U.S. Men 2018-19 season (cont.) - news & updates

Jason is a solid 3rd man right now in the US and unless the younger guys like Camden, Alexei or Andrew improve dramatically he should be able to hold them off for another couple of seasons at the least. I do agree that Tomoki is a threat to him soon if he keeps improving. Also one other thing i've noticed is that Vincent is a late season skater who seems to start off slow but ends up peaking later in the season. Has a decent JGP season but then wns the silver at Nats in 2017 then wins Junior Worlds later that season then after a mediocre year on the GP he makes the podium at Nats last year and makes the Olympic team and finishes top 6. And now this season after another average GP season he wins silver at Nats bronze at 4CC and bronze at Worlds. His only real bad skate in a late season competition in the last 3 seasons was in the LP at Worlds last year but i think he was injured but still impressive what he does when it counts.

Upon review, it looked like his 4T was around in the LP. Surprised it was called
 
Considering his move to a new training facility with new to him skating training mates and new coaches and choreographers, no less a new country, and recognizing his tremendously improved elements and fabulous 2nd place finish in the Short at Worlds, Jason had a fabulous year. Good, no great, for him!
 
Considering his move to a new training facility with new to him skating training mates and new coaches and choreographers, no less a new country, and recognizing his tremendously improved elements and fabulous 2nd place finish in the Short at Worlds, Jason had a fabulous year. Good, no great, for him!

Absolutely. Not that he needs that, but his actual skating has further improved. Despite what he showed in the free, his 3axel was also better. Without a single reliable quad, it is to be expected that he would drop in the standings after the short. The axel issues were more unfortunate.

Everyone at the top is learning and landing two or three types of quads and he knows it. If he wants to remain competitive he needs to at least get his 4sal (and preferably also 4toe) consistent. TCC would have been even more inspiring for him if Hanyu and Fernandez were always there. Hopefully Cha and Hanyu (whenever he is there) can still motivate him to work on those quads.
 
I hope Jason takes it to heart how much the judges LOVE his skating. I think we need a skater like him in this field who really brings forth the artistry and dance skills. It says a lot that Zhou with a quad and a UR quad in the SP still can't overtake a quadless Jason...yet. The new GOE range helps a skater like Jason. That said, we know where he stands when he maxes out his points and other men know what they can do to overtake him BV wise. Someone like Vincent CAN improve his GOE and PCS to bridge the gap somewhat if he does the work and Vincent is NOT alone. That's why he does need at least one quad to be more competitive for actual medals. All the men with quads (especially multiple quads) are not ALL going to under perform in the SP and LP for Jason to take advantage with his GOE and PCS.
 
Absolutely. Not that he needs that, but his actual skating has further improved. Despite what he showed in the free, his 3axel was also better. Without a single reliable quad, it is to be expected that he would drop in the standings after the short. The axel issues were more unfortunate.

Everyone at the top is learning and landing two or three types of quads and he knows it. If he wants to remain competitive he needs to at least get his 4sal (and preferably also 4toe) consistent. TCC would have been even more inspiring for him if Hanyu and Fernandez were always there. Hopefully Cha and Hanyu (whenever he is there) can still motivate him to work on those quads.
Both Joseph Phan and Conrad Orzel have multiple quads and Stephen Gogolev has all the quads (except quad axel) so there is tons of jump stimulation there. Jason also arrived getting over a foot or ankle injury so they would be going slow and Brian has found out that the sal is easier to pick up but also not as hard on the skater injury wise than the toe so less repititions are in order to protect the skater. This off season should be really good for Jason.
 
^^ I have to say I'm really impressed with what Vincent has accomplished this season. I saw & spoke to him right at the start of the season, at Evening with Champions, and at that point there was some criticism of his jumps and his skating generally, and his programs were really new and not developed at all. And if you had asked me, would he wind up on the podium at Worlds, with the performances he had in Saitama, I would not have predicted that. Even after seeing him at 4CCs, I was not expecting what happened at Worlds. So I really have to take my hat off to him for a lot of hard work, and in the face of some pretty strong criticism, too. At Worlds, we really saw the fruition of the work discussed in the article above, especially in terms of his performance and musicality. Also I think it's great that Vincent is really trying to improve on his skating skills, because that's something he needed to do.
 
