Nathan Chen (#Slaythan Fans) thread

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Vera costuming was like a new line - all related to each other. But I think she does better ladies costumes. I noticed that Nathan had unhooked the collar closure on his Free costume.

In the “what were they thinking” category, why did Chen watch Hanyu’s sp, the score, the raining Pooh’s in the SP? Team Fernández had the sense to keep him behind the curtain during and after Hanyu’s Free Skate until the last minute.
 
If they ever make a Lifetime movie about Nathan, I hope it will feature a scene where dejected Nathan scrolls through his twitter mentions before his FS, comes across this tweet sent by Uncle Dick, The Grand Old Olympic Champion Wise Old Man:

:lol: Nathan retweeted that tweet. It looks like the retweet came after his skate, though. Maybe that's what he was doing when we saw him with his phone.

However, Nathan did see the tweets from Simone Biles and Donovan Mitchell before he skated:

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/zaccardi-chen-rippon-close-pyeongchang-olympics-redemption-serenity
 
Nathan needed a decent costume to skate properly.

I didn't care much for any of the Vera Wang costume aesthetic either on Evan L or on Nathan. However, Nathan sure has a nice body and he looked good in every outfit. :D But I don't think any Wang outfit he wore for the sp suited the music of the short program. He may as well have kept wearing the nice shirt and pants for the sp that he started the season with, which looked comfortable and as cool as the sp music. I like the red long-sleeved top Nathan wore at his first event in the pre-season in Salt Lake City for the sp. The one for the fp yesterday was generally okay for what the music was about and not as distracting as the sp outfit or the shiny zipper he wore on one of the Nationals costumes. It's not a Vera Wang fashion show is it? Mixed reviews for Vera. If Nathan wants to swag more skating fashion down the road, I hope he finds a new hip young designer he can collaborate with. :)


Bezic said similar things to what I already voiced in this and other threads. I'm glad Bezic put it out there. I don't generally agree with her on everything, but the majority of succinct points in her essay really needed to be said, and I'm glad she said it. She's not directly involved right now as a commentator or coach, so she's got nothing to lose. More wise voices need to be heard in this sport, instead of the usual status quo going along to get along.

... I hope Nathan does not limit himself to one Oly quad ... I know it's selfish of me, but he is so gifted with a talent so rare, and I want to see him grow as a skater and an artist. I still believe in him.

Oh, that's exactly right, but the sport of figure skating simply does not deserve this young man nor his rare talent!!! I never stopped believing in Nathan Chen.

I haven't looked at any of the coverage yet in the aftermath of men's fp, but I can just imagine the storylines. Nathan is no different in terms of his abilities now than he was coming into Pyeongchang in my book. I felt the same way I always did about him after the Team Event sp and after the individual event sp. Nothing changed for me. I was never disappointed in him, but I was upset for him because of what I've seen happening around him in the reactions to what he accomplished last season, and then conversely in the reactions to his failure initially to perform up to his talent, largely as a result of the huge additional Olympic hype pressure placed on his shoulders.

If he hadn't been able to relax and perform in the fp, I would still think of him the same way I always have. In fact, regardless of how Nathan would have performed in the fp, I already admired him that much more, knowing he was going through a tough time and still gutsing it out in practices, trying to shake his nerves. I definitely wanted to hug him after his men's event sp when I saw his face in the kiss 'n cry (my motherly protective instincts coming to the fore). But Nathan took it like a man. He went through the fire of a hot spotlight, and he stands ever that much taller. He's a gamer, and he's a young man who faced all of this stuff, including Andrea Joyce and her microphone, head on with grace and dignity.
 

Right, the coverage is just as I thought. Who is that female host? :rolleyes: Please get your paws off Nathan Chen! I wouldn't give drat-worthy NBC the time of day. Oh well, Nathan has to be polite to them in public. What is this though with the need to rub, touch and grab on Nathan? :drama: He needed the hug after the sp performance, not after the fp you hype machine NBC!!! Let Nathan breathe and get out of his face with all the hindsight blather.

I know Yuzu is sportsmanlike and all, but even he was doing some OTT hugging and rubbing on Nathan when it was all over. Probably Yuzu was saying, "You can take over now Nathan. You're the man," and thinking: "Thank you for flopping in the sp so the judges could slot you in 17th place, and I didn't have to look over my shoulder. Finally, I've got my second gold medal, I'm no longer your Nemesis."

BTW, Nathan landed six quads. The sport counts a fully rotated quad even with a fall, so why does everyone think he didn't accomplish 6 quads? It wasn't called under-rotated, so it's 6 quads, with one not cleanly landed so it got negative GOE, but still some important points.
 
