From Russia With Love [#40]: Summer 2021 & into the Olympic season

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It's weird that a country with Russia's incredible pairs tradition doesn't have more options for pairs teams in terms of coaching. I know this is blasphemous... sorry guys... but I wonder if B/K need a different coach. I looooooove Moskvina but she is of a different generation and I wonder if she is using a template that has worked in the past but is failing B/K now. It feels like something has broken down for them.
IMHO, it's not all Moskvina. She's not skating the program. But, I'll blaspheme as well. I love her as a person, but I've never liked how her skaters skate, but this is on B/K. We'll see what they look like at the test skates in a couple of weeks.
 
Russia is just having a crisis of creativity. Very little to go around apparently. Anastasia and partner would also be better served by keeping both their programs. Zzzzz......
 
This is why I hate watching the grainy cell phone snippets. I like to at least wait for the test skates. I'm not even B&K's biggest fan, but I think their programs look fine. Moskvina usually changes things around during the season. Keep in mind the group's main choreographer passed away last season. IMO, the music choices are good and I can see this really working when they are in costume and ready and expressing.
 
Yes, that's a good point. And the programs grow over the season from the test skates as well. I sort of wish at times that skaters could go back to the way things used to be, where there wasn't so much early scrutiny of their programs while they are still developing, but that chicken is pretty well out of the coop now with cell phones and live streaming I think.
 
IMHO, it's not all Moskvina. She's not skating the program. But, I'll blaspheme as well. I love her as a person, but I've never liked how her skaters skate, but this is on B/K. We'll see what they look like at the test skates in a couple of weeks.
There is no program. If you put the sound on mute, you may see that nothing indicate what they are skating to. They could skate to anything. Actually, it is not such a bad idea. Keep the program and change the music to something more suitable. Their choreography doesn’t highlight any point in music, (there is not much choreography in it anyway), so it will fit to any music.
 
There is no program. If you put the sound on mute, you may see that nothing indicate what they are skating to. They could skate to anything. Actually, it is not such a bad idea. Keep the program and change the music to something more suitable. Their choreography doesn’t highlight any point in music, (there is not much choreography in it anyway), so it will fit to any music.
Given though what Anissina/Peizerat did for their Olympic Gold Medal free dance, every pair or dance team should get a pass for whatever....hopefully I haven't spoken too soon.
 
Given though what Anissina/Peizerat did for their Olympic Gold Medal free dance, every pair or dance team should get a pass for whatever....hopefully I haven't spoken too soon.
I am not saying they can’t win the worlds or Olympics with that program. If they skate well on the night, they can win with anything. But I am expressing my opinion on whether the program will do them any favours or not. If everyone goes clean and it is very close pointwise, any little thing may sway the judges. And this program will definitely not be helping them.
 
The quality of skating is not surprising - it's August. If they don't get better, it's on them. But what is Moskvina doing? I don't have a problem with Tamara taking on their biggest rivals, that's her right. She still needs to give B/K something. Clearly, they are not a priority. And they have nowhere to go. This year can be a career killer for them. Just sad.
 
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I am not saying they can’t win the worlds or Olympics with that program. If they skate well on the night, they can win with anything. But I am expressing my opinion on whether the program will do them any favours or not. If everyone goes clean and it is very close pointwise, any little thing may sway the judges. And this program will definitely not be helping them.
I am with Hanca on this. Of course they can with it. Tarasova / Morozov COULD win with candyman, theoretically. We all know what happens when a pair fights to survive the program. Why put elite skaters in this position? B/K have so much to give. How hard could it be to create something that highlights their strength?
 
I think it is not so much about the program or choreography; B/K rather deeply inside have lost their confidence and then neither choreography or program can help. If there is a conviction, confidence then even the worst program can shine. Also, it is so early in the season, a lot of things can change.
 
I am not saying they can’t win the worlds or Olympics with that program. If they skate well on the night, they can win with anything. But I am expressing my opinion on whether the program will do them any favours or not. If everyone goes clean and it is very close pointwise, any little thing may sway the judges. And this program will definitely not be helping them.
I am just frustrated by their uninspired choices. I still remember the programs of Sui/Han, G/G, B/S, K/S (Manfried?) in particular, last years programs for M/G and I think how bland can the choreography for T/M get? It's like they can only do one set of elements more or less and they pretty much just change the music or rotate the elements. Unimpressed. Waiting for the ladies, and Nathan Chen.
 
Boikova / Kozlovsky seem the most vulnerable this season.

I think Pavlyuchenko / Khodykin could sneak into getting the Olympics.
 
I think it is not so much about the program or choreography; B/K rather deeply inside have lost their confidence and then neither choreography or program can help. If there is a conviction, confidence then even the worst program can shine. Also, it is so early in the season, a lot of things can change.
I think you might be unto something there. The confidence and sharpness is lost in Dmitry in particular. B. is a fighter. She's got the spark and fight. He looks to be struggling and out of shape or he's injured. But something is not right with him. He needs a mentor.
 
I'm not going to try to read into their facial expressions or 'attack' based on the footage we have and considering this may have been treated as much more casual or much less important than a big competition. But as a program, the choreography.. well.. isn't there. It's the typical Malaguena version that we've seen for many years, and at this point they just skate right through it.

I spent the better part of the last 3 seasons commenting that I didn't really love their overall quality, and I thought they had two snooze-worthy short programs and a decent long, mostly carried by some highlight movements and their fresh, excited presence. But I still am sticking to them being the weakest overall package of the 4 teams likely fighting for an Olympic spot, and this program doesn't really help set them apart.
 