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3 U.S. men are scheduled to compete at Egna Spring Trophy in Italy, March 28-31, 2019:

Senior: Alex Krasnozhon (recently added), Andrew Torgashev
Adv. Novice: Robert Yampolsky (Intermediate champion, his international debut)

Alex K is going to push Camden down 1 spot on the World Ranking list :drama: Camden is going to be 24th as long as Nam or Kevin A doesn't do another Senior B :drama:
 
Alex K is going to push Camden down 1 spot on the World Ranking list :drama: Camden is going to be 24th as long as Nam or Kevin A doesn't do another Senior B :drama:
Senior Bs only give 250 points for winning, so I think Camden is safe.
 
Senior Bs only give 250 points for winning, so I think Camden is safe.

That's more than enough for him to be passed. But I think Nam and Kevin will be too preoccupied with WTT plus they have top 24 SB so I doubt they will bother with any of the remaining Senior Bs. I was fine once I realized that. Plus Lazukin can only gain 25 points at Skate Victoria. He needed 75 points to pass Camden and now I'm chilling :summer: Alex K will definitely pass him, he only needs 4th :drama:

ETA: unless of course my math is off and Camden ends up 25th or lower, I will cry :wuzrobbed
 
Alex K is going to push Camden down 1 spot on the World Ranking list :drama: Camden is going to be 24th as long as Nam or Kevin A doesn't do another Senior B :drama:

I did a preliminary run of how the WR list will look after the 16/17 scrub and 17/18 reduction, and it looks like this

20 1664 Nam NGUYEN
21 1663 Tomoki HIWATASHI
22 1644 Kazuki TOMONO
23 1574 Alexei BYCHENKO
24 1535 Daniel GRASSL
25 1503 Camden PULKINEN
26 1460 Kevin AYMOZ
27 1385 Alexei KRASNOZHON
28 1291 Adam SIAO HIM FA
29 1282 Andrei LAZUKIN

The list from 1-29 does include Javier Fernandez, but if you remove him (which the ISU doesn't unless asked to by the Spanish Fed) the above would all move up one spot.
 
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I did a preliminary run of how the WR list will look after the 16/17 scrub and 17/18 reduction, and it looks like this

20 1664 Nam NGUYEN
21 1663 Tomoki HIWATASHI
22 1644 Kazuki TOMONO
23 1574 Alexei BYCHENKO
24 1535 Daniel GRASSL
25 1503 Camden PULKINEN
26 1460 Kevin AYMOZ
27 1385 Alexei KRASNOZHON
28 1291 Adam SIAO HIM FA
29 1282 Andrei LAZUKIN

See, that's why I don't work with math. LOL I'll wait until the ISU calculates it. Because I have the exact same points as you for Nam, Adam and Aymoz, but everyone else is different.
 
Congrats to Nathan and Vincent! Sad for Jason but without a quad I'm afraid he might be surpassed by other U.S. men like Tomoki if they improve drastically in the coming years.
Yeah but I am holding out hope that his new team will help Jason conquer that quad.
 
See, that's why I don't work with math. LOL I'll wait until the ISU calculates it. Because I have the exact same points as you for Nam, Adam and Aymoz, but everyone else is different.
My calculations also only match that list for Nam, Adam and Kevin A.

I realise that I missed Alexei's JW points when I did my calculations, so you're right that Alexei can pass Camden.
 
Here is the complete list of the top 30

1- 4290 Nathan CHEN
2-4045 Shoma UNO
3-3461 Yuzuru HANYU
4-3217 Mikhail KOLYADA
5-2694 Jason BROWN
6-2686 Keegan MESSING
6-2686 Vincent ZHOU
8-2532 Alexander SAMARIN
9-2402 Michal BREZINA
10-2328 Boyang JIN
11-2318 Matteo RIZZO
12-2176 Javier FERNANDEZ (retired)
13-2000 Sergei VORONOV
14-1931 Junhwan CHA
15-1917 Deniss VASILJEVS
16-1876 Morisi KVETLASHVILI
17-1862 Dmitri ALIEV
18-1824 Keiji TANAKA
19-1683 Roman SAVOSIN
20-1664 Nam NGUYEN
21-1663 Tomoki HIWATASHI
22-1644 Kazuki TOMONO
23-1574 Alexei BYCHENKO
24-1535 Daniel GRASSL
25-1503 Camden PULKINEN
26-1460 Kevin AYMOZ
27-1385 Alexei KRASNOZHON
28-1291 Adam SIAO HIM FA
29-1282 Andrei LAZUKIN
30-1182 Koshiro SHIMADA
 
