From Russia with Love [#30]: If There Are Test Skate Videos, It Must Be Fall 2018

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Tinami Amori, your "story" is wrong. :) You have a link in your post, I know this text, there is nothing about "he just fell on his own", nothing about "OPENLY bully and hurt Plushenko". I mean this text:
https://www.kp.ru/daily/23963.3/72675/

Mishin found Plush to be very talented and started spending lots of time on him. Yag hated it
This is not true. If we believe the text (by your link), if we believe Plushenko, Mishin used to spend much time on Urmanov and Tataurov (who were older), after that Mishin had some time for Yagudin, as for Evgeni - Evgeni used to get almost nothing, because he was the youngest. Evgeni tells in this text, that he (Evgeni) didn't like, that Yagudin had the best program, the best music, that Mishin spent more time with Yagudin. Evgeni says: "First I was making circles around him (around Yagudin), later I started to bite - first I was careful, then my bites became more and more painful". Of course, he didn't bite Yagudin literally, yet it is Evgeni who says: "I was making circles, later I started to bite". It should be true.
Mishin started to spend more time on Evgeni, when he "finally noticed (Evgeni's) potential".
Did Yagudin beat Plushenko? Well, one of the words which Evgeni uses means "beating on one's teeth". Literally? I don't think so, because when Evgeni needs an example, Evgeni says: "For example, we were playing football after a training. I shooted a goal, and somebody kicked my legs. I didn't need to look back. I knew who did it." Yagudin was asked about "beating", of course. :) Yagudin said: "I didn't beat him, when he was playing the violin, did I?" To say the truth, I trust Yagudin, when he says he fighted only once - at school. He could be and can be rude though.
Some older boys in Mishin's group were cruel to Yagudin as well, he doesn't think it is right to discuss that now.

Yag naturally took Kovtun's side, and stated his position (aka greedy selfish Plushenko, poor Kovtun) on every channel he could.
Before 2014 there was a year, when Kovtun was sent instead of Menshov (as far as I remember). Yagudin didn't like that either and said that. So it is not just because of Plushenko.
As for 2014 - they asked him. There were talk shows where Plushenko or Mishin were the main guests, they were sitting in the studio, not Yagudin. The host switched on TV link-up with Yagudin when they wanted to switch it on.

You forgot this from Yagudin's interview: I am so versatile and multitalented, he has no life outside of skating..:D
:) Yagudin says about himself, that he is not talented. Indeed. Maybe it is flirtation (partly), but I think he never would say "multitalented" about himself. He likes to say, that we should try, should do something, shouldn't be lazy.
 
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This is true. I add a little supplement. In Mishin's group he was humiliated and beated by the olders . The olders hit his head that was the custom they "initiationed" him. When Plushenko became the leader in the group he finished this custom and this doesn't happen now, doesn't happen since that.
Yes, i remember, when Plushenko became "#1 in the group", he prohibited lesser rank skaters to torment the newbies.

You forgot this from Yagudin's interview: I am so versatile and multitalented, he has no life outside of skating..:D

:D no i did not forget Yagudin saying this shit about Plush, i just decided not to list everything, because as i said, it would be at least 10 pages long, with many attachments and links.... :lol:

http://taini-zvezd.ru/public/zachem_yagudin_prodolzhaet_dostavat_plyuschenko/


Why Yagudin continue to annoy Plushenko?
Well, 34-year-old Alexei Yagudin can not live without Evgeni Plushenko! At least once a month, he need to let go some message! We just forgotten scandal, which Lyosha arranged because Zhenya withdrew from the competition in the Olympic Sochi, but here is - another insolence!

- "All around asked why I kept to "maliciously" talk about Evgeni - grins Yagudin. - But, to be honest, I absolutely spit on it, what Plushenko's doing! The main thing - let he be healthy! I do not speak sarcastically. I honestly express my opinion, when someone is interested in it!"

But to do this without maliciousness, it is not possible? He says that he "spit on what his opponent does", but then immediately adds fuel to the fire. Why he continues to annoy Plushenko? One answer is obvious: it seems that Lyosha's choking toad (knot in throat)! Liked, or not - but his 31-year-old rival is more successful and famous![/QUOTE]

Yagudin said it once too often "i don't give a hoot about Plushenko's life, i am just being objective"... and yet he keeps on talking about Plushenko's personal life and business, not just skating.. :D

Tinami Amori, your "story" is wrong. :) You have a link in your post, I know this text, there is nothing about "he just fell on his own", nothing about "OPENLY bully and hurt Plushenko". I mean this text: https://www.kp.ru/daily/23963.3/72675/
https://www.kp.ru/daily/23963.3/72675/

The issues with Plushenko bullied by Yagudin are true and so are denying it. I just can’t link 100 links and list everything. That article confirms Plushenko was abused by Yagudin. There are other links about “Yagudin denying it was him who hurt Plushenko”.

