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Here's a 2016 article about how vanilla, coffee and cocoa are at risk of disappearing (while getting more expensive on the way out) due to climate change:



I cannot imagine life without coffee!
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Here's a 2016 article about how vanilla, coffee and cocoa are at risk of disappearing (while getting more expensive on the way out) due to climate change:
Here's a 2016 article about how vanilla, coffee and cocoa are at risk of disappearing (while getting more expensive on the way out) due to climate change:
https://www.foodmanufacturing.com/a...ng-its-flavor-3-spices-may-disappear-kitchens
And there is also aged vanilla in A&W Cream Soda which is one of my favorite soft drinks. And gosh, I'm also a chocoholic. I have to have my Mocha Coffee! No coffee, chocolate or vanilla equals to a catastrophe!Don't you need vanilla to make all the other ice creams??!!!
No. Vanilla flowers, like coffee and cacao trees, require very specific microclimates (soil, air, temperatures) in which to grow. Microclimates even result in differences in the end products. For example, there is a difference between coffee grown on Kona and coffee grown in Africa. Coffee originated in volcanic soils and do best there. Or cacao grown in Ecuador or Africa. Or vanilla from Madagascar and vanilla from Peru (all these plants evolved in Central or South America). It's not a matter of another country deciding to just grow some. There's a reason why these plants are grown where they are.This is the first time I realized that stuff in the bottle wasn't real vanilla. Bump in the road. Some other country will grow vanilla. It will taste all the sweeter if we have to wait a couple years.
This might have even just been a "set the beans in while heating, and discard" - either way, we read the recipe and was like "do they know how much those things cost?!"LOL, was it a "scrape the beans out" recipe? Like panna cotta or creme brulee? I can get one flask of vanilla from 3 beans and one weaker flask of vanilla from a second running.
And yet, the Trump administration is busily trying to erase as many references to climate change as possible, as if closing our eyes magically makes the issue go away. ? The most recent example is the white washing of the Pentagon's web site, this despite the Pentagon's acknowledgment in 2014 that climate change is a serious national security threat.This article really shines a light on how climate change affects our lives in so many ways, many of them as yet unknown.![]()
Interesting. I would be willing to bet one of my cats that the world is not going to run out of vanilla despite short term problems. Scientists will find a solution, at least if the education system educate kids to become scientists and other fact-and thinking-based occupations instead of making them and their parents pay for four years of partying, drugging and social agitation. I am much more concerned about that than the current vanilla shortage.No. Vanilla flowers, like coffee and cacao trees, require very specific microclimates (soil, air, temperatures) in which to grow. Microclimates even result in differences in the end products. For example, there is a difference between coffee grown on Kona and coffee grown in Africa. Coffee originated in volcanic soils and do best there. Or cacao grown in Ecuador or Africa. Or vanilla from Madagascar and vanilla from Peru (all these plants evolved in Central or South America). It's not a matter of another country deciding to just grow some. There's a reason why these plants are grown where they are.
There's been considerable concern for several years that cacao will become extinct due to climate change. I can live without vanilla, but chocolate? Life isn't worth living without chocolate. There have been some attempts to try and grow cacao trees in greenhouses, but they've pretty much failed.
Yes, but I learned something new -- I had never known before that apparently the "education system" enforced four years of partying, drugging, and social agitation.well, that took a weird turn
well, that took a weird turn
This was a bit ago but I see no one answered you.Don't you need vanilla to make all the other ice creams??!!!
Oh, yes. Where I went, the graduation requirements included going to professors' wine and cheese parties, drinking espresso, and voting in Federal elections. It was awful.Yes, but I learned something new -- I had never known before that apparently the "education system" enforced four years of partying, drugging, and social agitation.![]()
Here's a 2016 article about how vanilla, coffee and cocoa are at risk of disappearing (while getting more expensive on the way out) due to climate change:
https://www.foodmanufacturing.com/a...ng-its-flavor-3-spices-may-disappear-kitchens
........It's not a matter of another country deciding to just grow some. There's a reason why these plants are grown where they are.........
There have been some attempts to try and grow cacao trees in greenhouses, but they've pretty much failed.
Interesting. I would be willing to bet one of my cats that the world is not going to run out of vanilla despite short term problems. Scientists will find a solution, at least if the education system educate kids to become scientists and other fact-and thinking-based occupations instead of making them and their parents pay for four years of partying, drugging and social agitation. I am much more concerned about that than the current vanilla shortage.![]()
Oh, yes. Where I went, the graduation requirements included going to professors' wine and cheese parties, drinking espresso, and voting in Federal elections. It was awful.
Interesting. I would be willing to bet one of my cats that the world is not going to run out of vanilla despite short term problems. Scientists will find a solution, at least if the education system educate kids to become scientists and other fact-and thinking-based occupations instead of making them and their parents pay for four years of partying, drugging and social agitation. I am much more concerned about that than the current vanilla shortage.![]()
And yet, the Trump administration is busily trying to erase as many references to climate change as possible, as if closing our eyes magically makes the issue go away.
This is funny because my neighbors are entertaining someone who was bitching about college students just now.We will be in Soylent Green in no time, but who cares about that so long as we can complain about college students on a figure skating forum in a thread that was not even about that even though the ones complaining only hear about what's going on in colleges through fake news and talk radio and it's been decades (if ever) since they visited a college campus.
The waiters know well Trump’s personal preferences. As he settles down, they bring him a Diet Coke, while the rest of us are served water, with the Vice President sitting at one end of the table. With the salad course, Trump is served what appears to be Thousand Island dressing instead of the creamy vinaigrette for his guests. When the chicken arrives, he is the only one given an extra dish of sauce. At the dessert course, he gets two scoops of vanilla ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, instead of the single scoop for everyone else.
I think I read somewhere that The Donald likes chocolate.
And suddenly, everything begins to make sense...
I think manufactured food is a good thing. If we can continue to improve fake meat to the point where people stop eating meat, that will help the planet, for example. That kind of food (and GMOs) can sustain more people.
@MacMadame isn’t talking about Tofurkey or Not Dogs, she’s talking about clean meat, which is lab grown meat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meatFake meat isn't meat and won't get meat lovers to stop eating meat.
It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Even migrating to one or two plant based meals a week would make a big difference.In principal, we should all stop eating meat for environmental reasons and because of how those involved in meat production abuse animals. In reality, I would find it hard to give up eating meat because I was a hedonist.
I don’t even get the partying drugging and social agitation comment. College kids these days are more straight laced than in decades. Is that right wing propaganda? Whoa. Such propaganda used to be based at least on some kind of truthful meme.
I was wondering if Spun Silver's post is part of a new right-wing response to climate change. First they tried to deny that climate change was occurring. When it got to the point that they couldn't completely deny it was happening, they switched to saying it wasn't caused by human activity. Maybe the next step is to say "Don't worry about climate change and what causes it - we'll adapt! We'll figure out where to grow our coffee, cacoa and vanilla! We'll enjoy the warmer weather!" Combine that line of thinking with the standard-issue right-wing attacks on higher education and you get Spun Silver's post.