If only he hadnt buried himself so much in SP he would be OLY CHAMP!!!!

A simplistic observation. Actually, it was the judges who buried Nathan in the sp after his failures. Of course, I don't have a huge argument with the 17th position since a lot of guys skated very well in the sp. But the truth is, Nathan could have landed anywhere lower or higher -- it was purely the discretion of the judges. The key problem was Nathan not landing a combination jumping pass in the sp. But the other truth is that judges know how talented Nathan is, and that he's a quality skater, so they could have had him slightly higher. Plenty of other guys are coddled with mistakes and kept in the running (not as bad mistakes, sure). In any case, ISU judges had the podium they wanted after the sp, and I didn't see much of anything changing. After Nathan's fp and crunching the numbers, I figured Nathan had a chance for 5th or 6th, maybe 4th. But the podium was out of the question without some real tank-worthy skates by the top guys, which wasn't going to happen.

The judges could have given Nathan 4th over Jin. Nathan is a better skater than Jin, but Jin overall skated well in both programs so I have no argument. However when the numbers are less than a point apart, I see some massaging. They had Nathan where they wanted him in the end. But it was too hard to keep him from actually winning the fp. :COP:

I saw this on Youtube: a NYTimes video on Nathan and the mechanics of jumping and spinning four times in the air, including graphics and soundbites by Nathan, Johnny Weir, Gale Tanger ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jziRzx_rejw
Nathan: "It's like a moment of zen when I'm doing my program."
 
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The judges could have given Nathan 4th over Jin. Nathan is a better skater than Jin, but Jin overall skated well in both programs so I have no argument. However when the numbers are less than a point apart, I see some massaging. They had Nathan where they wanted him in the end. But it was too hard to keep him from actually winning the fp. :COP:

Despite the disastrous SP, if Nathan had managed to land the 2nd 4F clean (hands down) like the 1st one, he would've finished 4th. There were only 0.4 points in the end separating Boyang and Nathan. He lost about 4 points on that.
 
I found a Russian link to Nathan's LP - https://rutube.ru/video/14c42d534a71f80612a9b7b706b7548d/

The Russian feed is interesting because of their conversation / body language between him and Raf in the KC. The Russian feed picks up their conversation that I didn't see on NBC or anywhere else. Nathan has an almost 'leave me alone' attitude while Raf was talking to him. Could be exhaustion.
 
I'm sure he was mentally exhausted and just didn't want to talk at the moment. All the hype and pressure leading up to a complete skating meltdown he just wasn't happy or in any mood which is totally understandable. He handled himself in a mature way from what I can see.

Besides Nathan isn't like Ashley, he won't provoke Rafael to make a comment or rise to any bait Rafael sets up. So he keeps his mouth shut, which is wise.

And if he did talk it would have simply led to nothing but more fodder for the press to jump on. And considering how reserved he seems that's the last thing he wants. He doesn't court the press or thrive on the attention like Ashley or Adam do
 
He definitely didn't want to talk to Raf after the short program but after his long program I could tell that Nathan needed a hug and Raf was there for him. Nathan was even patting Raf as if saying "it's ok daddy, don't cry, I did it" :) As for the K&C moment I see it as Raf wanting to re-assure that things are OK - like him saying something then nodding his head then turning back waiting for the scores.
Raf is always more excited than Nathan in the K&C area - remember CoR, Raf had his arm around Nathan and shook him (like crazy) while saying "we won, we won" - just a Raf moment with Nathan.
 
Latest TSL recap with Canadian Doug Haw, an active coach who's been around for years and has assisted Brian Orser (Haw is a fountain of knowledge, mostly surrounding technique). But the stuff Lease brings out about the interference from Nathan's mother :eek: That must be why Raf's cryptic comment to Hersh: "It's complicated." I agree with Lease that Raf really cares about Nathan. It would be an absolute shame should Nathan's family pressure him to leave Raf. I can imagine now that it was Nathan's family who advised him not to speak with Brian Boitano. :drama:

I totally disagree with Lease's suggestion that Nathan should go to Orser. Lease is always suggesting that everyone go to Orser. But Orser is only going to accept so many skaters, and I doubt Nathan will be on of them. I would think that USFS prefers Nathan stay with Raf. But I think Nathan's Mom needs to stand down and trust the coach.

