The Skating Lesson

The snark about Crying in a Bathroom was one of the highlights of FSU in 2017 IMO, possibly the posts that made me laugh the hardest.

While I personally would never watch TSL nor comment on it (critically, not otherwise) here in a way that risks taking it seriously, the existence of this thread has already proved its worth for me. If that winds up getting five more people to watch TSL or become fans, great. I'd love to see it become famous enough to get more mainstream scrutiny and mockery!
 
Jozet said:
Deadspin article about Dave Lease and TSL
https://deadspin.com/the-most-controversial-voice-in-figure-skating-cant-sto-1822879133
https://deadspin.com/the-most-controversial-voice-in-figure-skating-cant-sto-1822879133
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It's not like Dave is special for knowing about Michelle warming up a 3sal/3loop, or knowing the last 12 years of medalists. :shuffle:

Cleo1782 said:
Sometimes Dave does speak the truth. I can vouch for the pair skater yelling at him at the bar about her music. I saw it and was like:scream:. Although people were just quieting her down, no one 'dragged' her out.
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I figured that story was somewhat exaggerated. I think Dave thrives on drama like that. I've seen him come in the bar at a competition and no one really acknowledged him so he stomped out 5 minutes later.
 
meggonzo said:
It's not like Dave is special for knowing about Michelle warming up a 3sal/3loop, or knowing the last 12 years of medalists. :shuffle:



I figured that story was somewhat exaggerated. I think Dave thrives on drama like that. I've seen him come in the bar at a competition and no one really acknowledged him so he stomped out 5 minutes later.
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Was this one of those bars for homosexuals? When I was serving in the navy, we were in New York City for fleet week and my friend and I walked past a place called The Cockpit! We were wearing our white uniforms and your milk would of curdled at some of the things those guys said to us!

Luckily they do not have those bars in the part of New Mexico where my wife and I live.
 
meggonzo said:
It's not like Dave is special for knowing about Michelle warming up a 3sal/3loop, or knowing the last 12 years of medalists. :shuffle:



I figured that story was somewhat exaggerated. I think Dave thrives on drama like that. I've seen him come in the bar at a competition and no one really acknowledged him so he stomped out 5 minutes later.
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Perhaps. The 'incident' he is referencing happen at Nationals 2 years ago at the last night after all the skating was done. I don't recall who he was with at the bar, but he was at first talking to the skater and it must have got heated or he said something snide and the situation escalated. It was a pretty small, intimate bar, so it was obvious when it became a disagreement because you could hear it, but I remember it more as the people she was with just basically saying let it go and everyone moved on and went on with their night. I just found it amusing, as someone there, that the story Dave told came a bit different than I remembered. Unless he had the same argument with a different female skater at a different bar at a different event. Who knows lol! I am surprised he refrained from naming the skater by name.
 
StasiyaGalustyanLove said:
Was this one of those bars for homosexuals? When I was serving in the navy, we were in New York City for fleet week and my friend and I walked past a place called The Cockpit! We were wearing our white uniforms and your milk would of curdled at some of the things those guys said to us!

Luckily they do not have those bars in the part of New Mexico where my wife and I live.
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Umm... is this a serious question? No it was a bar where all people are allowed to drink and/or hang out at. They let both heterosexuals and homosexuals in. It's was an amazingly progressive bar in a hotel in St. Paul MN.
Glad you and your wife don't have to deal with those crazy homosexuals.............
 
Well you guys, I’ve met Dave a couple of times before and he’s actually really nice. That doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says or how he says it. In fact, I have hated portions of quite a few shows. But he’s actually not the ogre some people make him out to be.
 
berthesghost said:
oh.. I didn’t realize it ended like that.. :shuffle:
about as serious as an Ivanna Komova article I think
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I didn't get the joking part of that post, lol. :p;)
Regardless, there is no love lost on either sides between Jenny and Dave. They aren't friends and do not speak.

ETA: I have met Dave several times as well. He's pretty funny and has quick wit. I certainly don't think he is an awful person, but TSL really brings out an bad side of him and I definitely think he is hungry to be 'cool' in skating with 'knowing' everyone and name dropping. I think I have mentioned Jonathan Beyer is very nice and very handsome in person as well.
 