Yagudin was asked about "beating", of course. :) Yagudin said: "I didn't beat him, when he was playing the violin, did I?"

Ok, you just helped me with some of the missing info.. Yaguding denying he hurt Plushenko, and making fun of the claim by being dismissive.. How clever of him.

No Russian man wants to admit that “he was beaten up by other boys”, it’s embarrassing even if true… If Plushenko said it openly, there was a reason, and good for him! Bullying is not acceptable.

Look.. Yagudin is a selfish jerk, with everything and everyone… Just ask his wife Tatiana, how he cheated on her and not once, and one time I believe while she was pregnant or just had a child, and how difficult it was for her to forgive him and take him back… but she had a family to think about.

“Totmianina tells MK how Yaguding cheated on her”.
https://www.mk.ru/sport/2018/08/06/totmyanina-rasskazala-ob-izmene-yagudina.html

“How Yaguding left Tatiana for a pop star”
https://www.kp.ru/daily/26783.4/3816322/

“How I left Tatiana, more than once..” (because I am an individualist and need my freedom).
https://dni.ru/showbiz/2016/10/12/350575.html

There is more about lots of things “Yagudin does”. But I am too lazy to look for links at this point, and without links it is not fair.... But i am not his fan for sure.....:D
 
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https://www.mk.ru/sport/2018/08/06/totmyanina-rasskazala-ob-izmene-yagudina.html

"Раньше мир строился на патриархате. Сейчас его не все принимают. Но лично я считаю неправильным, когда в тех же европейских странах и Америке женщину ставят на один уровень с мужчиной", - поделился своей точкой зрения спортсмен. "

I always got the impression Yagudin was a jerk...
 
The last page has reminded me that no matter how interesting Russian skating is these days (in any discipline) nothing will beat the golden era Maya and Pasha, Yags and Plushy soap operas. Some things never get old :D

Anyway I know they doesn't get as much attention but I'm really liking Boikova/Kozlovskii and I hope they continue to improve. They're still young so I hope they stick it out :cool:
 
https://www.mk.ru/sport/2018/08/06/totmyanina-rasskazala-ob-izmene-yagudina.html

"Раньше мир строился на патриархате. Сейчас его не все принимают. Но лично я считаю неправильным, когда в тех же европейских странах и Америке женщину ставят на один уровень с мужчиной", - поделился своей точкой зрения спортсмен. "

I always got the impression Yagudin was a jerk...

Yes, Yagudin openly said that he believes women are inferior and men should be in charge.

"Before the world was structured on patriarchy. Now some people don't accept it (this fact). But i personally think it is wrong, when in those European countries and in America, they place women on the same level with man"....:D

(and that's not all he said about how bad things are outside of Russia, after he failed to make a life in USA and then in Canada/Vancouver, and returned back to Russia like a prodigal son).. :lol:
 
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This is the current bonuses:

Senior Men
  • Quad loop, flip & lutz with connecting elements - 2 points
  • A program with 2 different quad jumps - 1 point
  • 3 quads in one program - 2 points

Junior Men
  • Quad+Triple combination - 2 points
  • Quad with connecting elements - 1 point

Junior & Senior Ladies
  • Triple axel with connecting elements - 2 points
  • Quad with connecting elements - 2 points

Everyone
  • Level 4 spin with no less than +4 GOE - 1 point for every spin

Notes:
  • Only elements that are properly satisfactory according to the referee and technical controller are are counted:
    • Clean entry on the Lutz and the Flip with no edge call
    • No underrotated or downgraded jumps
  • An athlete may receive more than one bonus per program
Thanks so much @cgirl8! :respec: I finally figured out (duh me) from the FS protocol that Kovtun's 3 point bonus ("A program with 2 different quad jumps - 1 point" & "3 quads in one program - 2 points") was added to the TES score: https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1819/5etap/MyMC__Scores.pdf
 
The last page has reminded me that no matter how interesting Russian skating is these days (in any discipline) nothing will beat the golden era Maya and Pasha, Yags and Plushy soap operas. Some things never get old :D

Anyway I know they doesn't get as much attention but I'm really liking Boikova/Kozlovskii and I hope they continue to improve. They're still young so I hope they stick it out :cool:

Yags vs. Plushy got old for me a long time ago. :drama: It's the height of the season and this thread is full of long redundant posts about those 2 d-bags and the feud that will never die? Isn't that exactly the kind of thing that belongs in the Trash Can?

I didn't love B/K before this season, but they have definitely grown on me. I wish they could have made the final over P/K. Their programs are so much better (and better than T/M's or Z/E's,for that matter).
 
Yes, Yagudin openly said that he believes women are inferior and men should be in charge.