This is a very enlightening broadcast, especially regarding jump technique of all the top men. Haw also speaks very highly of Adam, and revealingly about why Vincent is having trouble with the under-rotations. It's worth listening to more than once:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NndStY5Rw
 
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Latest TSL recap with Canadian Doug Haw, an active coach who's been around for years and has assisted Brian Orser (Haw is a fountain of knowledge, mostly surrounding technique). But the stuff Lease brings out about the interference from Nathan's mother :eek: That must be why Raf's cryptic comment to Hersh: "It's complicated." I agree with Lease that Raf really cares about Nathan. It would be an absolute shame should Nathan's family pressure him to leave Raf. I can imagine now that it was Nathan's family who advised him not to speak with Brian Boitano. :drama:

I totally disagree with Lease's suggestion that Nathan should go to Orser. Lease is always suggesting that everyone go to Orser. But Orser is only going to accept so many skaters, and I doubt Nathan will be on of them. I would think that USFS prefers Nathan stay with Raf. But I think Nathan's Mom needs to stand down and trust the coach.
I think you might be a bit presumptuous. I listened to this episode and when David Lease brought up whatever he did about Nathan's mother it did not sound like it was anything more than fan speculation. There's no proof or even evidence that Nathan's mom has been too involved in his coaching situation at all and I get the sense TSL likes to create drama even if there's none.
 
I'm just so proud of how Nathan handled himself after the competition! All of those reporters asking him about the worse night of his live over and over again and he handled himself with aplomb!
 
Nathan is only 18 or 19, at the most. He has plenty of time to pull this thing off later - perhaps at the next Oympics, in four years. He will be only what 22 or 23 at the time. He has been devoting full-time effort to working on his physical skills. That has brought him to where he is. His age, 18-19, however, does not leave him with much time to work on mental strength and attitude - that comes later. I have a gut feeling that some of the eastern countries, esp the Asian countries, provide their athletes with training in these finer arts of self-mind mastery. It is part of their culture, in fact, and I believe it is reflected in the performance of the two Japanese skaters who took the gold and silver respectively. There is no question in my mind that these athletes had formal training in this area. It is a long tradition in that part of the world.

Now, what surprises me is that the US training coaches do not incorporate this sort of training into their athletes, just the way they train them in ballet and other disciplines which, over the long run, will boost their success. Besides working on the physical aspects of the sport, there is a great need to set aside training time for them to attend sessions where they can boost the self-mastery of their mind. There exist experts which train persons in this sort of stuff just the way there are experts who train persons in skating and ballet and whatever. It takes training to achieve the sort of mental state wherein a person does not become flustered and nervous. My guess is that the Japanese skaters had just that sort of training. Nathan now needs that benefit, as well. With it, he would be like an unstoppable diesel locomotive barrelling down the track. Without it, well, hazards can occur, as we did witness.....and hazards will continue to occur unless that area of performance success is addressed. It was heartbreaking to witness Nathan's plight but it was NOT surprising, given his age and the fact that he has not had much experience in ego control and mental skills mastery. Without the right training in this area, something like the Olympics can get away from you.

BTW, as much as I was rooting for Chen, I must tell you I was absolutely blown away by the top Japanese skater. Watching him skate was mesmerizing. I must admit, come the FS, I was rooting for him to win.....and the little guy who was following in his footsteps - That one was mind-boggling as well. I forget their names but not their performance. On that day, I was very happy and pleased for Japan.
 
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Nathan has been attending a few pro games lately - here's a photo of him at the Los Angeles Lakers NBA home game last night: https://www.instagram.com/p/BgaOm8zATsS/

Here are two recent photos taken at an Anaheim Ducks NHL hockey game where Nathan, Michal Brezina, Romain Ponsart and Mariah Bell (all Milan-bound) were among the guests of honor -- the first photo linked below includes all of them plus Rafael Arutunian & Nadia Kanaeva; the other 2018 U.S. Olympians recognized on the ice are bobsledders Lauren Gibbs (in the middle) and Carlo Valdes (behind Bell), and snowboarder Lindsey Jacobellis (far right).

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgA3TEdHQ3B/?taken-by=mick_brezina

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgAevaugSlJ/?taken-by=romainponsart
 
Cool pics @Sylvia. Thanks for sharing!

Is Brezina planning to retire or go for another season? Is Brezina signed for any ice shows after Worlds? I'm happy for Brezina that he's seemingly enjoyed his time training with Raf, and he was able to noticeably improve his skating. :)

Good luck to Nathan and to Team Raf at Worlds! :cheer2:
 
Cool pics @Sylvia. Thanks for sharing!

Is Brezina planning to retire or go for another season? Is Brezina signed for any ice shows after Worlds? I'm happy for Brezina that he's seemingly enjoyed his time training with Raf, and he was able to noticeably improve his skating. :)

Good luck to Nathan and to Team Raf at Worlds! :cheer2:

Brezina and Bychenko will retire at the end of the season. That is what was stated on NBC during the Olympics
 
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