Vincent's new exhibition skate:

https://youtu.be/Jwx6euqsJXQ

If Team Vincent were smart, they would already have booked in the time needed for Joshua to create one of Vincent's competitive programs for this season. In both the exes this season I have seen much to enjoy, much more than his competitive work...of course, it is easier to skate that way when you're not chasing quads and rotations, but I really think, something like this would work for a new short, or perhaps a free...
 
Here is the complete list of the top 30

1- 4290 Nathan CHEN
2-4045 Shoma UNO
3-3461 Yuzuru HANYU
4-3217 Mikhail KOLYADA
5-2694 Jason BROWN
6-2686 Keegan MESSING
6-2686 Vincent ZHOU
8-2532 Alexander SAMARIN
9-2402 Michal BREZINA
10-2328 Boyang JIN
11-2318 Matteo RIZZO
12-2176 Javier FERNANDEZ (retired)
13-2000 Sergei VORONOV
14-1931 Junhwan CHA
15-1917 Deniss VASILJEVS
16-1876 Morisi KVETLASHVILI
17-1862 Dmitri ALIEV
18-1824 Keiji TANAKA
19-1683 Roman SAVOSIN
20-1664 Nam NGUYEN
21-1663 Tomoki HIWATASHI
22-1644 Kazuki TOMONO
23-1574 Alexei BYCHENKO
24-1535 Daniel GRASSL
25-1503 Camden PULKINEN
26-1460 Kevin AYMOZ
27-1385 Alexei KRASNOZHON
28-1291 Adam SIAO HIM FA
29-1282 Andrei LAZUKIN
30-1182 Koshiro SHIMADA

How are you calculating this? My numbers are quite different - for most of the skaters mine are higher. I'm pretty confident in mine because they are the same as Taz's Mum's in dance, and I've redone them in excel and checked the formula.

I think you may have missed Worlds/JW points in some cases, because Alexei K's total is what I had for him before JW, for example.
 
ETA: my calculations for the men are in the dedicated WS thread now.

With Alexei K going to Egna Spring Trophy, he's likely to move up into the top 24, bumping Nam (who's already guaranteed a GP by SB). That will get Alex a GP spot.
 
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Tonight Match Sports/RU published an article about Nathan Chen (in Russian, google-translates quite well. if any questions about wording, will be glad to help, or anyone who speaks Russian, I am sure).

The article highlights Nathan’s well balanced life, sports, education, music, ballet and family.
There are fotos and videos, one where he is dancing ballet in stage production, as a child.

”The champion, the student, the handsome one – The story of an American Wunderkind”.
https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/m...krasavchik_Istorija_amerikanskogo_vunderkinda

(I am so glad the Russians starting to take the Japan’s route, praise the right role models, praise what is excellent, no matter what country they come from, it helps your own people to learn).
 
I hope major US and Int'l companies jump on Nathan with endorsements, he is a perfect person and athlete to represent practically ANY product. Why is he not on a Kellogg's box? He is not just accomplished, but he is extremely photogenic and handsome.... Certainly there must be something big he can promote....

https://t1.daumcdn.net/cfile/tistory/99538E4C5C96581304

Big Sponsors for Nathan! :mitchell: he is like a perfect sports car.....:kickass:
 
I hope major US and Int'l companies jump on Nathan with endorsements, he is a perfect person and athlete to represent practically ANY product. Why is he not on a Kellogg's box? He is not just accomplished, but he is extremely photogenic and handsome.... Certainly there must be something big he can promote....

https://t1.daumcdn.net/cfile/tistory/99538E4C5C96581304

Big Sponsors for Nathan! :mitchell: he is like a perfect sports car.....:kickass:

I think that Nathan currently has a sponsorship deal with Nike. And Nathan’s already been on the Corn Flakes box. :)
 

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