"Before the world was structured on patriarchy. Now some people don't accept it (this fact). But i personally think it is wrong, when in those European countries and in America, they place women on the same level with man"....:D

(and that's not all he said about how bad things are outside of Russia, after he failed to make a life in USA and then in Canada/Vancouver, and returned back to Russia like a prodigal son).. :lol:

Funny, he's surrounded by women, a wife and two daughters. ROTFLOL.
 
I go back to Grand Prix 2018/2019.
I'm wondering how it will be with Evgenia Medvedeva in the nearest future? No fast improvement so far. She has soon Russian Nationals but it is not very likely she'll get through. Also, I think her SP is really not good for her - she doesn't feel this style.
 
The hunger game for Med ??
she will be competing for 3rd spot with Konstantinova, Sofia

and junior girls
Trusova, Tarakanova, Kostronaia, Scherbakova

also B skaters
Gubanova, Gulyakova, Tarusina

and the has been skaters
Tsurskaya, Sotskova, Leonova, Radio

did I miss anyone ???
 
Why do people act like Evgenia is the only one who needs to be nervous about Russian Nats? What do you think they're going to do if she doesn't make the team, "Old Yeller" her?

Because up to now she has had quite a bit of generosity when it comes to PCS/ GOE, and if she has a few more bad competitions, her rep is going to plummet and judges won't be so lenient if she has a bad skate...

And losing that means she won't have an advantage over skaters who have harder technical content...
 
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Why do people act like Evgenia is the only one who needs to be nervous about Russian Nats? What do you think they're going to do if she doesn't make the team, "Old Yeller" her?

her reputation, pcs and goe are already plumetting
Im sure she doesnt want to be seen as a has been skaters like Sotskova, Radio, or Leoova
 
It wouldn't be the first time the silver medalist didn't make it to the team (Leonova) or a world champion didn't make it to the team (Slutskaya, Tuktamysheva). What's the big deal?

Rep and the fact that competition is much tougher than before...
 
Sigh. Can't we please let young women grow up & have time to adjust their skating to their changing bodies without referring to them as "has beens?" How many of us were brilliant rays of sunshine while going through adolescence? Yes, all those young girls are coming. And most of them are going to have this same experience at some point prior to 2022. We can love what they can accomplish now. We can respect the athletes that have come through it. And we can give the ones who are going through it time.
 
Because up to now she has had quite a bit of generosity when it comes to PCS/ GOE, and if she has a few more bad competitions, her rep is going to plummet and judges won't be so lenient if she has a bad skate...

And losing that means she won't have an advantage over skaters who have harder technical content...
I think Med's PCS/GOE's were more or less deserved through the Autumn Classic this year. At Skate Canada her SP GOE's were a bit too high, imo. But last night's GOE's after her FS, were very much out of line, too high. In SP she was very stiff and lost, and those GOE's were a bit high too, but not to bad. But 68 for FS??? given all the issues and very messy step outs?
This should be the New Medvedeva, with cool, jazzy (if that's what she wants), interesting style...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnSlARn8Gs8
 
The hunger game for Med ??
she will be competing for 3rd spot with Konstantinova, Sofia

and junior girls
Trusova, Tarakanova, Kostronaia, Scherbakova

also B skaters
Gubanova, Gulyakova, Tarusina

and the has been skaters
Tsurskaya, Sotskova, Leonova, Radio

did I miss anyone ???
I've been following some upcoming Nationals discussions on chats/blogs/live-journals from inside the russian rinks (parents, fans and sometimes skaters). So given their predictions and my conclusions, looks like this.

The consensus for Worlds and Euros:
Euros. Not much competition from other Euro girls, the podium is likely to be "all russian" and no danger of loosing quotas even if one of the girls messes up. That gives a bit of freedom for 3rd spot, and the decision will be about "influences of coaches and interested parties.

which means: Zag is in. Tuk is in (if nothing major happens with both of them).
3rd spot will be politicized:
TAT will push (and that's an understatement) for Med. TAT will probably get her way (unless Med bums Nationals).
Mishin will push Samodurova, claiming she is an upcoming medalist, and needs exposure and opportunity.
Boiyanova will push either Sot or Tsur, or Gub or someone else, claiming the same reasons as Mishin. (Tsur might be considered if she does well at Nationals, or Gubanova, but Sot and Rad are not likely).

Worlds: same thing pretty much, except the 3rd spot will be determined pretty much "on merit", evaluation of current results and Nationals. Worlds have much tougher competition than Euros, girls's abilities will play a big role. So it is pretty much between Samodurova and Med, unless "magic happens" with another girl at Nationals.

But TAT will still politic for Med (and turn the earth to get her in).
 