I did not like B/K's music choices last year. May be they want to go traditional. That had worked for them early in their career. May be these choices with make them feel comfortable.
 
I think you might be unto something there. The confidence and sharpness is lost in Dmitry in particular. B. is a fighter. She's got the spark and fight. He looks to be struggling and out of shape or he's injured. But something is not right with him. He needs a mentor.
I disagree, I think they are both struggling with confidence but when the wheels come off it's usually Boikova that makes the costly errors (like at Worlds). It seems like once a mistake happens she gets so mad (at him and herself from what it seems) that she struggles to push through and then the mistakes just pile on.
I do think the material matters a lot, sure on a good day they can sell this FS but there's no fire in it, no personality, and it's for a team that's all about personality.
The weirdest thing is that this is supposedly the FS they worked on at the end of the 2019/20 season and decided not to use during the 2020/21 season but the choreography is identical to their previous FS so not sure there was even a reason to delay using it.
 
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I disagree, I think they are both struggling with confidence but when the wheels come off it's usually Bolikova that makes the costly errors (like at Worlds). It seems like once a mistake happens she gets so mad (at him and herself from what it seems) that she struggles to push through and then the mistakes just pile on.
I do think the material matters a lot, sure on a good day they can sell this FS but there's no fire in it, no personality, and it's for a team that's all about personality.
The weirdest thing is that this is supposedly the FS they worked on at the end of the 2019/20 season and decided not to use during the 2020/21 season but the choreography is identical to their previous FS so not sure there was even a reason to delay using it.
Yeah. It all just seems very odd. Or maybe a choreographer is really very limited by a team's talent.
 
I'm not going to try to read into their facial expressions or 'attack' based on the footage we have and considering this may have been treated as much more casual or much less important than a big competition. But as a program, the choreography.. well.. isn't there. It's the typical Malaguena version that we've seen for many years, and at this point they just skate right through it.

I spent the better part of the last 3 seasons commenting that I didn't really love their overall quality, and I thought they had two snooze-worthy short programs and a decent long, mostly carried by some highlight movements and their fresh, excited presence. But I still am sticking to them being the weakest overall package of the 4 teams likely fighting for an Olympic spot, and this program doesn't really help set them apart.
ITA. If Pav/Kho have a good nationals, they could take the 3rd spot. It's really going to come down to that one competition this year unless it's so close the Federation uses Europeans (hopefully) or if that is cancelled again, the Russian Cup Final to make their decision. If Boi/Koz haven't put their bronze medal at Worlds behind them by this point, they have bigger issues to deal with. You have to focus on what's in front of you and not what is behind.
 
Given Tarasova/Morozov's two programs, it makes it more interesting to wonder what Moskvina's thinking is. It's going to be an interesting test skate.
 
After watching both SP and FS of Tarasova/Morozov, I think they have ‘the best programs’ from the top three Russian pairs. By best programs I mean programs that were chosen carefully, taking into consideration their ability. The programs suit them.
 
After watching both SP and FS of Tarasova/Morozov, I think they have ‘the best programs’ from the top three Russian pairs. By best programs I mean programs that were chosen carefully, taking into consideration their ability. The programs suit them.
If they press their hands together one more time I will scream. If the Chinese are clean and M/G switch to last years free and are also clean, T/M will max out at bronze. I never, I never. But as we are saying, if this is the programme they can manage, good on them.
 
wow first time I've seen a mellow music that suits T/MM They don't look dreadful. B.K might be in trouble. who knows maybe Pavlyuchenko / Khodykin will be rus no1 this season.
 
Kind of remains to be seen what Sui/Han have but I loved, loved, loved their free program of the last two years. "Rain, in your Black Eyes", Lori Nichol, and those two amazing skaters just combined to make a masterpiece. I hope they have had a better time with injuries and another homerun of a program so the Russians really have to bring it.
 
Kind of remains to be seen what Sui/Han have but I loved, loved, loved their free program of the last two years. "Rain, in your Black Eyes", Lori Nichol, and those two amazing skaters just combined to make a masterpiece. I hope they have had a better time with injuries and another homerun of a program so the Russians really have to bring it.
I wouldn’t award the gold medal to Sui/Han yet. After all, at the last worlds they were by Mishina/Galliamov…. That speaks volumes!
 
I wouldn’t award the gold medal to Sui/Han yet. After all, at the last worlds they were by Mishina/Galliamov…. That speaks volumes!
I am not awarding anybody anything. I was commenting on the emotion I felt every time I watched them skate that program. For them, a home Olympics, I hope they have material to rival it. May the best pair team win.
 
Go to Tarasova Morosov FS for this season, it will give abit a a relief.
T/Ms program is clean and simple, I'll give them that. It's filled with good basic skating as well, but I was hoping for something more. M/G's programs last season was much more interesting. When I remember Sui and Han's Blues for Klook and their LPs, this is really flat. But hey, it was clean.
 
The quality of skating is not surprising - it's August. If they don't get better, it's on them. But what is Moskvina doing? I don't have a problem with Tamara taking on their biggest rivals, that's her right. She still needs to give B/K something. Clearly, they are not a priority. And they have nowhere to go. This year can be a career killer for them. Just sad.
I disagree that B&K are not Tamara's priority. She cares for all her students. I am sure there is a reason she chose the programs she did for both her pairs. It just so happened, M&G skated great at worlds and B&K skated below expectations.
 
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