I enjoyed the recap of the Team event. I honestly do not get the uproar. Or how TARA and Johnny are so mean. Compared to a lot of other sports (or, I don't know, the actual news?) I shrug. Not every video is a masterpiece, but whatever.

Jonathan is cute but he needs to go. The other one is completely useless. A prominent skater would probably help. Maybe a rotation of skaters, like Kimmie. If Meagan actually does that pairs recap, I will eat it up.
 
Cleo1782 said:
Umm... is this a serious question? No it was a bar where all people are allowed to drink and/or hang out at. They let both heterosexuals and homosexuals in. It's was an amazingly progressive bar in a hotel in St. Paul MN.
Glad you and your wife don't have to deal with those crazy homosexuals.............
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Regardless of the joke, you do know that anyone can go to "gay" bars too, right? Also, I'm not sure what an "amazingly progressive bar" is, but the St. Paul Hotel would not be the first thing to come to mind. :rofl:
 
meggonzo said:
Regardless of the joke, you do know that anyone can go to "gay" bars too, right? Also, I'm not sure what an "amazingly progressive bar" is, but the St. Paul Hotel would not be the first thing to come to mind. :rofl:
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Lol! I was joking. Of course a hotel bar in St. Paul is not progressive. I was being sarcastic. I don't think I have been to a bar in the world that cared about sexual orientation. They only cared if you were paying your tab. I was replying to that ridiculous previous post. ;) Sorry, I thought that was obvious.
 
meggonzo said:
Nope, not obvious since you didn't realize the other poster was not serious!
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Okay:shuffle:. Clearly you are much more intelligent than me to get that previous posters humor and not mine. I really can't tell with that posters previous posts. You don't have to be rude.
Moving on I think this thread is about TSL..........:rolleyes:
 
Cleo1782 said:
I didn't get the joking part of that post, lol. :p;)
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Cleo1782 said:
Okay:shuffle:. Clearly you are much more intelligent than me to get that previous posters humor and not mine. I really can't tell with that posters previous posts. You don't have to be rude.
Moving on I think this thread is about TSL..........:rolleyes:
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Um, you said above you did not get the joking part. So someone re-stating what you said is now rude? :confused:
:rolleyes: indeed
 
@Tavi People can be both nice and nasty. I've heard this about a lot of reality TV stars and experienced this with many a coworker/classmate. The latter is nice to you when you're there and then nasty when you're not; the former (Dave's camp) is nice and normal unless there's an opportunity to get attention, $$$, or to show off how smart they think they are.
 
Willin said:
@Tavi People can be both nice and nasty. I've heard this about a lot of reality TV stars and experienced this with many a coworker/classmate. The latter is nice to you when you're there and then nasty when you're not; the former (Dave's camp) is nice and normal unless there's an opportunity to get attention, $$$, or to show off how smart they think they are.
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Makes sense!
 
DimaToe said:
So whether he’s right or wrong. Dave and CO. Let their PERSONAL opinions be public. TSL is far from the meanest/evilest/rudest/whatever else is bad, to be around in figure skating, yet FSU loves to label it as a low level, uninformed, and bad platform when FSU and I’m pretty sure those more deeply involved in skating say or do things a 100x worst, the only difference being that more people get to know or seem to take notice of what TSL says. The fact that this thread is 700+ pages should be enough proof of FSU just being haters :p U.S. audiences are more drawn to skating because of personalities like Dave Lease or Adam Rippon these days rather than Bradie landing clean triples or U.S. ice dance being ridiculously deep. That’s just the reality of it.
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99% of US audiences don't know who Dave Lease is. BTW, I noticed he didn't have any praise for Nathan's long program. I guess it blows his criticism of Rafael's coaching and his demand--oops, I mean opinion--that Nathan needs to move to Orser.
 