Things are tough for Medvedeva at the moment. I was just browsing through some Russian language news websites for skating news (on google translate) and there are so many articles picking apart everything she does and trying to accuse her of being unpatriotic at every turn. She'd know the media are waiting for blood. It's not like skating in other countries where a failure at a competition just results in maybe a sentence in the bottom of a small article. It's big news. That must affect Medvedeva's psyche a lot.
 
I don't understand the PCS decreases for Medvedeva in some aspects, but understand it in others.

I think her skating skills are better, as is her choreography. Her transitions are better choreographically and to show skating skills, but aren't what the judges are rewarding in ladies skating. So I think those should remain high or even increase.
Performance and interpretation, however, are definitely down this year. It's good that she's not pantomiming or overacting, but she's not performing in a good way either. She always looks nervous when she goes out on the ice now and doesn't seem to perform her programs because of it. And it's no wonder she's nervous considering all the changes she made and the reaction to those changes from Russian fans and Eteri. There's a lot of pressure on her right now.
 
Things are tough for Medvedeva at the moment. I was just browsing through some Russian language news websites for skating news (on google translate) and there are so many articles picking apart everything she does and trying to accuse her of being unpatriotic at every turn. She'd know the media are waiting for blood. It's not like skating in other countries where a failure at a competition just results in maybe a sentence in the bottom of a small article. It's big news. That must affect Medvedeva's psyche a lot.
Only few "radical ones", same ones who post on different social sites in russian, calling her "unpatriotic".

The "normal ones" in terms of Med, have other objections to what happened, basically in the area of "it is not what you do, it is how you do it, and why". The problem many have is with "how" and "why", not the "switch" part, or even training in Canada, and many feel lied to and deceived by the excessive "images" Med promoted about herself (patriotism/Russia forever, Eteri-2nd-mother, friendship with Zag, etc.) and then acted and said the opposite after not winning Gold, etc.

There are also many Med-fans and some journalists who are internet-bullying Zagitova, and some crazies who are wishing her all sorts of evil including hard physical damage. There are also some Med-fans who are attacking Tuk, for "showing up with nothing much more than jumps and undergarments and taking Med's spot". Crazies are crazies..
 
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It wouldn't be the first time the silver medalist didn't make it to the team (Leonova) or a world champion didn't make it to the team (Slutskaya, Tuktamysheva). What's the big deal?
Not a big deal just some reflections about all the situation. :rollin:Actually yes. Situation is much calmer than previous years. Zagitova, Tukhtamysheva and then Samodurova, Medevedeva or Konstantinova. But maybe one of them bombs... you never know.
 
:)Sorry, Tinami Amori, but it is amazing, that you still don't notice, that you take your "story" out of nowhere. I think you can't post 100 links about "beating", because they don't exist. I looked for this info - I found not much.
In the article which you show, Plushenko, actually, tells, that he (Plushenko) envied Yagudin, Evgeni says: "First I was making circles around him, later I started to bite - first I was careful, then my bites became more and more painful". This is Plushenko's version, not Yagudin's. Yet you tell, that Yagudin had to envy talented Plushenko.
You say: "OPENLY bully and hurt Plushenko". Plushenko says: "Usually if it happened that he beat me, he did it on the quiet. For example, we were playing football..." Isn't it odd, that football is the worst thing which Evgeni can remember?:) (by the way, "if" is the funniest word in this story; Evgeni even can't say: "he beat me" - without "if")
Plushenko was asked about Yagudin directly - and Plushenko answered: "Lyokha did some nasty things too. Nothing really bad. /.../ I can't say, that Yagudin tormented me badly. 3 years is not very big difference in age. There were guys who were much older, who really abused and humiliated" (https://www.sport-express.ru/fridays/reviews/782340/)
Evgeni also tells in this text, that he (Evgeni) threw cucumbers and eggs at people (not at Yagudin). I always preferred not to note that, but it seems such stories are really important for you.

I guess Yagudin doesn't remember who kicked him when he played football. :)

Yagudin: "But i personally think it is wrong, when in those European countries and in America, they place women on the same level with man"....:D

Now this is a real quote, not invented by you. Yet there is a funny thing about this text: in the next sentence Yagudin speaks about responsibility: he believes he is the one who should provide well-being for his family. He says (not in this text), that his wife shouldn't argue with him, but later she may do whatever she wants, because he forgets what they were talking about. He openly says it. They are a funny pair. Yes, he believes, that a man is leading in a family, but he speaks not about his rights, but about his responsibility. That's why I don't care - even if he says: "they place women on the same level". I see, that his family smiles - it is more important than a word which he chooses when he speaks. :):):):)
His older daughter didn't want to have a sister. Just look at them now!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkQO9lZgjmn/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BepS1flgP3x/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmMTk1Pna5U/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmLp_jsnNWP/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeIuWMeBgec/
 
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