a lot that's bad about the coach.

That's the point. The issue isn't Tutberidze once again pulling her well-worn schtick of bagging her ex-students in the media to make herself look good, it's what she's quite shamelessly revealing about herself and the way she treats the teenagers she's responsible for in the process of doing so.

She thinks that story makes her look good. That's why she told it in the first place.

She's wrong.

 

[muffinplus]

No, a coach with a history of producing athletes with eating disorders and related injuries telling a story about how she physically took food away from a minor athlete in training, causing that minor to run away/leave (depending on translation) doesn't say anything bad about the athlete. It says a lot that's good about the athlete: that at that point in time she was eating the kind of protein needed for muscle and bone development and had functioning self-protective instincts, for instance.

But it says a whole hell of a lot that's bad about the coach.

That's the point. The issue isn't Tutberidze once again pulling her well-worn schtick of bagging her ex-students in the media to make herself look good, it's what she's quite shamelessly revealing about herself and the way she treats the teenagers she's responsible for in the process of doing so.

She thinks that story makes her look good. That's why she told it in the first place.

She's wrong.

I don't know how you can infer she told it because "she thinks it makes her look good". She was just telling a story.

And, again, I asked where she was insluting/bagging anyone in the interview. She does have a tendency to come of across as "my way or the highway", however I don't see that she trashed or "blamed" anyone in this interview so egregiously as was described, based on these quotes

 

[bladesofgorey]

I personally don't care to get hung up on who/whether these coaches are insulting in public, it's kind of burying the lede, yeah? The lede being that every time this coaching team opens their mouths they outline frankly abusive training environments and interactions with their young impressionable students whose lives they have pretty much full control over.

 

[muffinplus]

I personally don't care to get hung up on who/whether these coaches are insulting in public, it's kind of burying the lede, yeah? The lede being that every time this coaching team opens their mouths they outline frankly abusive training environments and interactions with their young impressionable students whose lives they have pretty much full control over.

Abusive is Irina Viner.. now that woman is definitely abusive. Who I don't thnk Eteri is nowhere near the level of (based on what we have seen at least)

 

[skatfan]

I don't know how you can infer she told it because "she thinks it makes her look good". She was just telling a story.

And, again, I asked where she was insluting/bagging anyone in the interview. She does have a tendency to come of across as "my way or the highway", however I don't see that she trashed or "blamed" anyone in this interview so egregiously as was described, based on these quotes

What I don’t hear anywhere is where she takes responsibility for anything problems her athletes have had. None. Instead she shifts all of it onto her athletes. Not professional at all. She was the one paid and the adult.

 

[bladesofgorey]

Abusive is Irina Viner.. now that woman is definitely abusive. Who I don't thnk Eteri is nowhere near the level of (based on what we have seen at least)

I didn't realize that abuse is graded on a sliding scale and isn't really abusive if it falls slightly outside the gold standard of abuse.

 

[muffinplus]

What I don’t hear anywhere is where she takes responsibility for anything problems her athletes have had. None. Instead she shifts all of it onto her athletes. Not professional at all. She was the one paid and the adult.

She does seems to think "I'm right, and the others are wrong". But at the same time, this is not quite the same as "dragging students through the mud"

 

[skatfan]

She does seems to think "I'm right, and the others are wrong". But at the same time, this is not quite the same as "dragging students through the mud"

I never said that and you’ve repeatedly made that argument already in this thread. Don’t you have a life?

 

[muffinplus]

I never said that and you’ve repeatedly made that argument already in this thread. Don’t you have a life?

I never said you did... I'm just saying it's not the same. Do you need to be rude?

 

[skatfan]

I never said you did... I'm just saying it's not the same. Do you need to be rude?

And I never said it was the same. And with that I am out of replying to you further before I really am rude.

off to find that ignore feature

 

[muffinplus]

And I never said it was the same. And with that I am out of replying to you further before I really am rude.

off to find that ignore feature

Enjoy. Don't know why you need to throw a temper tantrum , when I was not attributing anything I said to you personally.

 

[TAHbKA]

Wow, she used half of the interview to smear Medvedeva.

 

[mjb52]

I don't get it. I like her skaters so much and I think there are definitely people who are eager to see the worst in her. At the same time, she doesn't make it that hard when she acts like this. You can be interesting without being harsh or going out of your way to be unkind to the people who have made you so successful.

 

[Vagabond]

This 'Fran' character editorializes and pontificates her loony viewpoints ad infinitum.

 

[Bigbird]

Look where things reach now. And we not even reach page 2.

 

[Gris]

The classic excuses and whataboutism are on display once again.

 

[Wyliefan]

I like her skaters too. And that's exactly why I want better for them.