DimaToe said:
The fact that this thread is 700+ pages should be enough proof of FSU just being haters :p U.S. audiences are more drawn to skating because of personalities like Dave Lease
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Eh, TSL's honest zingers are not the problem. In fact, someone does need to speak truth to TPTB. There's room for TSL commentary in the skating world, but Lease doesn't seem to be able to stop making it so much about himself. It's the unedited, random, unfocused blathering, name-dropping, unprofessionalism and ego-driven OTT snark, whether or not it's intentionally mean-spirited. There are all kinds of opinions on FSU. The difference with Lease is that he's set up a public podcast and due to his association with Jenny he'd previously been accepted by a lot of people in skating. There are still people who respect Lease's knowledge and his passion for the sport. The problem is he has pissed off a number of people in skating with both his behind-the-scenes and on-air behavior. That doesn't mean TSL and Lease don't have something to offer. He just needs to become more self-aware, get a manager, an editor, and a baby-sitter, and clean-up his act big time. Or, I guess there are alternatives of one sort or another. ;)

FSU 'haters' with huge egos post on a public forum, yes. The difference is that most FSU 'haters' are not asking to be liked by the skating community, nor looking for interviews with skaters and coaches, nor name-dropping and snarking on their sources, nor losing the co-host who gained them entree in the first place.
 
giselle23 said:
99% of US audiences don't know who Dave Lease is. BTW, I noticed he didn't have any praise for Nathan's long program. I guess it blows his criticism of Rafael's coaching and his demand--oops, I mean opinion--that Nathan needs to move to Orser.
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with TSL.

But, assuming Brian Orser and Tracy Wilson are a very good fit for Nathan, what would be the dynamic be like with two of your biggest rivals there each day with you at training?

I think Caryn Kadavy addressed that when she took from Carlo Fassi, and had to deal with Jill Trenary's intensity non - stop.
 
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aftershocks said:
Eh, TSL's honest zingers are not the problem. In fact, someone does need to speak truth to TPTB. There's room for TSL commentary in the skating world, but Lease doesn't seem to be able to stop making it so much about himself. It's the unedited, random, unfocused blathering, name-dropping, unprofessionalism and ego-driven OTT snark, whether or not it's intentionally mean-spirited. There are all kinds of opinions on FSU. The difference with Lease is that he's set up a public podcast and due to his association with Jenny he'd previously been accepted by a lot of people in skating. There are still people who respect Lease's knowledge and his passion for the sport. The problem is he has pissed off a number of people in skating with both his behind-the-scenes and on-air behavior. That doesn't mean TSL and Lease don't have something to offer. He just needs to become more self-aware, get a manager, an editor, and a baby-sitter, and clean-up his act big time. Or, I guess there are alternatives of one sort or another. ;)

FSU 'haters' with huge egos post on a public forum, yes. The difference is that most FSU 'haters' are not asking to be liked by the skating community, nor looking for interviews with skaters and coaches, nor name-dropping and snarking on their sources, nor losing the co-host who gained them entree in the first place.
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Lease, when Christine Brennan was a recent guest, seemed more professional and focussed.

Having lost sponsorship in the last year, however, I think it is too late for TSL to be anything more than it is now.
 
Cleo1782 said:
Tbh, I don't think the reporter was overly praising him at all. I think she made him seem insecure and snarky. Some people like him some don't.
Sometimes Dave does speak the truth. I can vouch for the pair skater yelling at him at the bar about her music. I saw it and was like:scream:. Although people were just quieting her down, no one 'dragged' her out.
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The skater was definitely drunk and was taken out of the bar by members of their team, not forcibly but it was becoming a scene. This was after the Nationals gala. If I remember correctly this skater asked him several times what he didn't like about the program. He gave an honest answer and said it was the music edit. Skater got pissed but I think a lot of it was the alcohol talking. Skater also did change the music edit and won a medal at 4CC the following month...
 
MK's Winter said:
The skater was definitely drunk and was taken out of the bar by members of their team, not forcibly but it was becoming a scene. This was after the Nationals gala. If I remember correctly this skater asked him several times what he didn't like about the program. He gave an honest answer and said it was the music edit. Skater got pissed but I think a lot of it was the alcohol talking. Skater also did change the music edit and won a medal at 4CC the following month...
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I am sure alcohol played a factor. Although it was a bar and many people including skaters were drinking. It was after the gala and no one had to skate the next day. I didn't think it was that big of a scene. Oh well, I guess it's obvious who it is now and I, for one, do not believe changing the music cut helped win a medal at 4cc's, more so just skating better than at Nationals.
 
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